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Who is the worst Star Wars character?
- Thread starter Brera
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Aside from the mere fact that Poe sending Finn and Rose away on this mission behind Holdo's back is a major factor in his arc, there's nothing really about what happens on Canto Bight that has anything to do with Poe. That could've been an off-screen mission with unnamed soldiers, and it wouldn't do anything to Poe's arc.
Good old Hayden Skywalker
I know a lotta people mention Lucas's directing when defending him.
George's limp direction couldn't have helped, but sometimes good actors can overcome adversity on a shoot and turn in a good (or at least interesting) performance.
Hayden did not have that in him. His interpretation just flat out sucks, and it's sad to be now forced to picture his passionless spirit inside the Vader suit.
You clearly didn't read the whole piece, because this is the exact opposite of what she's saying.
That paragraph basically says I don't think you're an evil misogynist but I do think you're sexist.
You just rewatched the PT right?
I don't think people get how bad it is with The Walking Minstrel Show(I actually don't want to say his name bc this is a better description)
Like FUCK
Yes.
I don't think people understand that he's a main character in the film with a fuckton of screentime.
He legitimately ruins the film. It'd be a little different if he were in a scene here and there as a gag, but he's a main. Fucking. Character. in EP1
Walking down the street? Step in poop. Indoors, talking? Grab food with tongue, trip over something, break something, mess something up.
Fighting in a war? Accidentally (and successfully) attack enemies while tripping over yourself. Repeat several times.
DJ betraying Finn and Rose have a bigger implication on Poe's storyline than you think considering that info lead to the entire resistance army being obliterated on the transports. This reflects on Poe making stupid decisions, as you said behind Holdo's back, in order to play a hero and in Holdo's words, 'risked two of her agents' in order to achieve that. Poe seeing the entire Resistance army obliterated was a major turning point into him being a competent leader.
Obi-Wan Kenobi:
- Trained Darth Vader
- Played a major part in the creation of the Stormtroopers
-Lived right by Luke Skywalker for 19 years but didn't bother helping him until the absolute last possible moment
-Led Luke and Han into the biggest military base in the galaxy and then intentionally let himself get killed and stranded them there
-Died on purpose so that he could be "more powerful than you could ever imagine" and then did almost nothing for the next two movies
-Lied to Luke about who his Dad was and waited until the worst possible moment for him to find out when he could have told him at any time, including when Luke was right about to leave and have a lightsaber fight with him
-Had the nerve to stand next to Anakin, who he knew slaughtered children, at the ending party
- Trained Darth Vader
- Played a major part in the creation of the Stormtroopers
-Lived right by Luke Skywalker for 19 years but didn't bother helping him until the absolute last possible moment
-Led Luke and Han into the biggest military base in the galaxy and then intentionally let himself get killed and stranded them there
-Died on purpose so that he could be "more powerful than you could ever imagine" and then did almost nothing for the next two movies
-Lied to Luke about who his Dad was and waited until the worst possible moment for him to find out when he could have told him at any time, including when Luke was right about to leave and have a lightsaber fight with him
-Had the nerve to stand next to Anakin, who he knew slaughtered children, at the ending party
meanwhile rose says one or two kinda cringey lines, and she's apparently in the same league
idk
He's also in 2. And the clone wars series.
Rose isn't even in the same league.
No I like her precisely for the same reasons. Not like, loved. It is a good companion to the tones of Rogue One.
Im sure its Jar Jar but I refuse to watch that movie again so I cant remember.
For now its Rose.
For now its Rose.
That crappy CG moment when BB8 and her are riding the headless AT-ST and she shouts "need a ride?" all jolly to Finn, as Snoke's ship falls apart.
Get that Disney animated crap out of my Star Wars.
I didn't even dislike Rose. That movie had a lot of problems, and Rose's scenes are sure some of them, but picking *her* out as the problem with the film (let alone all of them) is ridiculous.
Anyone that doesn't say Jar Jar wasn't there during all the episode 1 prerelease hype. You know, the waiting outside of the theater in a tent for a month stuff. Following the original trilogy, which was family-oriented but still covered some fairly heavy and dark events, Jar Jar felt like they were turning the franchise into one for preschoolers. That was a rough burn. Every scene that *thing* is in hurts to watch. I can't bear to fire that movie up anymore; I'll watch Attack of the Clones over it any day.
Anyone that doesn't say Jar Jar wasn't there during all the episode 1 prerelease hype. You know, the waiting outside of the theater in a tent for a month stuff. Following the original trilogy, which was family-oriented but still covered some fairly heavy and dark events, Jar Jar felt like they were turning the franchise into one for preschoolers. That was a rough burn. Every scene that *thing* is in hurts to watch. I can't bear to fire that movie up anymore; I'll watch Attack of the Clones over it any day.
Wow I just read through more of this thread and there are lots of people saying they think
Rose is worse than Jar Jar Binks
Holy shit, that is some next level mental gymnastics
Either that or you brain zapped yourself with the thing from Men In Black and forgot all of the PT
Rose is worse than Jar Jar Binks
Holy shit, that is some next level mental gymnastics
Either that or you brain zapped yourself with the thing from Men In Black and forgot all of the PT
She's not that bad at all. Some stupid lines, which Fin is also guilty of (chrome dome is the single worse line of dialogue I've heard this year in a film), but she was decent. Poe on the other hand is a complete imbecile. I liked his character a lot in TFA, and I hated his guts in TLJ.
Jar Jar and Rose are in no way comparable.
Jar Jar is up there with Skidz and Mudflap from Revenge of the Fallen in terms of awful stereotype characters while Rose is just somebody who tagged along with Finn and said some terrible lines.
Jar Jar is up there with Skidz and Mudflap from Revenge of the Fallen in terms of awful stereotype characters while Rose is just somebody who tagged along with Finn and said some terrible lines.
It's not his interpretation. Lucas literally says that Hayden is portraying him how he wants to and it's just that fans don't like the character.
Almost everything you think Anakin is in the PT is what Lucas wants you to think of Anakin.
Lucas even related that Hayden complained about playing someone so whiny and that he wants to play Darth Vader but Lucas responded well you're not going to play who you thought. That's the character. He's a petulant teen.
Phasma cause she doesn't even fucking do anything and they treat her like she's Finn's arch nemesis or something.
I know you said he doesn't count but honestly Boba Fett is the worst for me.
I don't understand why people like him aside from his armor (Which I suppose IS the reason why). He honestly sucks. He jobs to a blind Han Solo. The fascination with him in the old EU was baffling.
I don't understand how someone can say Rose though, I honestly kinda liked her. Maybe some terrible lines but her character at least seemed like she had real heart and I appreciated that considering the theme of the film.
I don't understand why people like him aside from his armor (Which I suppose IS the reason why). He honestly sucks. He jobs to a blind Han Solo. The fascination with him in the old EU was baffling.
I don't understand how someone can say Rose though, I honestly kinda liked her. Maybe some terrible lines but her character at least seemed like she had real heart and I appreciated that considering the theme of the film.
Jar Jar for now, he was really bad in TPM and sorta became meh in the final two prequels. That CGI singing monstrosity Lucas added was pretty bad too. Rose could top tier worst character depending on what she does in Episode 9, her arc in 8 was pretty awful but as a character we really didn't get to know her at all (which is part of the problem), she could get redeemed in 9, get shoved off to the sidelines ala Jar Jar, or just drag down her moments on screen with more odd pronouncements on how love wins over evil.
Rose is fine, y'all crazy. Poe is the worst character in TLJ, but in terms of the overall franchise I'd have to go with either Anakin or Jar-Jar. The former is, through no fault of their own, led through a ludicrous series of poor decisions and bizarre judgement calls into a painfully manufactured fall from grace scenario, and the latter is... Jar Jar. The worst, most intrusive slapstick character possibly ever, and filled to brim with diet racist shite.
Boba shows up in TCW and he's pretty cool and he's on a lot Legends EU stuff that's fun.
Boba was also originally going to kill Mace in the PT too during the Jedi Massacre.
And when he was writing the PT, he seriously almost turned Boba Fett into Anakin's stepbrother.....which would've been interesting.
No one with a straight face can watch EP1 in 2018 and say Rose is a worse character than Jar Jar Binks.
Mods, please ban me, I don't feel comfortable posting on a forum where a significant number of idiots think Rose is a worse character than Jar Jar Binks (or Anakin or Padme) and feel strongly about it enough to say so.
For fuck's sake. Anyone saying Rose is worse than objectively awful shit like Jar Jar and Watto immediately loses credibility.
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Difference is, Lucas was a fucking lunatic, surrounded by yes men and calling all the shots. Or thats the impression I have. So its like, of course Jar Jar Binks would exist.
These movies are being made by sane people who tell each other when something sucks, I would hope. So, nothing against the actress, but her characters writing and sugary sweet naive persona was completely jarring and off putting.
Well, yeah, bad writing + bad actor isn't gonna make a convincing character. I've been watching The Clone Wars series, and Anakin is so much better there - he actually feels like a competent and serious Jedi, while still having his character flaws from the movies, but the character is much more likeable than Hayden's interpretation. I just can't take him seriously in the movies.
I actually don't like Rose that have nothing to do with the acting but because I don't like the archetype that she was based on and a couple of groan-worthy lines.
Also the forced romance made me feel uncomfortable.
As my friend said, "I assumed Rose was a love interest so Finn wouldn't be paired up with Rey."
Also the forced romance made me feel uncomfortable.
As my friend said, "I assumed Rose was a love interest so Finn wouldn't be paired up with Rey."
The context of how each character was created is meaningless. Jar Jar is obviously a worse SW character than Rose, as evidenced in the movies themselves.
I actually like her.
But "I dislike Rose" is different than "she's worse than Jar Jar Binks"
Its just my opinion on fictional characters in a made up universe. Dont take it too seriously
Generally speaking, in most franchises there would probably be some healthy room for debate.
In this specific example, the carnival of offensive racist stereotypes in the prequel trilogy exist. Jar Jar, Watto, and the Trade Federation are pretty much by default the answers you can pick from, because they rather specifically embody derogatory stereotypes about entire groups of people.
By comparison, Rose having a few cringey lines and being part of a subplot that may or may not have been executed super well doesn't even register on the scale.
Shout out to people who say Obi-Wan (and a couple others) for in-universe reasons about all the damage their actions ultimately caused though, it's not technically the version of the question I think is being asked but it's a good and clever answer nonetheless.
In this specific example, the carnival of offensive racist stereotypes in the prequel trilogy exist. Jar Jar, Watto, and the Trade Federation are pretty much by default the answers you can pick from, because they rather specifically embody derogatory stereotypes about entire groups of people.
By comparison, Rose having a few cringey lines and being part of a subplot that may or may not have been executed super well doesn't even register on the scale.
Shout out to people who say Obi-Wan (and a couple others) for in-universe reasons about all the damage their actions ultimately caused though, it's not technically the version of the question I think is being asked but it's a good and clever answer nonetheless.
At least Anakin's character is redeemed in TCW. He's still holds all those simplistic, binary, naive views from the movies, but you actually see his competency in his strategy, piloting, and fighting skills. In regards to war, they make him literally a genius.
Jar Jar still sucks in TCW tho
And I personally loved that. :p
When I first watched the OT as a kid, I imagined that Anakin would have been a power hungry, angsty and angry person. Lucas gave me exactly what I wanted.
Jesus fucking Christ.
That other thread about the worst fan bases was right on point.
To me it isnt. TPM was an awful movie. Jar Jar binks being in it hardly made it worse. It was terrible anyway. It might have gone from a 2 to a 1.
Rose made TLJ a lot worse for me. If you cut every scene she is in. I believe its a better movie. Bad character/ bad writing ? I dunno. Just what I think.