Who did you side with in Captain America: Civil War. Cap or Iron Man

[PhoenixAKG]

The main conflict in Civil War so the Avengers divided into 2 groups one lead by Captain America and the other by Iron Man. Between the two groups who did you side with.

Team Cap:

Team Iron Man:

 

[TheJoebro64]

Neither. I stick with the Justice League.

In all seriousness, from what I remember of the movie (I haven't seen it since it came out), I think I leaned more towards Iron Man's side. The movie did a great job of fairly portraying both sides though, and not over-emphasizing Cap's since it was his movie.

 

[BasilZero]

Team Iron Man had more of the characters I like - SpiderMan, IronMan, Black Panther and Vision


But I went with Team Captain America for what they represented or what they were fighting for.

 

[Ryuelli]

Speaking as a life time scrawny dude who is an Eagle Scout, Captain America for sure.

 

[Betty]

Cap clearly was in the right and I liked how much of an underdog his team were, so Team Cap all the way.

 

[NPVinny]

Yeah, the Captain's ideology is why I picked his side.

 

[The Unsent]

Cap, thought Tony was being a fool and willingly let Zemo use him, when he blamed a brainwashed bucky for killing his parents. I know you don't always act rational when your loved ones are taken away, but he took it too far.

 

[TheGoshDarnBatman]

Cap. In our world, government oversight of some kind makes a lot of sense, in the Marvel universe where aliens attack on the reg, having a no restrictions superhero team is the only chance to save your civilization every few years

 

[DrForester]

As presented in the MCU there's not much to back up Tony's view given what's happened, and that very little of it falls at the feet of any of the team members except himself.


Then there's that Cap's big "crime" in the movie is wanting to bring in a suspect alive rather than murder Buckey on sight, and then conduct a real investigation. And even when proof of his innocence is brought forward, Ross doesn't care and still want's Buckey dead. The accords were rotten from the start.

 

[Solo]

Cap was 100% in the right. I don't see a compelling argument for Tony.

 

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[FullMetalTech]

Team Cap for me. I believed what cap said to Tony made sense about being controlled and then possiblity of the the government holding them back to handle a larger threat.

 

[Terraforce]

Team Iron Man all the way

 

[Bundy]

Team Cap.
Cap clearly was in the right.

 

[Solo]

Tony's stance is borne out of his own guilt but still makes no sense.

 

[Roliq]

As presented in the MCU there's not much to back up Tony's view given what's happened, and that very little of it falls at the feet of any of the team members except himself.

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The only thing that i was surprised during the movie about the Sokovia part is that no one on Tony side (not necessarily the heroes) gave Wanda shit for being part of the reason Ultron managed to get so far including the Hulk rampage, like you would think someone would try to bring it up since it was her "fault" that people died due to Crossbones explosion at the beginning (what led to the creation of the accords)

 

[SneakersSO]

Iron Man's stance made absolutely no sense.

There is absolutely an in-universe argument to be made that super-powered beings need to be held to some form of accountability, somehow. Wandavision actually does a fantastic job of showcasing exactly why that is.

That being said, the incidents that they used to exemplify why they needed bureaucracy was just completely off, especially citing NYC; Civil War conveniently forgets that the decision of the Security Council was to level New York with a nuclear weapon! Tony Stark legit had to save these idiots from themselves, and then a few years later he is siding with the very people he took a nuke into space for and derived PTSD as result of?

Heck, even by then, the governments of Earth, not counting Wakanda, showed that they were completely outmatched when these incidents arose, even with super-powered forces on their side. I would have loved to have seen how the Governments responded when Thanos ship's showed up in NYC - what, was Iron Man supposed to wait to get UN permission before he went and confronted those aliens? And how convenient, the moment they were confronted by another one of these incidents, Stark simply pretended he never even signed those fucking accords in the first place.

 

[Soj]

The one who didn't recruit a child soldier and knowingly try to murder an innocent man repeatedly because he was mad.

 

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[Parthenios]

One of the most interesting dynamics in the MCU is how they set up Civil War--the film and the MCU later largely comes down on the side of Team Tony, but Steve is the protagonist so the story takes a Team Cap slant by default.

 

[Ariakon44]

My biggest problem with the movie is that the writers so blatantly side with Cap's side over Tony's that it was hard for me to empathize with Tony at all. The movie's perspective is entirely with Cap to the detriment of allowing for any nuance into Tony's argument, which could have been reasonable if developed a little better.

Even when it's revealed Cap hid the truth of Tony's parents from him, the story still felt wedged pretty firmly on Cap's side, at least for me.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

I do feel Cap but Bucky killed Tony's Mother so I definitely feel everything Stark was about after finding that out

Civil War is my shit; my favorite of the Cap trilogy, by far

 

[Kevers]

I can honestly see it both ways but Tony was more right. These people need to be held accountable for their actions.


I understand Cap after Winter Soldier but still I side with Tony.

 

[Wrexis]

Team Cap.

In the comics Civil War happens after Thanos, but in the movies it's before.
It would be interesting to see how Civil War would go if it came after Endgame/Infinity War.

 

[HarryDemeanor]

It was difficult for me to side with Tony. Cap was in the right on everything.

 

[The Unsent]

I do feel Cap but Bucky killed Tony's Mother so I definitely feel everything Stark was about after finding that out

Civil War is my shit; my favorite of the Cap trilogy, by far

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Bucky didn't kill Tony's parents, Hyrdra did. Bucky was fucked by all kinds of shit. Tony would have to be a complete dumbass to believe he was the true killer.

 

[office life]

cap all the way, i hate iron mans character in the mcu, way too arrogant and his stance makes no sense like some posters here have said

 

[henhowc]

It's pretty clear who the writers actually wanted you to side with

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Tony's stance is borne out of his own guilt but still makes no sense.

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My biggest problem with the movie is that the writers so blatantly side with Cap's side over Tony's that it was hard for me to empathize with Tony at all. The movie's perspective is entirely with Cap to the detriment of allowing for any nuance into Tony's argument, which could have been reasonable if developed a little better.

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Huh?

Someone kill my moms, I'm blacking out just like Iron Man... the fuck?

and Steve knew the entire time!

Fuck that shit. It's easy to understand Tony's motivation from the accords to Bucky

 

[SneakersSO]

My biggest problem with the movie is that the writers so blatantly side with Cap's side over Tony's that it was hard for me to empathize with Tony at all. The movie's perspective is entirely with Cap to the detriment of allowing for any nuance into Tony's argument, which could have been reasonable if developed a little better.

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I mean, the writers simply didn't even try to give Tony a good reason as to why. Even the logic Vision uses for his stance is a massive misinterpretation of the facts; Given that SHIELD was already using alien technology to create advanced weapons (Avengers 1), weapons that were moments away from being used to oppress free citizens no less in Winter Soldier with the Helicarriers, and that the very same people tried to Nuke New York unnecessarily, you would think that he would be against putting supreme authority in the hands of people who don't have a single clue on what to do when they have it.

 

[Psittacus]

In the context of the real world Tony has a point. In the context of the MCU Cap is 100% in the right, the governments of that world cannot be trusted to deploy superheroes or advanced technology responsibly.

 

[Deleted member 1839]

The movie has Captain America in the title. So that's Cap.

 

[Jotakori]

Team Iron Man had all my favs, but Cap's team was pretty clearly the side that was in the right.

 

[SneakersSO]

In the context of the real world Tony has a point. In the context of the MCU Cap is 100% in the right, the governments of that world cannot be trusted to deploy superheroes responsibly.

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Heck, even in the context of the real world, Tony wouldn't have a point. UN leaders calling on super heroes for conflict resolution? You would have them calling in to quell protests and oppress folks in almost no time. Image Trump last year with access of Authority on being able to deploy super heroes during the summer riots.

 

[Frankie Williamson]

Bucky was a one man killing machine that a phrase could turn on. He NEEDED to be brought in. Cap was being an obstinate dickhead about it.

 

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[DrForester]

Bucky was a one man killing machine that a phrase could turn on. He NEEDED to be brought in. Cap was being an obstinate dickhead about it.

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Cap wanted to bring him in. Tony and Ross wanted him executed on sight.

 

[Halbrand]

Iron Man, he was right about the Accords and Wanda should be kept in an underwater jail. Plus Bucky killed Tony's mom.

 

[Deleted member 51608]

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[True Underdog]

Team Iron Man in theory.

Team Cap in practice/how the story was written.

 

[TheMadTitan]

Bucky was a one man killing machine that a phrase could turn on. He NEEDED to be brought in. Cap was being an obstinate dickhead about it.

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But that's also shit the Avengers could've fixed given Wanda has telepathy.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Bucky didn't kill Tony's parents, Hyrdra did. Bucky was fucked by all kinds of shit. Tony would have to be a complete dumbass to believe he was the true killer.

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Yeah, we get it. Yet, Tony Stark is a very flawed human being. You kill his mother... he'll want to kill you


And don't forget the fact that Steve knew about it and kept the truth from Tony

 

[rjinaz]

team cap

Sure, ideally the government wouldn't have shit stains like General Ross leading it and the Avengers could work within it.

But that wasn't the reality.

 

[Deleted member 19782]

Both sides have good and bad things to them. So both in a way, like Black Widow.

 

[Deleted member 721]

tony stark is a hypocrite deuche

 

[Siggy-P]

The film obviously sides with Tony.

In real life only a lunatic would side with Cap or anyone who thinks like him, but the films take place in a fantasy world with conspiracies and secret nazi orders ruling governments so things are different.

Now when you think about it this kind of makes the films message worthless and it cant be applied to real life but eh.

 

[Callibretto]

Iron Man's stance made absolutely no sense.

There is absolutely an in-universe argument to be made that super-powered beings need to be held to some form of accountability, somehow. Wandavision actually does a fantastic job of showcasing exactly why that is.

That being said, the incidents that they used to exemplify why they needed bureaucracy was just completely off, especially citing NYC; Civil War conveniently forgets that the decision of the Security Council was to level New York with a nuclear weapon! Tony Stark legit had to save these idiots from themselves, and then a few years later he is siding with the very people he took a nuke into space for and derived PTSD as result of?

Heck, even by then, the governments of Earth, not counting Wakanda, showed that they were completely outmatched when these incidents arose, even with super-powered forces on their side. I would have loved to have seen how the Governments responded when Thanos ship's showed up in NYC - what, was Iron Man supposed to wait to get UN permission before he went and confronted those aliens? And how convenient, the moment they were confronted by another one of these incidents, Stark simply pretended he never even signed those fucking accords in the first place.

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I think part of Stark's perspective (and Black Widow too) is to sign the damn accords now and keep the team together. if something happened in the future that government forbid the Avengers from taking action like Cap feared. they can just ignore the accords later, just like what Stark continuously keep doing, first he join Cap in the second half of the movie. then at the ending he ignore Ross calling him about Cap breaking prison, and in Infinity War where he instantly go after the Alien without government approval.

 

[Officer Big Mac]

WandaVision proved Tony right

 

[Khanimus]

Within the fiction of the movie universe, Cap. Ideologically, Tony.

 

[Coleslaw]

Realistically, I would go with Iron Man - these people would need to be controlled.

But as it is presented in the MCU, both the specific circumstances of this conflict and, as another poster noted, the larger context of the MCU world, I'd say Cap is at least more right (I think he could still negotiate for more independence than the initial proposal they were given provided for, but back and forth treaty negotiations probably wouldn't be a good fit for the MCU, so I understand why they short-handed it).

I'll still vote for Iron Man - even when I was watching it in theaters, I felt uneasy about the fact that I was pulled so strongly to Cap's side.