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When you watched Return of the Jedi, did you think the Emperor had been defeated at the end?
- Thread starter jett
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I find it's easier to enjoy Star Wars if I turn the thinking part of my brain off when watching.
But yes it is stupid that it's the same rebels vs empire v.2.0 and the OT didn't actually solve anything.
But yes it is stupid that it's the same rebels vs empire v.2.0 and the OT didn't actually solve anything.
Snoke was a garbage villain anyway and a bad Palpatine ripoff. The decision to kill off Snoke was a good one by itself. The problem is the follow through.
How about, the villain saying on the nose dialogue involving a message they are trying to hammer? I dunno, I found yalls back and forth interesting so I wanted to join in on the bullshitery.
I think he is back mainly for two reasons:
1. Bendemption
2. The Rey/Kylo team-up in TLJ was the best thing about that movie and they needed a way to make that happen again at some point in this movie. Enter Darth Sidious.
Having said this, the books and videogames have all pointed to Sidious having a contingency plan in the event of his death so if you follow that stuff his return is not that out of left field.
1. Bendemption
2. The Rey/Kylo team-up in TLJ was the best thing about that movie and they needed a way to make that happen again at some point in this movie. Enter Darth Sidious.
Having said this, the books and videogames have all pointed to Sidious having a contingency plan in the event of his death so if you follow that stuff his return is not that out of left field.
The OT led to 30 years of peace. That's quite literally more than can be said about real life and we're talking about a galaxy instead of a planet.
If you think TLJ's message is that we should let the past die then you didn't understand the movie. Also, it's SW, on the nose dialogue regarding the themes is par for the course, as it's supposed to be easily understood by children.
When I thought there would never be a sequel, yes.
As soon as Disney got Star Wars, no.
Palpatine is the Ganondorf of Star Wars, which is itself pulpy sci-fi, so I don't understand the problem with that.
As soon as Disney got Star Wars, no.
Palpatine is the Ganondorf of Star Wars, which is itself pulpy sci-fi, so I don't understand the problem with that.
Trying to imagine it in my head.
It's both awful and hilarious.
After the stupidity of bringing back Maul after he was cut and half and fell down a hole in two pieces it's obvious that anyone we don't witness die on screen is fair game to bring back no matter how lame it is. Falling down a hole in the Star Wars universe is essentially just putting a character in their back pocket in case they run out of new ideas.
Meme magic is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
Well, in the old EU, Palpatine had Bevel Lemelisk tortured to death several times, transferring his consciousness to a different body. By the time the Rebel Alliance caught Lemelisk, by his own admission he was ready to finally die, as long as it was final this time.
Given that I don't think it's a huge jump to doing the same to himself, but I don't care either way, so meh.
Given that I don't think it's a huge jump to doing the same to himself, but I don't care either way, so meh.
It was screwed from the start. The reset of the universe to OT stakes was the mistake. Snoke was a mistake. Finn and brainwashed Stormtroopers might have been an interesting avenue.
JJ did not have to bring back the Emperor because Snoke died lol. Kylo Ren is the bad guy. This one is entirely on JJ.
I thought he died at the time (was 12yo) and since I see the Star Wars cinematic universe as three distinct parts (that happen to have similar characters) he's still dead in the OT.
TLJ doesn't really even have a message. I however did see a lot of the defending of how Luke was handled as "let the past die". I actually always saw through the information from Kylo as coming from a non reputable source. But in that instance, they tried to use it as character advancement for himself as he is seeking to move on from being a lackey.... but for some reason he redoes his mask in ROS. And here we are, a botched character arc.
Also I never really understood the whole children movie in space thing. The series is obviously not for children. The audience is everyone. Dumbing down expectations is the new subverted expectations?
Darth Maul's arc in the CW is one of the most interesting arcs in the entire show, and subsequently his appearance in Rebels was one of the most interesting arcs leading to one of the best lightsaber duels and character deaths in the franchise.
So yea since they made that idea into an award winner they can absolutely make Palpatine's return work.
Literally every character arc in the film is based on this message.
Needed a third try to redeem the guy who employs an army of stolen children... So why not bring a more evil dude from the past to save time building a new threat
Yes I assumed he was dead. I'm not outraged at him coming back. My overall opinion is it's sad to see storytelling in sci-fi progress so much in over thirty years and Star Wars is so popular that they are too afraid to take risks and move it in new directions.
Does get me asking questions when they apparently have zero assets from this actual movie to use for their own poster and resort to doing this.
It makes me wonder if he's not appearing in this movie in the traditional sense that some might expect. That he might not look like he did in RotJ anymore, whatever that might mean.
Of course they could just be slapping in something vaguely nostalgic because they don't want his actual TRoS reveal to be on something as meager as a poster.
But it does make one wonder if there could be something more going on. Probably overthinking it.
Either way, the poster does look a little less action figury if you drop the oversaturation.
And yet the basic concept is incredibly stupid. It just means that anyone you don't verify is dead is still a chess piece on the board. Maul might as well have waved to them and given them a wink as he fell down the shaft cut in twain. The Emperor returning is equally stupid. It just lowers the stakes in the movies when the movies are obviously hoodwinking the viewers.
I was, uh, 6, maybe 7 years old when I saw ROTJ? Episode 1 had only just come out. And less than a year later, I had already read Timothy Zahn's Thrawn trilogy, which were episodes 7 through 9 as far as I was concerned at the time. So yeah, I was pretty sure the Emperor was toast.
It's Big Boss in MGS4 all over again (who was set on fire and turned into burnt toast in Metal Gear 2).
So dumb.
(Or Volgin in MGSV, who was also clearly dead at the end of MGS3).
It would have been nice to see Kylo as the Big Bad ... do something original and interesting and leveraging Adam Driver's talents.
I just hope Kylo doesn't end up doing Palpatine's bidding for really dumb reasons or anything like that.
Anakin Skywalker is his grandfather though so maybe gullibility runs in the family
I just hope Kylo doesn't end up doing Palpatine's bidding for really dumb reasons or anything like that.
Anakin Skywalker is his grandfather though so maybe gullibility runs in the family
This literally doesn't matter if the material is well written.
Yoda literally spells out the message of the last jedi and every arc in the film during that scene. Which happens to be directly before every character faces the consequences of their biggest failures.
Oh sure, as a little kid I thought he was dead and gone. NOt that I really cared either way, because, for me, at the time the trilogy wasn't really about him. But then stuff like Dark Empire came out with strangely sexy clone Palpatine so I've had many years to come to terms with the idea of the character being brought back through some form of shenanigans.
Yep, one of the most interesting things coming out of TLJ was seeing how Kylo would be wearing the crown in the finale.
Who knows. Fingers crossed they pull this off, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't cringe a bit when they announced the Emperor is back.
Its a perfect representation of everything wrong with the ST...
Given that he wasn't cut in half before falling down a hole they've already retconned worse.
If you don't see them hit the bottom there is always room for some revisionist bullshit. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles ended with shredder being crushed in the back of a garbage truck, and it literally zoomed in on his hand until it stopped twitching and then TMNT II they just dribbled some more goo on him and he was better than ever.
