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What was with that Max Shreck character played by Christopher Walken in Batman Returns?
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When I googled "billy dee" a few minutes ago the first result that popped up was "billy dee williams happy gilmore" so you're not the only one.
She was brought back to life by cats! That's at least different than what we got in the comics.
And Penguin is this deformed psycho instead of a posh guy with height issues. It's inventive and different.
The film's a blast.
heh. what a great movie. i just bought it on blu ray this past christmas after watching it on netflix. i was like, 'i gotta own this movie.' and i only own a few movies.
I've never understood the praise for this film. Sure it's a visual feast, and the dark atmosphere is pretty great, but the story is complete nonsense. I enjoyed it when I was a kid, but it's really hard to sit through now. Just awful story, characters, and dialogue. Max Shreck was the most enjoyable part of the movie though.
From my point of view this is because Batman Returns doesn't really have a central story. It's a bunch of smaller arcs all happening in succession
Yeah, there's too much going on. It's a bit of a mess. I really can't stand a lot of the dialogue and character interactions.
"You don't think you'll win do you?"
"You're not the mayor"
The last time I watched it, I was struck by how much his son is sorta portrayed as a young Trump type figure in his dad's shadow.
On the other hand: imagine a universe where we got a Burton Batman film where Eva Green gets to be Catwoman.
Walken is Gold in anything he does, and that's especially true here as Max Shreck. I just love this scene and his expressions and voice, so chilling:
And Batman Returns has the best Soundtrack in the franchise. It actually sounds Operatic in nature with how Elfman composed it:
And Batman Returns has the best Soundtrack in the franchise. It actually sounds Operatic in nature with how Elfman composed it:
Imagine what Nolan could have done with Devito as Penguin. No horror show needed at all.
Tangent time, but: I think a lot of that "sleazy businessman" archetype from the 80's/early 90's is kinda Trump related, actually. Shreck Jr looks like him kinda, but I think there's some Trump in the one guy from Die Hard, the similar guy from Ghostbusters 2, the same guy from Wayne's World, etc. Every time there's a business guy in an 80's movie who scrunches up his face and snaps his fingers and says "aaaayyyy bubala, let's talk bottom line" and/or wants to shut down the orphanage or the factory or whatever, I wonder how Trump can be the perfect prototype of this trope. Like, are these guys based on him in part? Or is he just the perfect epitome of it?
Like, there's no way this dickhead from Billy Madison isn't based on Trump in part:
And the guy from Gremlins 2 is actually named Daniel Clamp and is clearly a straight parody of Trump:
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Flippers notwithstanding, repulsive pervert Penguin is actually my favorite interpretation of the character. I don't know if I'd want to see DeVito play him any other way.
Damn, that's cold. Giving her that moment of relief before killing her. Some good villiany.
Max is more charming and intelligent, but yeah, basically.
Why is Shreck so obsessed with getting some dumb power planet built?
And on a tangential note, are we really meant to believe that cats brought Selina Kyle back to life? I presumed that the awning broke her fall and the cats were just her inspiration. I can't recall if the film ever explicitly gives in to supernatural elements.
And on a tangential note, are we really meant to believe that cats brought Selina Kyle back to life? I presumed that the awning broke her fall and the cats were just her inspiration. I can't recall if the film ever explicitly gives in to supernatural elements.
Because he is Batman, you moron.Still one of the best lines in any Batman film:
Was.
I just recently went through this, I rewatched both of the Keaton movies on Netflix. The first one seems decent, even if it feels like Keaton is just playing a brooding version of Michael Keaton and some of the action stuff seems extremely clunky but the second one... as someone who watched that when I was a kid, I did not realized how obsessed with sex that movie is.
There's like campy jokes and all that but there's just so much sexual dialogue in this movie, it's like they said, "maybe we should include two more lines where Penguin talks to Catwoman like a creep, you know what? Make it nine." It's part of the reason why I think Shreck is one of the better parts of that movie, he doesn't spend half the time on screen indulging in creeper shit.
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You mean you didn't enjoy Penguin saying, "This is just the pussy I was looking for?" while smiling at Catwoman laying on his bed?
I never thought I would see someone shit on what is perhaps the single greatest portrayal of a comic book character in film history. Tim Burton and Michelle Pfeiffer elevated the character.
If I were you I'd be reexamining my life choices up to this point.
oh wow personal attacks just because the guy likes something you dont
Would have been boring as fuck like all his other Batman films.
lol i take it in jest
he is wrong and he can wallow in his wrongness
and to be fair I do consider many of my life choices, but one thing I am certain of is Batman Return's Catwoman being a GOAT contender - and I knew that from an early age
The first page of his post history is almost entirely MCU related. Do with that information what you will.
I think that guy got upset once when I said Black Panther wasn't very good.
That's awesome. I'd love to see a well curated list of every Trumpian figure in fiction, because I'm sure we're just scratching the surface.Tangent time, but: I think a lot of that "sleazy businessman" archetype from the 80's/early 90's is kinda Trump related, actually. Shreck Jr looks like him kinda, but I think there's some Trump in the one guy from Die Hard, the similar guy from Ghostbusters 2, the same guy from Wayne's World, etc. Every time there's a business guy in an 80's movie who scrunches up his face and snaps his fingers and says "aaaayyyy bubala, let's talk bottom line" and/or wants to shut down the orphanage or the factory or whatever, I wonder how Trump can be the perfect prototype of this trope. Like, are these guys based on him in part? Or is he just the perfect epitome of it?
Like, there's no way this dickhead from Billy Madison isn't based on Trump in part:
And the guy from Gremlins 2 is actually named Daniel Clamp and is clearly a straight parody of Trump:
Such an underrated Batman villain. When Selina shows up to work after being tossed out the window, his son asks him, "Did you buy [her story]?"
Schreck responds, "Women....nothing surprises me, Chip."
The best.
Such a savage
"She tries to blackmail me? I'll drop her outta a higher window."
Also Selenas apartment was off the hook, it was awesome
The only time this quote could be even remotely true is if it were spoken in the 12-month period between the releases of Spider-Man 2 and Batman Begins.
Nah fam.
Dark Knight > Begins > Phantasm > Returns > 89 > Rises > 66 > Forever > batman and Robin
First 3 are top 10 superhero movies too
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To this day, Batman Returns remains my favorite Batman movie of all time.
The masquerade scene between Selina and Bruce, and the symbolism surrounding it, it's pretty much one of the best scenes I've seen in a superhero movie.
The masquerade scene between Selina and Bruce, and the symbolism surrounding it, it's pretty much one of the best scenes I've seen in a superhero movie.
We need to come up with another word for irony because the original is no longer strong enough.
Anyway, I legit forgot Walken was in this movie.
I think I saw it too young and it damaged my psyche so I've never gone back to it. I've actually been meaning to revisit this and the first one, since they don't hold the same contempt I have for Forever and Robin.
DeVito used to be my favorite Penguin until Gotham's (the TV series) interpretation came along.
Still fucking love DeVito's version.
Batman Returns was the first movie I saw in theatres as a kid and is still probably my second favourite Batman film and third favourite comic book movie overall. The Christmas setting, the cinematography, Michelle Pffeifer in leather, still remembering the nightmares I had about Danny Devito's Penguin, the amazing musical score and my overall love and childhood nostalgia for Tim Burton makes this a film I absolutely adore. Shreck was fantastic too, especially with the way he came off as a ruthless businessman yet actually did probably one of the most nicest things in the movie, which was to sacrifice himself to save his son from Penguin's machinations. Walken did such a good job with the role.
I'm still waiting for better Catwoman movie representation.
When I saw this in theaters had a crash on Pfiefer
