More like he outlasts HakuThe beginning
Like Naruto beats haku because he overpowers him
That was more acceptable as it was clearly a special moment that wouldn't really occur frequently. It was more to establish that the Kyubi is a great power, but one that can't be relied on and when Kyubi wasn't in play, Naruto had to rely on his tactics.The beginning
Like Naruto beats haku because he overpowers him
At least it's attempt of character drama iirc than a tactical ninja fightBut if there is a moment it was abandoned, it was probably the climactic fight between Naruto and Sasuke at the end of Part 1. Naruto doesn't really use his tactics to outplay Sasuke's Sharingan, he mostly just keeps dipping more and more into Kyubi's power while being hyper emo about how sad he is that Sasuke isn't his friend. Meanwhile, Sasuke is doing his own version of this where he progresses his Sharingan into 3 dots and uses the full curse.
Wasn't rasen shuriken supposed to fuck up his arms or some shit?I'd say sometime after he got rasen shuriken.
It was a massive power boost to figure out that he could basically endlessly trail-n-error with the shadow clones to greatly reduce the time it took to learn shit.
Yeah, was supposed to be a nuke that would give him prema damage and I think it was too strong for clones to deliver (?) so it was a win button but one he should never use.Wasn't rasen shuriken supposed to fuck up his arms or some shit?
Basically iirc it was like shit ton of little needles that would eventually make it be he couldn't use chakra in his arms and i remember it being irreparable hence clonesWasn't rasen shuriken supposed to fuck up his arms or some shit?
Yeah, was supposed to be a nuke that would give him prema damage and I think it was too strong for clones to deliver (?) so it was a win button but one he should never use.
Then after that he learns how to chuck it and we're off to the power creep races with all the new characters being silly strong.
Yeah, it worked at the time. I just didn't think it'd be a mark of things to come. I thought that it was more of an escalation where they're now just inexperienced genin, so they're throwing their power loads at each other without any regard, but once they learn to harness the Kyubi and the curse/sharingan, we'd still get these massive power levels, but they'd be used tactically too. Guess not.At least it's attempt of character drama iirc than a tactical ninja fight
Naruto is pretty tactical but not in the chess-like way Shikamaru is. Shikamaru will plan a fight out from the beginning, anticipating what his opponent will do. Naruto will come up with clever stuff on the fly which is why he's unpredictable.Shikamaru is the only exception I remember in Shippuden as well. Naruto was never a very tactiful fighter even from the beginning, I don't remember him winning while vastly overpowered by his opponents.
The rasen-shuriken was never a win button. Even when he first got the technique, Naruto had to use tactics to hit Kakuzu with it. The first time Naruto used it as a projectile against Pain, he had to work around the fact that two of the Pain's could easily nullify the entire jutsu. Like, his rasenshuriken gets absorbed by one of the Pains so Naruto tricks him by throwing himself transformed into a rasenshuriken so he can take that Pain out. But even that was just a diversion so that Naruto could take out the Pain that could revive the others in the back.Yeah, was supposed to be a nuke that would give him prema damage and I think it was too strong for clones to deliver (?) so it was a win button but one he should never use.
Then after that he learns how to chuck it and we're off to the power creep races with all the new characters being silly strong.
Boruto doesn't know how to use the rasenshuriken. As of now, it's still exclusively Naruto's jutsu.
There were flashes of it during Naruto vs Haku but it reared its ugly head once Shipuden started. Shikamaru vs Hidan was like a nice little nod back to the older days but by then it had already turned into DBZ.
Chuunin Exam - Sasuke retrieval arc was peak tactics and strategy for the series.
Oh you mean Sasuke retrieval arc where over half of the rescuers pulled power ups out of their asses with one of them suppose to die from it and then not dieing. That shit literally started right there.
I want to say Naruto vs Pein, because Shikamaru vs Hidan was just before that. And that was the last fight i remember where ninja tricks and bullshits won the day.
There were flashes of it during Naruto vs Haku but it reared its ugly head once Shipuden started. Shikamaru vs Hidan was like a nice little nod back to the older days but by then it had already turned into DBZ.
Chuunin Exam - Sasuke retrieval arc was peak tactics and strategy for the series
Like people said it comes and goes but it became dbz lite in shippuden after Hidan
Depends on who was fighting who really, and that goes for the entire series.
But yeah there's something more of a noticeable shift around Pain, and I'd chalk that up a lot to the characters receiving fights on the regular here being in the upper echelon on the inevitable power creep so you had a lot more tailed beasts, sharingan hax, kage level powers, undead super ninja and so on.
Though all things considered even in this late game the series till carries hints of tactics and such throughout, even when it's down to the dimension shifting madness of Kaguya there's a few gambits in there that remind you that it's still Naruto and not just BEAMZ
"Tactics and strategy beat raw power" was never a hard rule of Naruto. I feel like people sometimes make up what Naruto was about only to say it abandoned its main theme when in reality, it never was that way. Tactics come and go in Naruto depending on the situation. It's always been that way. Like someone pointed out, Naruto beats Haku by just powering up and punching him. Earlier in that same arc Naruto and Sasuke manage to trick Zabuza with clever tactics but it doesn't defeat him. No they just free Kakashi who then goes to overpower Zabuza.
Even if we are to make up that this "tactics > power" rule exists, it still exists throughout the series. Yes, even in the war arc there's multiple moments of the characters overcoming the enemies' overwhelming power with clever ideas. Naruto, B, Guy and Kakashi had to use tactics to figure out Tobi's abilities and counter them for example. Another example is Kaguya. Kaguya is immensely more powerful than Naruto or Sasuke but her weakness is that she isn't a shinobi. She's the god of shinobi and basically just has raw power. It's only due to tactics and teamwork that Team 7 are able to defeat her.
Half is still better than none lol. That's a pretty good fraction from a series like Naruto.Oh you mean Sasuke retrieval arc where over half of the rescuers pulled power ups out of their asses with one of them suppose to die from it and then not dieing. That shit literally started right there.
Sasuke VS Danzo was pretty tactical too. Danzo had an incredibly OP ability and Sasuke spent the first half of the fight trying to figure out how his ability worked and then analyzed Danzo's tendencies to form a counterstrategy. In the end, even with all of Sasuke's abilities like the susanoo, what won the fight was a very simple and subtle genjustu. It was honestly the most intelligent use of a genjutsu in the entire series. Usually genjutsu are use to paralyze people inside illusions but Sasuke just pulled a quick trick on Danzo to make him think he was invincible for a split second and allow himself to be stabbed. And that's after Pain where people in this thread are saying tactics stopped.
Half is still better than none lol. That's a pretty good fraction from a series like Naruto.
Sasuke/Deidara was a great throwdown that actually played into mostly underexplored tactics like how elements could cancel out others that was hinted upon beforehand during the Rasenshuriken creation.
Unfortunately it ended with the great snake escape that overshadows everything good that happened beforehand, it's like a great wrestling match ending in a dusty finish, you can only remember the bad end.
I always thought the bigger issue was that summoning is supposed to take a large amount of chakra, and at that point in time the entire dilemma is that Sasuke is so gassed he can barely move.I'm cool with the Great Snake escape.
We see at the beginning of Shippūden and in the second arc of Part 2 that Sasuke is so fast he can teleport down a cliff in less than a second not to mention that Genjutsu doesn't take time as well.
And he still got hit by the blast along with Manda but he's got Oro's regenerative abilities at that point.
The two that didn't pull that shit either died (Neji) or never did anything again lol (Kiba)
I always thought the bigger issue was that summoning is supposed to take a large amount of chakra, and at that point in time the entire dilemma is that Sasuke is so gassed he can barely move.
Ah, I did forget about the whole Naruto overdoing it with the summoning efforts, we even got Jiraiya diagrams for that waste of chakra.We only saw that with Naruto because Naruto has a inefficient use of chakra. It takes him several times the amount of chakra to do the same move that Sasuke can.
Not to mention that Oro is inside Sasuke and Sasuke is using chakra to suppress him so he has some left in the pipe or Oro would've exploded out of him.
But there's an easy head-canon to make it all make sense. Oro lent Sasuke some chakra because it's in his best interest to keep Sasuke from being caught in an explosion.