If that is the case, I would agree it's not good form, but given that it's a single tweet, by a single person, and not part of a coordinated movement of literally hundreds...I would doubt it is equivalent as the harrasement from Musk's followers.
If that is the case, I would agree it's not good form, but given that it's a single tweet, by a single person, and not part of a coordinated movement of literally hundreds...I would doubt it is equivalent as the harrasement from Musk's followers.
Well in any case I'm glad he just tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1001532526878310400?s=19
The "hit pieces" are coming from actual journalism and sources. They're focused on worker conditions, lawsuits, union busting and missed deadlines. These are all within perfect discussion by journalist. Especially when you're a CEO who is out there acting like the grand fucking wizard of it all.
Can't believe it took a reporter interviewing other reporters and writing a story on it for him to recognize it. Sadly I don't think he truly understands what he is doing.
I find it a bit hard to consider a response tweet as "pointing at someone".
What's the point of Musk and the journalist using twitter if Musk isn't meant to respond
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Same. Obviously not his intention, but all of this shit only reinforces his point about journalism.
He starts calling out the fact that people don't trust the media (true), proposes a solution (a highly dangerous, terrible one imo), and now it's been... what?
He's being accused of racism and sexism, when he did no such thing. It's fucking disgraceful.
He made a tweet and some random alt-right assholes started attacking people for it. You think that has never happened with other celebs? You think he reads all the replies of the portion of his followers attacking people?
This is him stating the obvious, because people have already warped the hell out of what he was saying.
It's not about the technology allows, but about how it is actually used. He could sub tweeted, tweeted about the topic without the @, etc. Some people on Twitter with large followings do use it intentionally to weaponize their followers, others are more responsible and avoid @ as much as possible.
Twitter needs to be deleted off the internet. Another example of two assholes arguing, and it somehow being news. I can't believe I have to defend Elon. Erin has attacked Elon more than once over twitter. Promptly used the twitter argument to mine for outrage. I can't help be cynical as to motive given the timing. Journalists and Scientists are held to higher standards in public discourse. You can't freely insult/criticize someone, and not expect backlash if you're in those professions.
Twitter mobs are hardly an isolated instance with Elon; distrust in 'reporters' is fully understandable and ultimately a sign of the times/future.
Twitter mobs are hardly an isolated instance with Elon; distrust in 'reporters' is fully understandable and ultimately a sign of the times/future.
Except the tweets in question are from before her hit piece.
What about the hit piece by NYT journalist that purposefully ran the test Tesla they gave him out of power just so he could get a picture of it on a tow truck? Oh and he lied about how far he was trying to go. And was caught by the logs on the car.
There are legitimate issues to be made about worker conditions and union busting etc. But to act like everything written negatively about Tesla is true, is false. And the same goes the other way for positive stories.
Couldn't you say the same about her then? She didn't have to @ him either. What if one of her 14k followers had harassed musk? Also why @ him if you don't want him to respond.
It was bad form, yes, but not equivalent since Musk has way more followers, and her followers are not famous for harrasement. In the tweets that the Richad Lewis has published to attempt disacredit her there are examples of her not @ him.
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Here is him telling another nanoscientist that her field of study is bullshit:
Dr Dickinson is a lecturer at my university and a science educator, she does a lot of great work and it's really upsetting to see Musk being such an asshole.
She wrote an article about it:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/28...ike-elon-musk-but-nano-is-not-bullshit-sorry/
What the fuck is this.
An engineer showing his ass when it comes to actual science
*said as an engineer*
Dudes way out of his depth when talking to people who actually know things
Also showing that he's probably a bit sexist considering
He has a degree in physics, bro.
An engineer in the aerospace and automotive fields would be aware about the many commercial applications of nanotechnolgy there.
Being an engineer with a degree in physics is actually a really good reason to not assume you know much about a field that you're not an expert in, including its uses.
milkshake duck? That he's terrible could be inferred from his hypercapitalist tendencies since day one
He is not an engineer but a business man which sells the idea of being brilliant mind as part of his public image. It's not the first time that his hot takes about something science related are nonsense.
Is there consensus on this take on this particular aspect . I mean many of us in acadaemia assume Elon sells stuff and with ridiculous timelines . But on this particular issue
1) the article is very vague uses a lot of walk backable words. And imo just tries to fling words around. Author keeps harping back to how he/she is not an authority but is still making a point
2) I'm much more interested in if he discredited actual work by the researcher mentioned . A prior poster has mentioned he knows her. Within the scientific community the distinction is clear you discredit work published in respectable publications you get shit on many . You disrespect stuff in shoddy places yeah no one cares . So which is it ? Someone in the field would be better educated to let me know .
The researcher he is supposed to have discredited . What exactly is she claiming that he considers bs . Where was it published .
Given that link it seems a doctoral student made a reply to Elon he was a dick about it and essentially implied nano is bad on an engineering level for current tech . The advisor jumped in protecting the student and the work (correctly) .
Having said that nanotech is like fusion something many very smart ppl (I'm sure smarter than musk) work on but it's a complex problem .
There are no engineering solutions currently . That's the bs he is referring to . He is being a dick about it for sure . But that whole back and forth is arguing over something too complex for most ppl to understand anyway . Maybe his ego was hurt by the initial tweet Dunno
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It is factually correct most nano stuff just like say quantum or fusion stuff is at no where near proper engineering levels and he is correct in that characterization but he is being quite disrespectful himself to the person . But the student was disrespectful to him too . (I haven't taken the time to look thru any prior exchanges apart from your quoted article )
Calling something bullshit, which has already daily commercial applications (especially in the fields he is trying to make money) and attacking people isn't "arguing".
Maybe he should go to one of the Panasonic engineers and asks how the "Tesla"tm batteries actually work.
I'm sorry what ? Which part of anything musk does has real nanotech in it ?
Dude wtf you even talking about . Your essential argument with Tesla tm seems to be he doesn't know shit . He is correct on feasibility of nanotech engineering solutions currently
Edit : he's not the smartest scientist or engineer but he's not dumb either
did he truly cites uncyclopedia?Here is him telling another nanoscientist that her field of study is bullshit:
Dr Dickinson is a lecturer at my university and a science educator, she does a lot of great work and it's really upsetting to see Musk being such an asshole.
She wrote an article about it:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/28...ike-elon-musk-but-nano-is-not-bullshit-sorry/
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Do you have a cogent argument on the current feasibility of nanotech engineering ? If so be my guest . This is getting ridiculous either you accept scientific consensus or not . Current scientific consensus is nanotech and related engineering is many years off .
Nanotech != metal gear style nanomachines. To quote the article (written by an actual researcher in the field) in my previous post:
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Tesla didn't have to act like children when trying to refute the review. Every single time anything negative is written about the company Musk & Tesla PR have these very childish, passive aggressive, victim blaming statements.
Still, that's only TWO stories. Y'all act like every single thing written about Tesla & Musk is some smear campaign by big oil to destroy the company. Consumers should WANT to see more demanded out of the company who is "trying to change the world" versus settling for "beta testing" a car.
At the same time you are absolutely niave if you think there isn't an all out war going on right now for the public perception of Tesla. They are threatening and disrupting billions and billions of dollars and very powerful people in many industries, that doesn't just happen without a fight.
Okay sure, but even if I believe some entities want Tesla to fail it doesn't change the fact that Elon continues to make an ass of himself for no good reason.
Yes, big auto and oil is founding a smear campaign against Tesla. They're paying every reporter to write "hit pieces" to drag Tesla down, yep. Solar City is not special and was on the brink of bankruptcy before Elon saught a merger, which was very much frowned upon by pundits because of how bad their financials are.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, people are finally beginning to grow tired of Musk and his antics. He's consistently missed deadlines on production, his cars have been criticized for their fit & finish despite their price and their "we'll update it" approach to their auto-driving is a bit of a wrong approach for things as powerful as cars.
I can gaurantee if Musk didn't put himself out there the way he has been for the last 5+ years he would not be getting as scrutinzied as he is.
Or maybe just maybe your opinion has been completely distorted by an endless barrage of misleading twisted click bait articles with half truths.
Even if the big players aren't manipulating the media as you say, it's worth pointing out that Tesla spends zero on advertising. The big auto companies and the oil industry take up 4 or 5 of the top ten spots in total ad spend across all media. They have absolutely no incentive to run positive coverage of Tesla and all the incentive in the world to see them fail and the status quo remain.
I agree Musk has not behaved ideal recently, he is absolutely far from perfect and I wish he would let PR handle some things he's taken to Twitter... But things have been so blown out of proportion and twisted its ridiculousm
This is a good summary of things I recommend:
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2018/5/29/1767826/-The-War-on-Tesla-Musk-and-the-Fight-for-the-Future
This reads like an Alex Jones rant. "People are hating on Musk because they've been brainwashed by the media due to Musk not giving them money for advertisement." This is an insane line of defense that has no bearing in reality.
While some of this might be valid, there is nothing in there that indicates some kind of larger thing at play to bring down Tesla. So there stock is the most shorted? Oh no, the world is betting against them. It's a valid thing when you consider missed production numbers and the massive amount of cash their burning; the Amazon comparison isn't apt because Amazon re-invested their money into other revenue generating ventures like AWS. The author is presenting their own bias throughout this too with the hippie comments. I've never met someone or read online of someone who assumed Tesla lovers were hippie people.
I also have a hard time taking someone seriously who puts "GATE" on any kind of controversy, especially while downplaying Musk's attacks on media and press. While Tesla might spend zero on advertising, they've been getting TONS of favorable press for YEARS. Musk built up so much hype and the press fueld it going back to the Model S days. Even with the Model 3 the amount of praise and hype centered on it was massive.
It is totally fair to highly publicize Tesla crashes, especially when 'autonomous' driving is suspected. Why? Because most companies, if any, advertise their AI driving assist like so:
When a comapny is touting itself as the next generation and being the safest thign out there they absolutely should be getting held to higher standards. Yes Ford or GM have millions of cars in recall, but the difference is when you consider the number of cars in production versus the actual recall.
This is a ludicrious defense of the car. Consumer Reports HAS to report on what they're given and to downplay it as an early production is just bad. People like got those early production models and experience the same annoyances; the fact that production quality can change that much is worth subjecting to criticism.
Many of us don't dislike Tesla and what they're trying to do, but rather have problems with Musk and how he is the defacto branding of Tesla. His approach to things is toxic and it leads to the brand looking toxic by nature.
Oh come on... Tesla's rivals have been shorting Tesla's stock for years, you can't call that "fake news" and then run for cover.
What has what you said have anything to do with what I've said?
That quote from the article seems to disagree with your statement
Here is him telling another nanoscientist that her field of study is bullshit:
Dr Dickinson is a lecturer at my university and a science educator, she does a lot of great work and it's really upsetting to see Musk being such an asshole.
She wrote an article about it:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/science/28...ike-elon-musk-but-nano-is-not-bullshit-sorry/
He's really linking to Uncyclopedia as a form of rebuttal? Christ, how do you become that dumb and self-absorbed?
Fucking hell the discourse on this site would make a 5 year old blush
He's probably in panic mode. Tesla shares are down, public perception and trust in autonomous vehicles is in doubt, investors are shook, the quality is shit on their vehicles, government investigations into safety issues at manufacturing plants etc etc etc
The goldenboy is finally hitting reality to all thr fuckery going on and he is going into full tantrum mode.