Unless you know very few women I find it exceptionally hard to believe that none of them have ever experienced any sexual harassment in their life, nor that they need to take any additional thoughts or precautions with them when they go about life. At the very least most women are hyper-aware above that of most men when it comes to situations like clubs and going out at night. If that is the case then I'm happy to hear it, but it really isn't reliant on bad neighbourhoods.
Yes, women are more likely to know their rapist. That doesn't cover all the catcalling, stalking, and other intimidating behaviors done by strangers. The thought experiment is still applicable.
I was specifically talking about street harassment because one poster claimed every women experiences this.
I agree with your comment and everything you're saying, but this kind of nuance is notably absent from the premise of the discussion, and especially in every derisive comment in this thread, which only serves to further stoke the fire.
Do you understand what I'm trying to say though? You're asking from empathy from the group the premise of your argument basically demonizes. Sure, you can count on a part of that group to already come into this discussion with the empathy required, and you can count on another part to really read between the lines and garner newfound empathy from the testimonies. But the way this thought experiment is phrased inherently makes sure another part will be on the defensive. My point is that the phrasing of this whole conversation in detrimental to what you're actually trying to accomplish with it, as is evident in this very thread. A good example of something in the same vein was posted a little while back. The article that's titled something like "fathers, this is why your daughters didn't tell you about their sexual assault".
That's the problem with painting in broad strokes. I've lived in 3 countries and I can honestly say I've never ever witnessed a cat call. Some women face terrible threats or objectification on a minute by minute basis, others may not experience it at all or to very little degree. That's not diminishing what they face but framing discussion in this manner really doesn't serve a purpose other than to polarize. No one is going to read this and go, oh there is a real solution here.
Ah, apologies I misread. Good to hear that's their experience but again, totally not limited to bad neighbourhoods. I live in the UK and spoke to my partner about harassment she'd faced and her general fears around this topic, and she had an abundance of experiences to list. In fact she said anything short of actual assault/groping and the like, it's too many to remember. We don't live in a typically rough or bad neighbourhood or city by any means, it's just her experience as for years she walked to and from work and being a nurse that means doing so at unsociable hours. Even then it's not limited to purely nighttime, but she said people seemed more emboldened when there were fewer people around - which I can see.
I genuinely can't understand how any rational thinking person would think that it would have the same effect. You seem to have missed the point of the conversation entirely.
Yeah could be, it's unfortunate that there isn't enough women on these boards to keep this thread alive with their own thoughts and experiences. So it's mostly just guys fighting among themselves, like most threads. I'd be interested to follow and participate if there's any possibility to have any discussion around this at all.
The thought experiment is supposed to showcase the problem, not be a solution.
I'm not talking about the twitter thread in particular. I'm talking about the way the article was framed around the content. The stupidity of using twitter threads as news is another matter entirely.
You seriously suggesting that women cannot feel safer in places that have less crime?
I can hear someone furiously typing the article now.Imagine a world where women are forced to conceal carry.
If you can't you are fucked either way. But this is a problem that doesn't just boil down to men or women
Well then it's maybe a cultural problem. Catcalling and the like just wouldn't be acceptable behavior in a "normal" neighborhood around here.
