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What’s up with underage boys being kissed by older women in 80s/90s movies?
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It really is this mentality:
It's far from dead. American culture largely assumes boys - no matter the age - "want it" from women and should be happy when they "get it".
It's far from dead. American culture largely assumes boys - no matter the age - "want it" from women and should be happy when they "get it".
This trend in the 80s and 90s was weird as shit. Whenever I think of this trope, I think of this scene from Picket Fences.
Still can't believe this aired on TV.
Still can't believe this aired on TV.
Julia Serano's "Why Nice Guys Finish Last" is a mandatory reading on this topic -
https://www.geneseo.edu/sites/default/files/sites/health/2008_Serano_Why_Nice.pdf
The problem is that men are viewed as predators, women as prey, and it seems into everything.
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As a total aside, I thought Weird Science was about boys basically making a fembot? (I've never seen it)
https://www.geneseo.edu/sites/default/files/sites/health/2008_Serano_Why_Nice.pdf
The problem is that men are viewed as predators, women as prey, and it seems into everything.
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As a total aside, I thought Weird Science was about boys basically making a fembot? (I've never seen it)
Everytime we get a thread of a young female teacher commited statutory rape with one of her male students, there's always at least 5+ creeps who get banned for saying stuff like "whats the big deal?"
I had never seen the original, but my wife and I were visiting her parents one weekend and we watched the remake. Since I had never heard of or seen the original, I was definitely like "wtf this movie is fucked up?!" The thing that pissed me off the most about it is that, while yeah, the guy was a major jackass, still she brainwashed and kidnapped him, and then the movie is basically going "BUT THE KIDS IS WHY HE SHOULD STAY!" even though they aren't his kids and he was brainwashed there in the first place.
OP (assuming you're a heterosexual male), don't you remember a time when you were more attracted to girls/women who were considerably older than you? Like when you were a kid that random model in a Taco Bell commercial or whatever that you wanted to hook up with? That's all this is about. Just a teenage boy fantasy.
These movies aren't about teens, they're for teens. Stranger Things is about teens and for adults. These 80s sex-comedies are the way for horny teenage boys to see something titillating in an age before the internet and unfettered, easy access to porn.
If you have the teen boys lusting after a teen girl, she's not walking around in slow-mo with a plunging neck-line, or jogging in lycra, or lounging around the pool in a bikini, but you can show a 25-year-old woman doing those things, and of course the hero -proxy for the viewer- gets the kiss.
The very simple fact is that sex-symbols are adults, and teens are still attracted to people. For instance, there's nothing wrong or unexpected with a 13-year-old boy liking, say, Kendall Jenner.
If you have the teen boys lusting after a teen girl, she's not walking around in slow-mo with a plunging neck-line, or jogging in lycra, or lounging around the pool in a bikini, but you can show a 25-year-old woman doing those things, and of course the hero -proxy for the viewer- gets the kiss.
The very simple fact is that sex-symbols are adults, and teens are still attracted to people. For instance, there's nothing wrong or unexpected with a 13-year-old boy liking, say, Kendall Jenner.
I mean, it's super strange as a scene to film and show, but at least it's clearly the boy's fantasy.
Yeah it is occasionally still shocking to me how much randomly-selected posts on this forum sound like something Sean Hannity would casually throw out
Not just the thing from the OP, what was with all the movies featuring contrived incest scenarios back in the day? Star Wars, Back to the Future, Bill & Ted had a couple throwaway incesty lines. Super fucking weird that was like a recurring trope lmao.
it's not an effective satire if it's just going to repeat the same attitude, without changing anything
That's not what satire is. Satire doesn't have to offer up a solution for it to be satire.
What do you want them to "change" about this situation? They're already pointing out the hypocritical mode of thought. Do they really need to say "don't be like this" when the example is ridiculously satirizing the subject as it is? The satire itself shows a leaning/philosophy in this example as it stands.
Common fantasy for teenage boys. I was sexually active at 15-16 and most definitely lusted after women in their 20s. Sure, they may have patted me on the head and said "Nice try, kid." and I knew it but...sure didn't stop me from thinking about it lol
I have to say, I honestly wasn't expecting you to duck out so fast when your argument was so soundly defeated by a simple definition. Kudos for that.
I mean you still hear people make a "congrats" joke if a somewhat decent looking woman teacher hooks up with a male student.
Yeah, so the SP critique on that attitude still holds true. Men by and large are pigs.
edit: Ah thought you were responding to me but probably just to the thread content itself
I mean, as a teen/minor, I admit it was something I fantasized about and don't think there is anything wrong with doing so.
But it's not something that is appropriate in movies today. Indeed, it's an outdated trope that a male minor with an adult female should be depicted that way.
Truly was a sign of the times. I don't recall that scene being so weird in Blank Check when I first saw it, but it is genuinely gross now.
This. These are movies where kids, or at least I as a kid, are projecting onto the main characters. I'm pretty sure in every one of those cases it's looked on as desired by the guy. Plus, if you look at a movie like Weird Science, that's not the first thing you're going to be offended by.
There are examples of the reverse too; like I highly doubt we'll see a remake of Blame it On Rio or My Father the Hero anytime soon.
I mean, as a former 13 year old boy...I remember being desperately horny.
People even on era think it's acceptable even now. I have to avoid topic about it because it happened to me when I was in first or second grade by an 8th grader. They feel that what's the harm your a guy you should like it and it's sickening. Yours is probably the only post I will read in this topic. Not putting myself through the stress and reading takes in this topic.
it was the kids dying wish to see boobs, and then the kid survives so Elliot thinks she has magic boobs so she flashes a corpse
Oh wow. They swapped the genders of the characters because they thought rape is okay if a woman does it, didn't they?
Man.
Probably, and also a factor of just a gender-swapped remake, kind of like Ghostbusters.
They're right MOST of the time. People just unfortunately misinterpret the satire.
That whole movie was risque. Potential kid murder, identity theft, check fraud, and a searing commentary on affluence!
But it also has one of the greatest unintentional quips in film history.
kid walks into bank manager's office
Manager: "Juice?"
Kid: "No thanks I'm not thirsty."
It's lumping a lot of examples together, when narratively they served a lot of different functions
As someone put far better also they weren't about kids, they were for kids. Plus a lot of family fare was just a kiss, and equally there were many examples of kids kissing each other the same age in a chaste way.
It's through a different lens now that we frame this, because there's a large visibility and discussion in society on the sick nature of many (rightly)
The coming of age fantasy of the older crush is a natural part of growing up. It's not as appropriate in today's climate sure to use that as a narrative vehicle, but again for a lot of examples from the 80's/90s I'm more bothered that the females in question were lazily written, and not so much the kissing / interaction in itself as long as it suited the purpose.
Things like Big, The Goonies and a fair few others I think it was handled well character wise
As someone put far better also they weren't about kids, they were for kids. Plus a lot of family fare was just a kiss, and equally there were many examples of kids kissing each other the same age in a chaste way.
It's through a different lens now that we frame this, because there's a large visibility and discussion in society on the sick nature of many (rightly)
The coming of age fantasy of the older crush is a natural part of growing up. It's not as appropriate in today's climate sure to use that as a narrative vehicle, but again for a lot of examples from the 80's/90s I'm more bothered that the females in question were lazily written, and not so much the kissing / interaction in itself as long as it suited the purpose.
Things like Big, The Goonies and a fair few others I think it was handled well character wise
Society doesn't believe men can be raped. Even in male-to-male assault the first question you'll hear asked is "how could you let that happen to you?".
I don't know, every single prison movie I've seen dealing with that makes it clear that it's non consensual and forced. But yeah, society in general doesn't believe a woman can rape a man in most cases.
Sure, but with them it just became easier for teens to miss the point and just regurgitate what was supposed to be satirized. You can say it's not their fault people didn't get it, but there was definitely some have their cake and eat it too with that sort of humor.
You're right, SP needs to be even dumber than it is so we can placate and educate all the stupids out there. That's Matt and Trey's ultimate responsibility as comedy writers.
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Just want to clarify that it's not just the fantasy itself, but also that in some of these movies they show boys who were underage in real life kissing adult women.
Your point was that they enjoy people unironically using stuff from their show? Like idolizing Hitler Cartman? And you know this, how?
As a comedy writer I think I would enjoy it way more if people got my jokes.
I feel women still do it to boys of all ages still. I remember not to long ago Katy Perry sneaking a kiss on one of the performers of one of the talent shows when she was a judge. The audience applauded, and I wondered what would happen if one of the male judges did that. Apparently the guy was upset later on because he had a girlfriend and was super religious or something.
My point was they enable it and having grown up with the Target audience in different states and schools, I recognize a pattern.
Chapelle recognized this with his show and stopped. They just kept going.
Yeah a lot of people will wave off women doing shit because..."nice". I think it's changing but there is definitely a lot of people that still have that double standard.