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Westworld |S3| Jump Ahead
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Had skipped this topic most of the season, found it to be an ok season with some interesting takes on A.I running the world, though not as well as POI did somehow. Serac was a poor duplicate of Mr. Greer.
Finale was fine, though I'm not surprised at the reactions I'm seeing in here, as I'm never that critical on the shows that interest me enough to actually watch them.
Finale was fine, though I'm not surprised at the reactions I'm seeing in here, as I'm never that critical on the shows that interest me enough to actually watch them.
Man, the writing is terrible. Didn't understand anyone's motivations the entire season. Super sloppy. The action scenes were like B movie, and lazy at the end with the lights off, so tropey
Seriously bad stuff here lol.
Seriously bad stuff here lol.
POI showed us how AIs were influencing and running the world. Westworld just tells us that Rehoboam is running the world but not enough to have any instinct of self preservation whatsoever. The creative and extreme lengths that The Machine and its team went through to preserve The Machine made POI incredibly fun to watch over time. Hiding in the electrical grid, compressing into a suitcase and needing a shitload of networked PS3s plugged in together to have a fighting chance at coming back online, even having poor John running around for a can of liquid nitrogen to cool off the array - it actually felt like the AIs in that show were gods with countless pawns.
In Westworld, Rehoboam and Solomon feel like glorified Alexas. A janitor tripping over the wrong outlet could shut either of them down.
The Maeve off-switch doesn't ever get an explanation either. Its existence and its destruction feel conjured up out of pure convenience for the script. I kept expecting some sort of turn where Rehoboam had hacked into her and the switch was just a decoy or something, but.. the switch existed, and then it stopped existing, and the plot moved on.
Entertaining and reasonably satisfying finale. Ex Machina Delores must have cost a bit. Bernard had some memorable scenes for the first time since the premiere. Maeve finally came to her senses. And now we know why Delores trusted Caleb to help her. Dolores no :( Host William FTW! I wonder if they will do a full time jump next season or fill in some gaps to setup S5...
I honestly have no idea what the point of the season or any of the characters was. It started with a decent enough hook after season 2 but it completely spiralled as it went on. I think Dolores turning out to be a good guy in the end was the most ludicrous of all plot decisions, but there were so many characters whose place in the story was forcefully dragged out (Bernard, Maeve, Stubbs) and all the new characters ended up being a waste (Caleb was bizzarely uninteresting, Serrac was just a puppet, Charlores had a great start that went nowhere).
In the end, by the strength of Riddle of the Sphinx and Kiksuya season 2 remains vastly superior, even if it's plotting was way messier than here. I will take overly convoluted storyline going into an uninteresting conclusion with flashes of absolute brilliance over consistently mediocre meandering plot that goes nowhere. In the scheme of things, I don't think season 3 even changed the status quo much, no idea where season 4 is going but I don't think going from season 2 into season 4 just with replacing Dolores with Charlores would make much difference.
In the end, by the strength of Riddle of the Sphinx and Kiksuya season 2 remains vastly superior, even if it's plotting was way messier than here. I will take overly convoluted storyline going into an uninteresting conclusion with flashes of absolute brilliance over consistently mediocre meandering plot that goes nowhere. In the scheme of things, I don't think season 3 even changed the status quo much, no idea where season 4 is going but I don't think going from season 2 into season 4 just with replacing Dolores with Charlores would make much difference.
The best thing about this season was the set design and visual effects, everything else was almost nonsensical.
They really overdid it with "Terminator Delores".
"Riddle of the Sphinx" from Season 2 IMO was better than every episode in Season 3.
They really overdid it with "Terminator Delores".
"Riddle of the Sphinx" from Season 2 IMO was better than every episode in Season 3.
Bernard being inactive for any significant amount of time seems implausible and ill thought out -- let alone for the large passage implied by him being covered in dust.
Stubbs was chilling in the tub (wounded, but not dead), and that hotel room they were couldn't have gone undisturbed for long. Plus, Bernard's Sublime-communicating headset must have battery retention surpassing of even the 3DS's sleep mode.
Only explanations that make sense to me would be a bomb going off (eh) or it (*groan*) being a simulation like William appeared caught in in S2's post-credits scene.
Stubbs was chilling in the tub (wounded, but not dead), and that hotel room they were couldn't have gone undisturbed for long. Plus, Bernard's Sublime-communicating headset must have battery retention surpassing of even the 3DS's sleep mode.
Only explanations that make sense to me would be a bomb going off (eh) or it (*groan*) being a simulation like William appeared caught in in S2's post-credits scene.
I found S2 frustrating to watch, while S3 was easy-to-digest entertainment. But S2 had higher highs, and S3 is kinda dumb when you start to think about it.
Absolute dogshit. S3 made the awful S2 look like an incredible piece of art. Its astounding, really. This show fucking sucks. Its hard to believe that the same people who made S1 are responsible for what this show has become.
While S1 itself was never a top tier HBO classic ala Deadwood or Sopranos, it was an ambitious and engaging as hell second tier show, one I loved dearly. To see it disappear up its own ass in S2 and now reappearing in S3 as a 360 degree vomit spewing mess is so disheartening.
S1 >>>>>>>>>>>> S2 >>> S3
I've said it several times in here already, but this should have been a limited series that ended with its legacy intact that final shot of Dolores shooting Ford.
While S1 itself was never a top tier HBO classic ala Deadwood or Sopranos, it was an ambitious and engaging as hell second tier show, one I loved dearly. To see it disappear up its own ass in S2 and now reappearing in S3 as a 360 degree vomit spewing mess is so disheartening.
S1 >>>>>>>>>>>> S2 >>> S3
I've said it several times in here already, but this should have been a limited series that ended with its legacy intact that final shot of Dolores shooting Ford.
Serac wanted the Delos data because it contained more information about humans and their minds. He wanted that data to fix the irregulars like his brother who could not fit into society.
Chalores probably helped create the new body for Delores Prime. She probably placed in a back door. It was implied by their conversation.
I'm with those that vaguely enjoyed the season but hated the finale.
I guess I always trusted Nolan and Joy to conclude things in a semi-satisfying way, but what we got was an absolute hodgepodge of poor writing and unjoined up thinking. It's not clear how and why events occurred or what most character's roles were, let alone their motivations. The season felt like a giant McGuffin to setup whatever ending they've just reached.
So there is no AI and Caleb is now teamed with Maive to help guide a free world? And William is dead as a human, if he ever was one, to be replaced by terminator William. And Bernard has been to the Valley Beyond to do something which I guess we'll learn about in Season 4.
But all I could think whilst watching the finale was "god, I really can't be arsed with Season 4"
I guess I always trusted Nolan and Joy to conclude things in a semi-satisfying way, but what we got was an absolute hodgepodge of poor writing and unjoined up thinking. It's not clear how and why events occurred or what most character's roles were, let alone their motivations. The season felt like a giant McGuffin to setup whatever ending they've just reached.
So there is no AI and Caleb is now teamed with Maive to help guide a free world? And William is dead as a human, if he ever was one, to be replaced by terminator William. And Bernard has been to the Valley Beyond to do something which I guess we'll learn about in Season 4.
But all I could think whilst watching the finale was "god, I really can't be arsed with Season 4"
This show is ending up like Dexter for me. Probably will stick with it until the end, but eh.
Can't wait for the scene where Bernard trips on a treadmill.
Eh, they'll take the pearl from DoLawrence and reacreate her body or some shit.
It's fucking weird, in episode 7, Solomon directly says "You're a host made to immitate humans" and Caleb doesn't react.
It was one of the things I wanted to see, how Caleb would react to her not being human, but they botched it completely.
I have to say, I've really given a chance at every episode for salvation but ... the quality drop between S2 and this one is so large... I mean, yeah, streamlining the story telling after the clusterfuck of the previous season was needed but don't go that badly.
The podt-credit scene was better than the whole season final. I'll be there for S4 but not as hyped as before. Why have you forsaken me Jonathan ?
The podt-credit scene was better than the whole season final. I'll be there for S4 but not as hyped as before. Why have you forsaken me Jonathan ?
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I like the general idea of the plot for this season, I even enjoyed a lot of the direction they took to get to the end. But overall yea, it's a bit messy and rushed, needed 2 more episodes to properly pace and flesh it out I think.
Bernard and Maeve's story had not much going until the end. Maeve had a bit more but Bernard had fuckall.
Even if Season 2 had higher highs, it felt like a huge cluster fuck because absolutely nothing made sense until the end, and I don't.mean the general plot but rather what people were doing and why the shoe was showing that. And while they.may have overly streamlined it.in Season 3, I hope they hit the right balance.in Season 4 like the first Season.
Though I'm not sure If want to watch the show without Evan Rachel Wood.
Bernard and Maeve's story had not much going until the end. Maeve had a bit more but Bernard had fuckall.
Even if Season 2 had higher highs, it felt like a huge cluster fuck because absolutely nothing made sense until the end, and I don't.mean the general plot but rather what people were doing and why the shoe was showing that. And while they.may have overly streamlined it.in Season 3, I hope they hit the right balance.in Season 4 like the first Season.
Though I'm not sure If want to watch the show without Evan Rachel Wood.
It might have cost a bit more that usual, but Westworld cost reported $8-10million per episode and Ex Machina itself only had $15 million budget. (Also, is Caleb another reference to Ex Machine? I'm not sure inviting that comparison is particularly great for the show.) I would hate to see any other HBO shows cancelled because this one has hoovered up the budget. Pretty much all their other shows are better. I feel a bit sorry for the actors, Ed Harris has gone on record to say he didn't enjoy this season; Evan Rachel Wood and Jeffrey Wright doing some great work here with half decent material.
Yeah I watched Dexter to the very end lol. Nothing will faze me.
I think the Westworld showrunners still have some neat ideas, they just can't put it together in a coherent package, and they keep bending characters to suit whatever purpose. Every season finale has pushed the reset button on the plot, but this time they kinda reset the characters too. Except Bernard, poor guy's role is still to piece together what happened and explain things to the audience.
The very first time I saw Rehoboam sitting in the lobby of an office building that anybody could just stroll into, my first thought was, "That's a red herring, right? It's not actually just sitting out in the open lobby of a random office building. It's gotta exist in some super secret facility or as some array of satellites around the world or something."
Nope. It's actually just sitting there. Dolores could have driven a motorcycle strapped with C4 in there and blown the damn thing up in the first episode of the season and boom: no more system for controlling humanity.
I'll usually keep watching a show even if the quality goes down but I think I'm out. Some cool overarching themes this season but the execution was just terrible. Bernard didnt need to exist. Maeve didnt need to exist. I actually started to get upset when I saw stubbs face on my screen towards the end there. Hale was a pretty good storyline -- too bad she's just generic big bad for next season now.
Speaking of execution -- something about the final episode felt surreal to me. I don't really know enough about film to describe why but the entire sequence where Aaron Paul was invading incite is a good example. It legitimately felt like a CW show or satirical almost. Not sure if that makes sense.
Speaking of execution -- something about the final episode felt surreal to me. I don't really know enough about film to describe why but the entire sequence where Aaron Paul was invading incite is a good example. It legitimately felt like a CW show or satirical almost. Not sure if that makes sense.
So I get that Caleb is being manipulated by Dolores to be the "Judas Steer" for humanity, but I have no idea how he personally will be the one responsible for mankind's undoing.
What could this one human do that Dolores can't? (Besides survive an EMP)
And some people still think they are making all this up as they go along. If that's true then they do a hell of a job paying off the tiniest details.
The post credit scene from season 2 looked like it took place many years in the future but who the fuck knows at this point.
Solomon
Solomon is a complex, quantum AI and one of the earlier versions of what would eventually become Rehoboam. Despite its advanced nature, the system was deemed too unpredictable and stored away with a different task. Dolores remarked that the system inherited some of its creator's traits, almost...
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Solomon is the schizophrenic AI brainchild of Serac's brother Jean Mi who's now in stasis. Serac can't let the AI go just like he can't let his brother go.
Seeing some of the complaints it proves to me that dumbing down the show isn't worth it because even if you go to painstaking lengths to explain something people still won't get it.
Like there are people that are confused why Dolores did what she did and I'm like...what the fuck lol
Like there are people that are confused why Dolores did what she did and I'm like...what the fuck lol
*screams childishly* I'm gonna be a HERO! I'm gonna SAVE THE WORLD!!!
Ehh, the idea of a leader and followers is so generic, I don't find this particularly clever. The same lines were referenced in season 2, with Akecheta leading the herd of hosts to the Valley Beyond. It's just not that difficult to write something that pays off the Judas steer dialogue, so it doesn't feel that rewarding. *shrugs*
Don't forget Solomon, an AI we first heard about last episode. It was in a facility with thousand of frozen people and had... three guards.
Really bad writing, directing and editing. Just look at the sequence where Caleb enters the riot. He meets some randoms that are supposed to help him. There's a back and forth with "I want to go to Incite" "you can't". Welp, guess they don't want to do the job they are paid to do.
Caleb just stands there and looks around, suddenly there some gas shot at them, but whatever, Giggles pops up and saves him from a grenade he easily could have dogded. He has some goodies for Caleb, Ash is on demo, he is on crowd control. This is Suicide Squad territory: walking and talking unecessary exposition while being in an action sequence.
Ash wants to destroy the power grid, so apparently they are not hired to help Caleb, they were just there. "You want to get to incite? there's your ride" You see a police vehicle land. Caleb just walks to it. Oh no! One cop sees him, but Giggles dives in front in time. "Stay with him Ash, he needs you". So much emotion... Notice the music during this entire riot sequence too. Either nothing or some calm ambient music.
The dichotomy of the show is accurately represented between MIBs therapy session with his past selves and then his death/removal so soon after that session.