Kingdom Heart 3's ending was famously not on the disc and required a day 1 patch iirc.
Another example is Tony Hawk 5 where just the demo was on the disc 99% of the game was downloaded in the day 1 patch.
Well it's that time of year again, Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl copies out in the wild and leaking (SPOILERS)
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Another example is Tony Hawk 5 where just the demo was on the disc 99% of the game was downloaded in the day 1 patch.
yeah, I agree. I'm the same with buying GOTY versions of games. I scrambled to get the FE Fates special edition just because it was the only way to have all 3 paths on cart. the appeal of a physical copy is definitely lost for me when the postgame can just become locked forever (outside of hacks) should Nintendo decide to stop running their switch severs. maybe future production runs of the game could have the patch on cart
I think Nintendo has done this for a fair amount of their games so wouldn't be surprised. That said, good luck figuring out which versions have the patch included.
I think not but you get multiples of them now? At least from gym leaders I think.
The only reason I can think of is COVID affecting production in this instance. Game wasn't ready when the cartridges needed to go gold so they printed what they had and the patch should add missing stuff (Intro video, Music, Post Game Areas).
Granted, if they did need more time to finish, the game could have been delayed (and I know someone is going to say The Pokemon Company wouldn't allow it due to it messing up with tie in merch and anime and tcg stuff... but from a consumers perspective where you shouldn't care about that brand synergy at all. They could have delayed it until everything was done for the gold print.)
Doesn't look like they specifically have fights, but they can show up in Battle Tower as opponents.
Single use unfortunately, it seems you get multiple from Gym leaders at least, but if you need more copies you need to farm them which appears to be done via the underground this time.
What is going on here? "It doesn't matter how you, the person here on the discussion forum sees the game, it matters how I have decided the developers see it based on my assumptions from the outside." It's just weird man, they pull in details from the other 'completely separate' game so obviously it's not apples and oranges.
There are many reasons they could give in the justification of a design philosophy that would lead to these games leaning towards D/P. What if it's because they're sitting on some Platinum update for after PLA comes out? We don't know, so I don't think condescending to users that think it's a weird or bad choice is fair or necessary.
Note that some of these may not be version exclusive due to the new Underground functionality, but details are unknown at this time.
Looking at the encounter data it sounds like they've kept all the original encounters, so stuff like Houndoom and Scyther are exclusives in the overworld, but are available in both games in the Underground due to being in the Platinum Dex .
Note that some of these may not be version exclusive due to the new Underground functionality, but details are unknown at this time.
Love how Tyranitar and Aggron went from version opposites in XY to being exclusives in the same game here. Aggron got downgraded to the Walrein line as its counterpart, poor thing (although it makes way more sense).
Note that some of these may not be version exclusive due to the new Underground functionality, but details are unknown at this time.
Now I'm wondering if all non-mythical mon, and by extension the Shiny Charm, will be obtainable without HOME.
I don't think any gifts for past gen starters have been found though.
EDIT: The list of mon not accounted for is very short: Past gen starters and Tangela, Tangrowth and Tropius. Which is also very faithful to the originals.
I don't think any gifts for past gen starters have been found though.
EDIT: The list of mon not accounted for is very short: Past gen starters and Tangela, Tangrowth and Tropius. Which is also very faithful to the originals.
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That was the case for LGPE and SwSh, so probably.
That was the secret ending iirc, which is just a teaser for a future game. You at least still got the resolution to KH3's story. (As much of a resolution as that story got, anyway.)
There were two secret endings, delivered separately through patches. They were unrelated to KH3's ending though, which...yeah, I agree with your assessment.
Gotcha, I remembered it being a thing but not the exact details behind it. Makes sense the secret ending was a day 1 patch.
Actually, I don't think the secret ending per se was on the day 1 patch. It was the post-credit scene that was, and the secret ending came out like a week later or something. Might be misremembering though.
And that's why a patch is needed in the 2021 release of Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl and not the 2007 Diamond and Pearl. This is the weirdest "What if" situation I've seen brought up.
Pretty much all game companies do this. It's a way they can still produce the physical media on time in a world where digital is being pushed more. You also would have no idea what was on the cartridge if people weren't leaking stuff.
And once you download it, the game isn't sitting on a cloud server somewhere - you have it saved to the Switch.
In the case of Sword, the expansion pass was DLC. It wasn't even developed at the time of release.
New trailer just dropped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrr6ZF23RUE
They got the games needed for Mew and Jirachi the wrong way round lol
They got the games needed for Mew and Jirachi the wrong way round lol
In the comments they've said this:
so we should be able to find out the full list of version exclusive legendaries and other post-game stuff from tomorrow onwards.
Confirmed so far:
Brilliant Diamond: Raikou, Entei, Suicune, and Ho-Oh
Shining Pearl: Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, and Lugia
and from clicking the link in the comments, I've seen this:
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So what if they do? It's still shitty. I don't care about the company's reasons when it affects me as an end user having to clog up storage space on my Switch because they can't be bothered to finish their games.
And yes, of course I would know, because I played the original Diamond and would notice not being able to get into the area where Pal Park was and where the Battle Zone should be.
My point is, I want everything on the cartridge and not having to depend on patches and downloads. I'm aware that it was developed after. That's the whole reason I bought the physical version, because the expansion is on the cartridge.
Nintendo Support: How to Update Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Pokémon Shining Pearl
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Patch notes.
Oh so they actually will patch in an opening movie.Nintendo Support: How to Update Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Pokémon Shining Pearl
Patch notes.
Nintendo Support: How to Update Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Pokémon Shining Pearl
Patch notes.
No mention of updated music...uh oh
A nice nod to the DS cartridges.
If all the slates are like this, they're hella cute.
I would imagine/hope "Other adjustments and corrections were made to improve the gameplay experience." (at least on UK support page) is referring to the Music.
It's not shitty. You're not being charged extra. If those things were actually in the game, you'd still have pretty much the same space taken up.
That's fine. But that was 13-14 years ago. The internet has evolved. We have smartphones now. Complaining about internet features/requirement is nonsensical.
And that's great that you bought the physical version. You brought it up in an argument that they release games unfinished. They released a finished game (whether or not it was up to your standards is opinion) and then 6months later, the first piece of DLC completely separate from the game came out.
Physical game collecting has become very annoying in this way yeah. I specifically only collect physical games that are satisfyingly complete without a patch. Otherwise I go digital.
It takes a lot of research sometimes though, annoying. Also switch games often get patches on the cart in later releases but there's no way to differentiate them just from the box (you need to put the cart in your switch to see the version) which is a whole other rabbithole.
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Yes it is shitty. No, I wouldn't, because it would be on the cartridge.
Complaining about having complete games with title screen intros and the post game content from 15 years ago is nonsensical? Really?
I'm not calling SwSh unfinished. I'm bringing up SwSh + Expansion Pass up as a good thing because everything is on the cartridge. I'm calling BDSP unfinished, which it is.
Please stop making excuses for them. It's dumb.
It's good to know the intro is being added in but it's also wild that it's not on the cartridge. The patch doesn't mention the music which is worrying, but there's no way it can be final right? Going to wait and see what other postgame content the patch adds in before I make a decision on whether to buy or not. The postgame stuff so far sounds rad but I don't think it's quite enough to justify full price yet
This may have happened because they were accounting for possible delays due to covid.Yes it is shitty. No, I wouldn't, because it would be on the cartridge.
Complaining about having complete games with title screen intros and the post game content from 15 years ago is nonsensical? Really?
I'm not calling SwSh unfinished. I'm bringing up SwSh + Expansion Pass up as a good thing because everything is on the cartridge. I'm calling BDSP unfinished, which it is.
Please stop making excuses for them. It's dumb.
Would you have minded if they delayed the physical release by a few weeks but had everything on the cartridge?
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No, I wouldn't have minded. At least then the physical version would be complete.
Yeah, as much as day one patches have become common nowadays, launching without actual content on the cart is really a bad sign. This game was rushed and that's clear. It may turn out fine, and most people will have the day one patch and play the game just fine.Yes it is shitty. No, I wouldn't, because it would be on the cartridge.
Complaining about having complete games with title screen intros and the post game content from 15 years ago is nonsensical? Really?
I'm not calling SwSh unfinished. I'm bringing up SwSh + Expansion Pass up as a good thing because everything is on the cartridge. I'm calling BDSP unfinished, which it is.
Please stop making excuses for them. It's dumb.
But calling a build without intro, ending, important content and features a retail-ready build really raises an eyebrow.
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Yeah I think that would have been the better course of action, not sure why they didn't choose to do that.
Oh, you're right, looks like each slate if shaped after the cart of the original games they're from. Nice.
Because it's coming in hot to be out before Black Friday. Plus for like 95% of people no one cares. Day 1 patches are expected.
Because outside of a bubble, most will not be affected. If you look at the comments in the youtube section a lot of people were confused to why there is a patch since the majority does not follow the leaks to know x feature or etc is not in the game yet and mentioning the game isn't even out yet.
Casuals or whoever goes into this blindly are not going to be affected by lack of title screen or end game content coming in Day 1 patch.
Maybe the physical game is "unfinished" because of the leaks (in previous years).
That way, people rip/leak unfinished games and spread incomplete information; rather than everything.
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That way, people rip/leak unfinished games and spread incomplete information; rather than everything.
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Are...people too... young (?) to recognize those are original GB carts, not GBA or DS?
Oh god I am old