Watching all the Anime Classics for the first time, list in the OP & suggestions welcome [Previously LTTP Eva Thread]
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They need to be born after the 2nd impact
have a compatible soul in the Eva, like Shinji's and Asuka's mothers in Eva-01/02.
From a narrative perspective, they continuously point out that they are traumatizing children by making them do this. It's what the plot entails. There are constant fights among the adults as to whether this is ethical or not. The children, meanwhile, are all coming to terms in their own ways as to how they are going to accept this. One wants to be an adult, one just wants to please people, and the other is doing it as a form of communicating with their estranged parent. Mix in the fact that teenage emotions are what give the story almost all of its psychological horror, it makes sense that sexuality would also come in to play as these kids are going through puberty and that's part of their chaotic emotions.
Two halves of an incredible whole imo. You can't have one without the other.
End of Evangelion is amazing. The Rebuild movies I'm a little annoyed with. The last one in particular borders on self-parody, it feels like they learned some bad lessons from the production of the original series.
I believe that preview was made for the director's cut episodes on VHS which came out after the movie.
I believe that preview was made for the director's cut episodes on VHS which came out after the movie.
It was but there are early scripts that basically confirm those scenes were storyboarded and intended for the finale two episodes before being scrapped due to time constraints.
I love Evangelion so much I even have a few genga from the show
There's kind of a thing in anime/manga I've noticed of pairing two characters who act as foil for one another: one who succeeds by being brash and forceful, the other succeeds by being passive and adaptive. They're usually color coded red and blue, respectively. The former pushes against resistance, the latter flows with it. Often they are associated with symbols like angry land animals for the former, and then water or fish for the latter. There's Mugen and Jin, Jet and Spike, and I've always liked how Evangelion has two of these sets - Misato and Ritsuko, AND Asuka and Rei.
Edit: I totally didn't know this existed as an entry on TV Tropes, but of course it does: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedOniBlueOni
Fun fact:So yeah been on an Anime classics kick as of late now that a lot of them are on netflix here and its fast and easy to watch after work.
So after Black Lagon and Trigun.
Neon was up next.... OW BOY where to even start.
I just could not get over the fact that it has so much sexual tension / almost hentai and with kids just not ok seriously...... not cool.
Some eps felt like I was put on a list of some kind just by watching it.
I can't be the only one right?
Also the insane pressure on these kids (yeah yeah I know its just an anime made up story) is completely unrealistic also still have no clue why only a bunch of 14 year olds can pilot the eva's?
Setting and the setup of the story was very confusing and did not help at all that a lot of major explanation of what some of the fundamental terms and institutions and characters are explained in like ep 16 and in the first 16 eps you just had to guess well I think this means this and just hope you got it correctly.
But setup it self was simple enough to understand and was well done but did not help the show to explain so much so late in the series.
Sure gets the show going but I can also see how it confuses folks maybe even to the point of giving up on it.
Show itself was awesome really enjoyed the animation and the story lines, it had humor like pen pen was great! :D
The fighting though brief most times was well done and the creature designs most of the time made no sense but they were awesome and well done.
Design of the Eva's were awesome and loved the crazy city contraptions of going underground and the insane size of the Nerv HQ underground with the amount of space they needed for Eva's and all of the people working there.
Best part of the show as all the strong woman and female leads in position of power and people actually listened to them and they could "save the day" on their own and had lives of their own outside of work (not a lot of it) but that was also part of the story that ouside of work most of the main characters don't have anything in their lives.
Shinji was alright bit of a drag at times but mostly just typical anime trope teenage male.
Misato was offc the best but I guess that is not new to anyone who has been a fan of the show for a lot longer I assume.
And offc that ending, been hearing about that ending for like 20 years now.
And yes as far as I'm concerned ep 25 and 26 are a favor dream that the animation team had after doing a lot of drugs I assume.
Felt like some a '90s cartoon of what a "head shrink" was suppose to be.
Did not hate it or anything just freaking weird as well hell.
Loved the "modern life" bit that was cute and well done and you can clearly see that the entire budget of ep 25/26 went into that part.
Also yeah even though I know MGS inside out I know understand it even more and wow Kojima has no shame does he? Lifted entire parts right out :D
So I have checked the wiki and there is more but its VERY confusing what I should watch next and more is coming?
Honestly read the wiki about what comes next twice and still could not make any sense of it.
Next up what ever is left of this series and then Akira
In its original airing in Japan, it took up the timeslot of the Japanese dub of the 80s TMNT cartoon, every Wednesday's 6:30pm on TV Tokyo. Evangelion was treated as a kiddy show the same way as TMNT.
Fun fact:
All the EVA movies, including the End of Evangelion have a G-rating on Japan, so children were free to watch this on cinemas unsupervised.
I'm aware that the movie was based on an earlier script for episode 25 that was ultimately scrapped, but I'm not aware that it's been made public. I have read an early script for episode 24 though, which was quite interesting.
The preview lunarworks is talking about contains animatics that are identical to scenes in the movie, notably the battle between Unit-2 and the Eva Series. That doesn't check out to me given the gulf in animation quality and the fact that they had all the Evas redesigned. That makes sense in a stand alone production like a movie, not in a weekly TV series.
I had mixed feelings on the Rebuild movies after I got done watching them a couple months ago. Don't really want to delve too much into spoilers for OP, but I liked some parts, hated others, and thought some bits were just plain stupid. I'm glad I actually watched them, but I don't think I'll ever revisit them.
Yep, scripts for 25 and 26 are out there, they're pretty similar to EoE though and definitely aren't as intriguing as the early ep 24 drafts.
Also you are right, my apologies. For some reason, my brain went animatic=storyboard and I was thinking about those storyboards of Ritsuko's body in the water and Misato slumped on the ground after being shot that are in the preview. I thought those were also only in the DC but I haven't seen the originals in so long, I could be totally wrong.
If you ignore the Death(True) bit, that's a genuinely good viewing order that I would recommend. There's even a convenient credits sequence in the middle of EoE to indicate when you should switch to 25/26.
Apparently happened here in the UK, when mainstream channels were desperate to jump on the Pokémon bandwagon. They tried to edit it to be kid-friendly and shove it into a Sunday morning block, or something? It was off air even quicker than Sailor Moon (whose butchered dub we had to edit even more to make it acceptable!)...
End of Eva is still stuck in my mind space. Its certainly memorable.
What other end of series productions were even comparable to that one?
What other end of series productions were even comparable to that one?
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Tried watching it myself a while back and thought it was awful and boring. No idea why everyone is so fucking obsessed with it.
I've always thought 25/26 and EOE are the same events viewed in different perspectives just like some ppl earlier in this thread suggested
all 3 endings (TV, EOE, Rebuilds) are excellent
all 3 endings (TV, EOE, Rebuilds) are excellent
Well there's some stuff that is more of a look at the awkwardness as you're trying to parse sexuality at that age... and there's stuff that's "look at this hot 14 year old."
I barely remember anything besides liking Part 3 and absolutely hating part 4.
Yeah it's great.
You should only watch it after finishing the Rebuild movies though because it's mostly about the making of the last movie so there are some spoilery footages in there.
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Thanks for all the nice replies and responses everyone really did help a lot can't wait to check out EoE now and the rest of those movies :D
Yeah it gives great insight into just directing in general and how obsessive someone like anno can be. You can tell that last movie was a real real struggle for him and his team, it probably explains why the fourth rebuild is such a Frankensteins monster of a movie.
iono OP i think EoE might be an ignorance is bliss kind of situation
lol
whoa blowing my mind.
like literally every anime lol
lol
whoa blowing my mind.
like literally every anime lol
I honestly think I should divorce myself from you cunts.
Over twenties years of you folks questioning shit without actually questioning...
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Yes, the sexualization in the original Evangelion is pretty rampant (each episode ends with a naked Rei spinning), and people will deny it just because the Rebuilds are worse about it.
I hated the first 3 Rebuilds but loved the 4th one and liked it more as a finale to the Evangelion saga than the TV show or EOE. Dunno what that says about me.
I hated the first 3 Rebuilds but loved the 4th one and liked it more as a finale to the Evangelion saga than the TV show or EOE. Dunno what that says about me.
Space Runaway Ideon's ending movie Be Invoked was basically EOE before EOE.
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Perhaps there were major sequences that were intended to air as part of that finale, or intrinsic truths to how Anno's staff saw the show ending. But there are too many points that just don't gel without those same sequences being tinkered, reworked, or adjusted for the movie to match with it's far bleaker, far more nihilistic and self-destructive tone. As if there were extended runs of shots that they felt committed to (I'm gonna say the ones that were already in-progress or most expensive...), but looked to where they could add beats to make it just the ugliest version of itself.
There's a lot of deeply dark moments in the show, almost to the point of abject comedy, but EoE extends it to feeling outright sickeningly cruel. Shinji's final moment in the show is just so at-odds with what feels like a satirical play on expectations you get in the first half of EoE.
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Ideon's having a hell of a week on Era. These past few days is probably the most Google searches of Ideon people have made.
This might be from supplemental materials, like one of the games, but I think the idea was that kids older than 14 are more independent and less reliant on their mothers, so they can't sync with the Evas.
Let us know how you like it!!! I watched the show and EOE for the first time finally a few years ago. What an experience.
Just prep yourself, I think the movie is EOE is good but its a LOT.
It goes a bit further than anime. It's an archetypal conflict that has existed for as long as stories have.
Devilman crybaby fucked me up pretty hard but that's probably because it's my first and only point of reference to the series. PLUS I never knew until recently that devilman actually inspired some of evangelion
tbh I wouldn't call it 'horny' at all cuz of the contexts that the sexual stuff happens in. I feel like horny implies that it could be enjoyable but it's basically all extremely awkward and inappropriate and sometimes awful.
They did the same in mainland China before anime was completed banned from primetime TV. They changed the evangelion/angel name to downplay the religious theme, cut some plots, and renamed title song "cruel angel" to "beautiful angel" to make it seem more upbeat. But somehow, the last two episodes remain mostly intact. It got so much complaints from both parents and anime fans that it never had reruns before China stopped showing animes on TV all together.
In Japan, Pokemon had nearly the same timeslot as Evangelion on the same channel.
Eva was Wednesday's 6:30pm on TV Tokyo
Pokemon was Tuesday's 6:30pm on TV Tokyo
Mind you these are the original broadcast versions of each so more or less, it was deemed acceptable for Children for airing, but that's why there were tons of angry phone calls from Japanese parents.
I watched it when it hit NF years ago and I really don't need to see more. Good music, okay ideas and really weird ending aside, it has way too much sexualization of kids for me to support it by watching more even if the stuff after dropped all of it.
Like I get that they were going for themes and stuff but I just can't stand it
Like I get that they were going for themes and stuff but I just can't stand it
I first watched it on Netflix after hearing the hype for 15 years or so and thought it was great. So yes. It's super easy to imagine why someone would dislike it though.
I keep hearing people describe Eva as "horny" but I do not recall it as such. I haven't seen it since I was 16 though. Is it really that bad, particularly compared to anime these days?
Depends what you are comparing it too I guess but it's always had an element of it. In the OG series at least there was usually a context for it.
The rebuild movies take it a whole other level though, especially the last one
To me bad is something like High School DxD, which I can't even justify watching.
It's not horny in a way you'd describe most popular anime. Like the whole medium has so much tossed-off objectifying fan-service that, in the most charitable framing, is intended to be played off as "fun", ignoring any critique around the male gaze and anime. But Shinji ain't getting a nosebleed that's only missing a laugh track. His relationship to women and sexuality is so apprehensive and yet all-encompassing, like every interaction becomes a source of trauma for him.
It's moreso horny in a way that feels pretty uncomfortable and leery... sometimes intentionally? Like the cliche "guy falls into girl's chest" bullshit happens here, and instead if the sadly expected "bo-ing" sound cue, it's a cold, awkward, deeply unsettling experience in a featureless dark room beside a waste bin filled with bloody bandages, ontop of a girl completely devoid of a reaction that her aloofness makes this feel even more perverse. Again, the camera gets leery in some overt and gross ways, lampshading how it's interested in Shinji's sexual repression and discomfort with women, but occasionally it gets ugly in a way that does feel... appropriate. Again, sometimes.
But End of Evangelion, right out the bat, explicitly cuts to the core of how much Shinji skirts up against being an incel-like "nice guy" and completely dives over that fence and embraces him being a shitty, ineffectual, hateful pathetic little worm of a person. It's worth reiterating how much End of Eva is a pretty explicit "fuck you" to elements of the fandom and the entitled otaku culture in-general.
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