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Watch Dogs: Legion: Gamescom 2019 – Play as Anyone Explained
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In other words whatever Watch Dogs 4 is probably already started development. See, this is how AAA development is SUPPOSED to be done. Also good because I prefer defined characters so presumably the next game will offer that.
In any case, what happened to Ubisoft being at the big Gamescom conference? I was looking forward to a bit more gameplay than this.
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They'll be doing hands on demos and presumably they'll allow people to record and post the footage online like at e3.
They're doing their own thing this weekend (I think it's called Ubisoft Experience or something) in which they're streaming around an hour of the game and answering Reddit questions. I think it's this Thursday.
See, all it takes is a brilliant out of the box designer like Clint and the AAA space can be innovative at any time. In ways most people can't begin to imagine. All people here ever talk about is pushing graphics and shit, but it's stuff like this crazy play anyone mechanics that we actually need more of. AAA games have settled into a holding pattern, despite the fact that current gen hardware is really capable to doing just about anything a designer can imagine... now if only they dared to imagine.
Clint Hocking is insane.
As for machine learning... we'll get there soon. Just look at deep fakes, voice gen, AI phone calls, fake human photos, etc. It's already happening, and soon much side and even main content will be generated by machines. But to get there, we need a first foray, which is what this game is attempting.
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Clint Hocking is insane.
You're right, procedural generation will never have the intimate attention to detail of a thoroughly handcrafted experience. Yet sometimes there are ideas that require procedural generation to be realized at all. This would certainly be a different game if there were of a set of 5 to 10 swappable characters that were hand made, and might lead to a more personal story, but it wouldn't be organic the way this system seems to be. So much in games are an illusion anyway, this is just another method of expanding those illusions. You should be skeptical, but let's wait until the game is out to see how long it can maintain a sense of believability to its random characters. I think this is a step above the Shadow games.
As for machine learning... we'll get there soon. Just look at deep fakes, voice gen, AI phone calls, fake human photos, etc. It's already happening, and soon much side and even main content will be generated by machines. But to get there, we need a first foray, which is what this game is attempting.
I realize this, and I don't mean to be so negative about the entire future of this train of thinking. And I do agree that it is ambitious and impressive. I just don't know that we're quite yet at the level to escape the sensation that we can see the gears turning, which always seems to want to be what the developers want me to believe when they sell this sort of system.
And when it comes to all of those horrendous things that come along with it, trust me, I'm in no rush for us to get there. It can wait.
Thanks for the effort with the OP!
I lived and worked in London for a while and really look forward to this. There is something interesting about a game being all about the meta-narrative that you're creating rather than immersing you in one character. Like a Sims for action games.
Bring it home, Clint Hocking.
I lived and worked in London for a while and really look forward to this. There is something interesting about a game being all about the meta-narrative that you're creating rather than immersing you in one character. Like a Sims for action games.
Bring it home, Clint Hocking.
But can you really recruit anyone and everyone? And every single one is a original character and has a original origin story and skills? I don't believe that, the amount of work you have to do for that is insane.
Going back and playing Watch Dogs 1, it's actually a very good somewhat challenging game. People gave it a lot of shit because of the graphics downgrade but I'd say it's better than Watch Dogs 2. I couldn't stop playing.
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What I'm wondering is, will each NPC have a fight/move set of their own? Because I like melee fighting in games like these.
Can't say I care much about the watch dog franchise but the systemic gameplay they've constructed look really cool. Will probably try it out as my first watch game eventually
Whoa. Thanks. I'd like to see some story before I get excited.
I agree. I think WD2 actually gave you too many options. You had ground and aerial drones that could go pretty much anywhere and do anything, you could call cops/gang members to take out enemies, etc. As a result, there wasn't much variety in the challenges you faced because you could solve them all in the same way.
Watch Dogs 2 was super unappreciated I feel, this game looks super interesting too so I am quite excited
Devs have mentioned game not having (strong) story or how you reached that conclusion?
From what they said it is kinda impossible to have strong characters and story in game like this. Each of those characters you can play with for example is expendable. If you can recruit any NPC it is impossible to have deep background stories. And so on. More gameplay freedom you give, more will story suffer.
I played Watchdogs and thought it was a good introduction to concepts. I haven't played the sequel because it didn't look too different.
This looks not good. Gameplay hooks look generic and clunky, technology powering the game has aged badly and it seems to be lacking character.
It's not an exciting proposition at all.
This looks not good. Gameplay hooks look generic and clunky, technology powering the game has aged badly and it seems to be lacking character.
It's not an exciting proposition at all.
Playing as elderly people and pub louts in London is what excites me most about this game.
Roleplaying potential looks really good! I'm curious to see how they'll incorporate online.
I won't even mind if their character generation/backstory database isn't all it's cracked up to be.
As long as they don't completely regress from the WD2 gameplay and tone, then I'm set.
Roleplaying potential looks really good! I'm curious to see how they'll incorporate online.
I won't even mind if their character generation/backstory database isn't all it's cracked up to be.
As long as they don't completely regress from the WD2 gameplay and tone, then I'm set.
I guess my 'joke' didn't land. It's a reference to Ubi in the past stating their games aren't making political statements, when they clearly are. I get that it's political obviously jesus christ lol
This looks way better than I expected. Can't wait to get it. Love that they went straight up John Wick with some of the combat.
This is more like the Sims than The Last of Us. You are given the tools to build your own story as you see fit in the context of the game world and its systems. It looks like a better more nuanced and open RPG than most actual RPGs.
No. All of your characters can just die.
Well there is that AI and some speculate that in a sense AI is main character.
I mentioned in a prior topic on this game that I kind of hope there are powered up versions of the normal character arch types found through out the world at large. Thinking like a John Wick style bad ass who has all his stats and abilities geared to being the ultimate one many army with all kinds of gunkata and martial arts flair. Could even make it so acquiring these characters is a big side mission in of itself that requires a lot of skill and cleverness. Could also add characters like this as DLC to extend the games life some.
There'll probably be some differentiation based on character class and maybe a few other factors, but that's as far as it can realistically go. If you compare a 20-year-old specialised in melee combat with a 90-year-old hacker than I'm sure they'll have different sets of moves, but the 20-year old combat specialist is probably going to have the same move set as another 20-year-old combat specialist.
Very ambitious.
Can't wait.
Is there multiplayer?
Invading other people's games to kill em was fun
Can't wait.
Is there multiplayer?
Invading other people's games to kill em was fun
I know what it is. I am just saying that we can't expect deep characters and amazing story with this kind of gameplay. And how you enter the building and how you kill the target is not something I consider that interesting story wise.
After the colossal disappointment and step backwards for the series that was Watch Dogs 2, I'm very pleasantly surprised how good this game is looking. I am hyped.
Its more like a D&D campaign in that you choose the character(s), take them on an adventure and grow them as they go along. That's what I was referring to. Its not going for extensive cut scenes or the like but doing things in a far more organic, or at least that's how it seems so far.
TFW you use the profiling system to figure out the daily schedule of the officer who arrested you just so you can get him back with an invisible suplex.
I haven't been following the game much but god damn that's a solid suplex. I think only Mad Max had a better one in recent years.
Played 1 and skipped 2 and wasn't going to bother with this one but this deffo has peaked my interest.
The animation work is really impressive. Between this trailer and what they've shown at E3 I've already seen a shit ton of unique stuff. I really like that the different character types have a completely different set of animations.
The writing can still be good. Watchdogs 2 had the strongest writing of any of the recent Ubisoft games by far. They went for a more episodic structure with the story and I think that could work for this game as well. Of course it'd take more effort considering the amount of variation but after WD2 I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now.
Watch Dogs is inherently political and this is set after Brexit lol
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This is hella ambitious, hopefully it sticks the landing. Didn't know Clint Hocking's hands were all over this, gonna be systemic as hell. Been a while since there was a London set game and this is super political against Brexit woohoo!
