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Griselbrand · Aug 9, 2021

Speaking of, what does everyone think of the new Killteam? I watched the GMG review and saw the gameplay overview on the main GW channel and it looks like a hit to me.

Some of the changes like the use of symbols for movement are not my thing. The movement tool apparently already has 1"/2"/3" sides apparently (or something close to it) so why not use that instead? I'm not sure I want a little cardboard chit next to all my minis either but of course that can go on the unit cards anyway if you make one for each model. And I've played Infinity in the past so having tons of markers on the board isn't crazy for me necessarily.

I don't think I'll get the boxed set but I'll definitely get the rules and supplemental books and whatever token sets I may need. Just glad there aren't special dice or anything.

Redcrayon · Aug 9, 2021

Having a killteam box as ten literally cloned guardsmen vs a dozen orks clearly shows that representation of women in warhammer has gone too far /s
(Not that I think the DKoK was a bad choice or anything, I just think it's crazy that chuds complain about a woman being the centrepiece of an Age of Sigmar box when the next 3 40K sets in a row are all multiple variants of humanity represented exclusively by male super soldiers.)

Ah I'll check out the 'how to play' video, cheers!

Jimbobsmells · Aug 9, 2021

I guess once kill team preorders are out of the way it'll be a week of build up to Warhammer plus?
Edit: pretty sure that guy must be under instructions to smile after every sentence he says in the videos lol. Now I see it I can't stop noticing it.

Drax · Aug 9, 2021

Redcrayon said:
With the Emperor's champion mini, I quite like the rosarius in the off-hand. The main thing I don't like is showing the flat of the blade to the enemy just so it can show off the engraved text and the cross-hilt. But that's nothing you can't fix with a hobby knife in a couple of minutes

I also think the new emperor's champion kinda works better in a group shot cuz of the aforementioned sword. I think the old one is a better solo figure.

Nazo · Aug 9, 2021

Yeah, not a particularly big fan of the champion. It's very plain. There's almost nothing going on with it. It might be the least detailed primaris model yet. Which is kind of insane.

The chest and leg armor having literally nothing on them is so painfully boring and makes the armor feel like an empty void. I was also hoping the sword would look more like the one the 30k sigismund model has but this just looks like an updated version of the classic one which is kinda disappointing (to me at least).

Man, I really hope this isn't the style they're going for with Black Templars at large because that will quite literally ruin what little of a model range they have planed for them on sheer aesthetics alone.

Deleted member 29682 · Aug 9, 2021

Honestly even if I think the Champion is a bit plain, it's only a couple of purity seals away from looking a whole lot better, which is a much easier fix than some other models I'm not 100% on.

Matttimeo · Aug 9, 2021

Griselbrand said:
Speaking of, what does everyone think of the new Killteam? I watched the GMG review and saw the gameplay overview on the main GW channel and it looks like a hit to me.

Some of the changes like the use of symbols for movement are not my thing. The movement tool apparently already has 1"/2"/3" sides apparently (or something close to it) so why not use that instead? I'm not sure I want a little cardboard chit next to all my minis either but of course that can go on the unit cards anyway if you make one for each model. And I've played Infinity in the past so having tons of markers on the board isn't crazy for me necessarily.

I don't think I'll get the boxed set but I'll definitely get the rules and supplemental books and whatever token sets I may need. Just glad there aren't special dice or anything.

I'm looking forward to it. Got a lot of fun out of Warcry (although I've had disappointing few games of it since it came out) and KT2 seems enough like it that I'm keen to see how it plays. Got no love for the moral phrase so glad its gone and although I'm a little sad to see specialists go in match play they always felt a little underwhelming, especially once you started playing 125pt games. I still really dislike the use of symbols for distances and honestly that feels like a cynical attempt on GWs part to sell their custom measure templates rather then a choice made to improve the game. But I can get used to it and the worst come to the worst I can just write the distances all over my copy of the rules. Price depending, but I'll probably get the big box this Saturday. I do love the new models and given it includes all the doodads you would need to buy anyway (terrain, rules, tokens etc) then it probably won't be too bad a deal.

Digital Dinosaur · Aug 9, 2021

I want to try KT 2. I really like Warcry and agreed with a lot of the criticisms of the last version of Kill Team. The symbol stuff is ehhh, but I like how all the general concepts sound.

Also, to be frank, I have a lot of 40k orks and I'd really like a lot of bespoke ork terrain pieces.

Drax · Aug 9, 2021

Yeah looking at the goonhammer review of the ork terrain. I'm pumped

Bombless · Aug 11, 2021

They turned the line of sight shenanigans up to 11 in this new KT.

Matttimeo · Aug 11, 2021

Bombless said:
They turned the line of sight shenanigans up to 11 in this new KT.

Those are a real important set of rules right there. I didn't realise going in just how much the engage/conceal rule would govern the game but all the playthroughs I've see so far feel like they are almost stealth games video games with all the creeping around and using cover to block LOS. Not sure if the high stealth gameplay will continue especially once actual Space Marines hit the table but its interesting to see for sure. Very different from KT1.

Bombless · Aug 12, 2021

Matttimeo said:
Those are a real important set of rules right there. I didn't realise going in just how much the engage/conceal rule would govern the game but all the playthroughs I've see so far feel like they are almost stealth games video games with all the creeping around and using cover to block LOS. Not sure if the high stealth gameplay will continue especially once actual Space Marines hit the table but its interesting to see for sure. Very different from KT1.

Yeah, it does open up a ton of fun plays, like kommandos being able to charge from stealth.

Also the breacher kommando bulldozing through walls to charge is incredible.

Frustrating fact, my local store wasn't able to secure even a single KT2 armies compendium book....

Jimbobsmells · Aug 12, 2021

Wait, surely the compendium is included in the box set? Right?

Deleted member 29682 · Aug 12, 2021

I really shouldn't have assembled my GSC a couple of weeks before the compendium, oh well at least I had fun putting them together. I'll just have to hope I can shoehorn them into some convincing specialist roles, though I'm hearing some rumblings that the non-dedicated Fire Teams (i.e. not Kommandos or Krieg Veterans) are a little vanilla. Guess we'll know for sure this weekend when the compendium NDA ends.

LTWheels · Aug 12, 2021

Jimbobsmells said:
Wait, surely the compendium is included in the box set? Right?

No its not included.

The last preview also mentioned on the last paragraph something about them talking more about the future kill team releases this weekend.

From what they have previewed of the rules, the two bespoke teams in the box have much more detailed and unique unit rules than the rules for 'normal' units.

I could see this game being really designed to be played with unique kill teams rather than the normal troop units. I think we will see some more new kill teams previewed this weekend.

I think the compendium will be a sort of a stop gap, bit like the Indexes at the start of 8th edition. Just to let you play with more teams on a basic level.

Bombless · Aug 12, 2021

Jimbobsmells said:
Wait, surely the compendium is included in the box set? Right?

No. The core book only has the rules. The extra Octarius book has the rules and data cards for the two kill teams.

It sucks, tbh.

LTWheels · Aug 12, 2021

At first I wasn't sure about the conceal/engage, but I think I've realised that the game is more of a stealth combat game. A little bit like xcom.

I wond if units like Poxwalkers will be unable to take a conceal order.

grendelrt · Aug 12, 2021

So I am thinking of getting the new kill team octarius box as a starting point into WH40K play (I am an avid lore reader). Would you say KT is a little easier rule set to learn than the normal 40K army based stuff? How hard is it to change out kill teams from different races? Will I be able to add a Space Marine, Necron, etc based KT this same set and play wihtout a dedicated box (looking at LTWheels comment above this may not be true)? Up to this point I was thinking of getting the Command Edition 40K box, but thinking this may be a better entry point?

Edit: Just reading more, so does the box have 100% of the stuff to play with just the 2 factions, those extra rule books would be needed just to play other factions?

Jimbobsmells · Aug 12, 2021

LTWheels said:
I could see this game being really designed to be played with unique kill teams rather than the normal troop units. I think we will see some more new kill teams previewed this weekend.

Looks like you're right.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/12/octarius-is-just-the-beginning-for-a-new-age-of-kill-team/

We'll be getting quarterly releases with new settings and models.

Gareth · Aug 12, 2021

grendelrt said:
So I am thinking of getting the new kill team octarius box as a starting point into WH40K play (I am an avid lore reader). Would you say KT is a little easier rule set to learn than the normal 40K army based stuff? How hard is it to change out kill teams from different races? Will I be able to add a Space Marine, Necron, etc based KT this same set and play wihtout a dedicated box (looking at LTWheels comment above this may not be true)? Up to this point I was thinking of getting the Command Edition 40K box, but thinking this may be a better entry point?

The new Kill Team looks easy enough and faster to play than 40K to me. There's a Kill Team compendium book coming at the launch of the new edition which will have rules for the other 40K factions. You only need a handful of models to get going with Kill Team so it's a pretty good entry point on the miniatures side of things, but it won't be a good entry point for learning 40K's rules as they're completely different honestly. Another factor I'd consider is the size of the player base for each game in your area, if you need to look for opponents. 40K is often the most popular game, though there'll maybe be a bit of buzz around Kill Team with the new edition too.

Drax · Aug 12, 2021

grendelrt said:
So I am thinking of getting the new kill team octarius box as a starting point into WH40K play (I am an avid lore reader). Would you say KT is a little easier rule set to learn than the normal 40K army based stuff? How hard is it to change out kill teams from different races? Will I be able to add a Space Marine, Necron, etc based KT this same set and play wihtout a dedicated box (looking at LTWheels comment above this may not be true)? Up to this point I was thinking of getting the Command Edition 40K box, but thinking this may be a better entry point?

Edit: Just reading more, so does the box have 100% of the stuff to play with just the 2 factions, those extra rule books would be needed just to play other factions?

1. This is a brand new edition of kill team that's different any other edition of 40k or kill team. So in all honesty, we don't know.

You can check the goonhammer kill team review which has a comparison.

Kill Team 2.0: The Goonhammer Review

The original Kill Team – well, the “original” Kill Team meaning the version of the game that was released during Warhammer 40k’s 8th edition in 2018 – remains one of the more baffling s…

www.goonhammer.com

Kill Team 2.0: Octarius Review

Although we’ve talked at length about the new Kill Team 2.0 in our review, there’s a second, rather hefty, book included in the new box and that’s the Octarius Campaign book. In this review we’ll b…

www.goonhammer.com

2. It's theoretically much cheaper as you would only need the compendium (or battle scribe) and a unit box or two. Instead of having to buy a codex and a combat patrol to start up a small 40k army (,500 points).

3. So basically the kill team has a specific krieg and ork commandos kill team that has rules detailed for them and then only The compendium has a generic imp guard and orc kill team, that's supposedly not as thorough (we will see the reviews on this Sunday). The thinking is the new model will release kill teams similar to the kriegers and orc commandos.

Drax · Aug 12, 2021

Jimbobsmells said:
Looks like you're right.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/12/octarius-is-just-the-beginning-for-a-new-age-of-kill-team/
We'll be getting quarterly releases with new settings and models.

I think this gives alot more credence to the new recent eldar rumors (I don't trust the source yet though).

Griselbrand · Aug 12, 2021

What kind of rumors? Metals to plastic, stuff like that?

grendelrt · Aug 12, 2021

Thanks for the responses, yeah I might bite just because this is so much smaller to get into and self contained.

LTWheels · Aug 12, 2021

Watch some videos on the rules of the new Kill Team. Its not a gateway game to 40k or wargaming. Its actually looks like quite a complex game.

The 9th edition of 40k now has built in rules to scale it to smaller games. I think they call it Combat Patrol. That might be something else to check out.

Drax · Aug 12, 2021

Griselbrand said:
What kind of rumors? Metals to plastic, stuff like that?

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Griselbrand · Aug 12, 2021

Thanks Drax.

All those models need to be updated for sure, the spears more than the spiders I think. Although a refreshed Maugan Ra with the Dark Reapers being brought closer in line to him would be nice.

Drax · Aug 12, 2021

Griselbrand said:
Thanks Drax.

All those models need to be updated for sure, the spears more than the spiders I think. Although a refreshed Maugan Ra with the Dark Reapers being brought closer in line to him would be nice.

If they do it like you have all these units plus a rangers kit built for kill team. I could see it

Drax · Aug 13, 2021

Newest 40k rumors are kinda insane. More then makes up for the dearth that we had this year

Deleted member 29682 · Aug 13, 2021

What rumours are those?

Drax · Aug 13, 2021

Brian Damage said:
What rumours are those?

Oh my bad, on mobile so copying and pasting links are a pita.

I put a lot more stock in the 2021 rumors. As it does sync up with some other rumors and kinda matches the codex road map. The only wild card would be the black templar getting a two month preview box (which is a similar time to the orks limited and normal codex).

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/13/whos-getting-a-new-codex-in-2021-find-out-with-our-road-map-for-warhammer-40000/

[Rumour] 2021: Orks, Black Templars, Custodes, GSC - + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +

[Rumour] 2021: Orks, Black Templars, Custodes, GSC - posted in + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +: Heard third-hand from the same person that provided me with this rumour; to be digested with the usual pinch of salt. September 2021: New Ork releases alongside a Black Templars army box...

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[Rumour] 2022: T'au, CSM kits, Chaos Knights, Eldar, & more - + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +

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www.bolterandchainsword.com

Deleted member 29682 · Aug 13, 2021

Drax said:
Oh my bad, on mobile so copying and pasting links are a pita.

I put a lot more stock in the 2021 rumors. As it does sync up with some other rumors and kinda matches the codex road map. The only wild card would be the black templar getting a two month preview box (which is a similar time to the orks limited and normal codex).

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/08/13/whos-getting-a-new-codex-in-2021-find-out-with-our-road-map-for-warhammer-40000/

[Rumour] 2021: Orks, Black Templars, Custodes, GSC - + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +

[Rumour] 2021: Orks, Black Templars, Custodes, GSC - posted in + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +: Heard third-hand from the same person that provided me with this rumour; to be digested with the usual pinch of salt. September 2021: New Ork releases alongside a Black Templars army box...

www.bolterandchainsword.com

[Rumour] 2022: T'au, CSM kits, Chaos Knights, Eldar, & more - + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +

Page 1 of 2 - [Rumour] 2022: T'au, CSM kits, Chaos Knights, Eldar, & more - posted in + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +: Heard third-hand from the same person that provided me with this rumour; to be digested with the usual pinch of salt. In January 2022, we will get: Tau: Codex with...

www.bolterandchainsword.com

Doesn't sound too crazy to be untrue, but I hope the Custodes/GSC in December isn't based on the art in the roadmap, that's the same placeholder art we saw on a roadmap last year as well which ended up being for Drukhari and Admech, iirc.

Sneaky Gato · Aug 13, 2021

Can you repost them? Posts seem to have been removed

Drax · Aug 13, 2021

Sneaky Gato said:
Can you repost them? Posts seem to have been removed

I honestly don't remember in detail but I will try.

Putting it in spoilers
2021

orks September, bt army box September (crusader squad, emperor champion, seneschal(not sure about this) redemption dreadnought). Oct/Nov general bt release. Dec GC/Custodes battle box with two new hqs). Next kill team warzone is tau pathfinders (upgrade kit supposedly) vs sister's neophytes) with old imperial terrain.

Brian Damage said:
Doesn't sound too crazy to be untrue, but I hope the Custodes/GSC in December isn't based on the art in the roadmap, that's the same placeholder art we saw on a roadmap last year as well which ended up being for Drukhari and Admech, iirc.

Those symbols just mean xenos and imperium.

Sneaky Gato · Aug 13, 2021

Sounds good! Though a Custodes/GSC box seems like a wierd combo

El Bombastico · Aug 13, 2021

Can we PLZ just get a generic Grey Knight HQ kit? Been 10 years since the last kits were released and we still don't have one...

wwm0nkey · Aug 13, 2021

Tau finally getting some love!?m I can paint my boys!?

Poodlestrike · Aug 13, 2021

I saw a dude say that he drinks with a guy who works in the Warhammer World warehouse and he says that that Imperium slot is Custodes.

And Tau is dooooooomed

Drax · Aug 13, 2021

Poodlestrike said:
I saw a dude say that he drinks with a guy who works in the Warhammer World warehouse and he says that that Imperium slot is Custodes.

And Tau is dooooooomed

This guy had the krieg vs orcs box set called over a year ago. ALso, since stuff's been so delayed due to covid etc, just alot more room for leaks. I'll fully admit the 2022 stuff that was rumored seemed incredibly wishlisty.

wwm0nkey · Aug 14, 2021

Poodlestrike said:
I saw a dude say that he drinks with a guy who works in the Warhammer World warehouse and he says that that Imperium slot is Custodes.

And Tau is dooooooomed

I am fine if the blue boys only work well in Kill Team I guess, but will be weird to see them get NEW stuff for KT and not 40k proper.

Bombless · Aug 14, 2021

Well, the compendium reviews are out.
As expected, mixing and matching units of each army is out in favour of 1 unit - 1 fireteam.
Uncle Atom is pissed off, Ash from GMG is excited.

This really should've been part of the Core book since the Octarius kill teams were a separate book anyway.

Deleted member 29682 · Aug 14, 2021

Sounds like an all crunch, no fluff stop-gap index which never feels good to shell out money for. It's obviously way too early to talk about balance at this stage but at first glance Talons and Harlequins just look flat-out better than everyone. Also there seems to be some really weird omissions in what units can/can't be taken: Tyranids can't use Lictors, Eldar can't use Aspect Warriors and Genestealer Cults aren't allowed Genestealers.

I'm not tremendously surprised mind you, but Warcry this ain't.

Bombless · Aug 14, 2021

Like Uncle Atom said, with the new Kill Team expansions coming GW's goal is to make the current armies seem less attractive and make the new ones filled with special actions/rules.

If the next box is indeed Tau vs Sisters it would interest me greatly.

Jimbobsmells · Aug 14, 2021

Got my order in for KT, plus free metal measuring thingy. Had a 30 min wait in the queue which wouldn't have been so bad if I wasn't in the back of a car driving through rural Norfolk at the time and constantly losing signal.

Matttimeo · Aug 14, 2021

Managed to snag a copy of Octavius from GoblinGaming. Honestly I was perhaps a little over aggressive with my haste to buy it, I had the item in my cart like 5 seconds after 10am and they had Octavius in stock for a good 20 minutes or so (looks like it is all gone now though). Think I'm gonna wait on the Compendium for now, kinda want to see where KT is going before I decide to buy it and I'm sure I'll be plenty busy with just the Krieg and Orks.

Drax · Aug 14, 2021

Bombless said:
Well, the compendium reviews are out.
As expected, mixing and matching units of each army is out in favour of 1 unit - 1 fireteam.
Uncle Atom is pissed off, Ash from GMG is excited.

This really should've been part of the Core book since the Octarius kill teams were a separate book anyway.

Honestly, this really kills the custom aspect of space marine teams in particular. It really does seem they're going for the Octarius kill teams with upgrade sprues (since it's apparent the third krieg sprue is kinda designed for kill team only).

grendelrt · Aug 14, 2021

Waiting for the 1pm EST release of Kill Team. Will it just show up on the main page or do i need to go to like box sets , WH40K categories? Guessing jumping into queue around 12:45 since it boots you out after 10 min of being on the site?

SCHUEY 117 · Aug 14, 2021

Kill Team pre-ordered. I'm excited.

Deleted member 9241 · Aug 14, 2021

I'm going to wait on KT and see how well it is supported. I just don't trust GW and their specialist game support. For every Necromunda there is a Shadow War Armageddon.

Gareth · Aug 14, 2021

Got it pre-ordered here too, have a friend just getting into the hobby with this.

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