That was the most likely work around.Bring back the rule that you have to actually speak for the duration.
You also have to do it with itching powder in your underpants.
That was the most likely work around.Bring back the rule that you have to actually speak for the duration.
You also have to do it with itching powder in your underpants.
Some... many of these voters voted GOP down ticket in places... see Collins, SusanVoters did their job they got out to vote in record numbers during a deadly pandemic.
If what they want isn't delivered a lot of them will ask what is the point of voting and they will have a point.
No they won't have a point. I'll take 2010-2016 Obama years with a stalled government over the past four years all day, every day.
Probably had to do with the proximity and grossness of someone literally peeing in a chamber pot at the Senate door while trying to filibuster civil rights by speaking (used to be that you had to constantly speak and the moment you walked off the Senate floor your filibuster ended, so... peeing and pooping while on the Senate floor became a thing). It was also a jim crow move to give more power to more white states. It's stupid. Though, the funny part is, that the rule wasn't used to shut literally everything down till Obama. Before that it wasn't used very often. Went from being used once or twice to a few dozen times to thousands under Obama.
Ok so if I understand this correctly, they created a rule to allow a minority to prevent the majority to rule. And I guess they realized their opposition wouldn't be as shitty as to use it constantly like they are doing (very telling that they started using it much more against Obama).It makes sense if you look at the Republican party as an organization that exists solely to cripple this country through minority rule. They have done everything in their power to achieve that minority rule for decades and decades. This is why rural america has so much power. Whitey wants to remain in power.
Trump was the second most filibustered president. The only major partisan bills pubs passed were through reconciliation which only requires a simple majority but has restrictions.Ok so if I understand this correctly, they created a rule to allow a minority to prevent the majority to rule. And I guess they realized their opposition wouldn't be as shitty as to use it constantly like they are doing (very telling that they started using it much more against Obama).
However, I want to think that Dems would have used it a lot against a monster like Trump thus now Republicans would be on board with removing the rule? Otherwise, what can Dems do?
Ok so if I understand this correctly, they created a rule to allow a minority to prevent the majority to rule. And I guess they realized their opposition wouldn't be as shitty as to use it constantly like they are doing (very telling that they started using it much more against Obama).
However, I want to think that Dems would have used it a lot against a monster like Trump thus now Republicans would be on board with removing the rule? Otherwise, what can Dems do?
Following the results in Georgia, I was really hoping for a solid 2 years of progressive Democratic legislation, but somehow minority Mitch is still able to fuck that dream up, too :/
I am in Arizona and voted for Sinema so I also sent her an email demanding that she end the filibuster. I'm not worried about Kelly but it couldn't hurt for me to email him either.i wrote manchin and sinema too, and requested replies.
i'm not from their states so they might cut me off as not being a constituent. but i'll also contact my senators (ca).
Email Joe | U.S. Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia
The Official U.S. Senate website of Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginiawww.manchin.senate.gov
Contact Kyrsten | Senator Kyrsten Sinema
www.sinema.senate.gov
Edit: gd internet hold upWhy did you expect that? A 50-50 party split (with VP tie breaker) is not the path for major progressive breakthroughs.
EDIT- people really have short memories. After the general election the narrative was "oh, wouldn't it be a miracle if we get the two Senate seats in the GA runoff? Probably won't be much progressive legislation but at least we get committee leaderships, judicial appointments, cabinet confirmations, and budget reconciliations." Now everyone is up in arms because they can't get the Green New Deal.
There are others who are opposed to the filibuster ending but at least said they'd reconsider it. Sinema and Manchin are the focus because they outright said that they're opposed to the filibuster ending and will never change their minds.What are the numbers here, is it really only two holdouts? Or just the two who have been public bout their opinion so far?
It's not even about super progressive stuff like GND. It's about the Voting Rights Act, minimum wage increase, DC statehood. Things that are hugely popular across a wide swathe of Americans. These aren't progressive wet dreams, these should've been slam dunks even with just 50 + 1.Why did you expect that? A 50-50 party split (with VP tie breaker) is not the path for major progressive breakthroughs.
EDIT- people really have short memories. After the general election the narrative was "oh, wouldn't it be a miracle if we get the two Senate seats in the GA runoff? Probably won't be much progressive legislation but at least we get committee leaderships, judicial appointments, cabinet confirmations, and budget reconciliations." Now everyone is up in arms because they can't get the Green New Deal.
Nah, only two. The third most likely, Tester, basically stated he'd nuke it if pubs block everything and most other Senators are parroting the "Jim Crow filibuster" line.What are the numbers here, is it really only two holdouts? Or just the two who have been public bout their opinion so far?
Probably will take a few weeks.
Playing games with people's lives, gotta love politics.Sinema will go which way the wind blows. She is still responsible to a state that is very much purple on its slow path to blue but there is still a significant GOP base.
A week or two of pure obstructionism is what gives these Senators in much more divided states the coverage they need
It's not even about super progressive stuff like GND. It's about the Voting Rights Act, minimum wage increase, DC statehood. Things that are hugely popular across a wide swathe of Americans. These aren't progressive wet dreams, these should've been slam dunks even with just 50 + 1.
But with the filibuster remaining none of that gets done.
Bring back the rule that you have to actually speak for the duration.
You also have to do it with itching powder in your underpants.
Ok so if I understand this correctly, they created a rule to allow a minority to prevent the majority to rule. And I guess they realized their opposition wouldn't be as shitty as to use it constantly like they are doing (very telling that they started using it much more against Obama).
However, I want to think that Dems would have used it a lot against a monster like Trump thus now Republicans would be on board with removing the rule? Otherwise, what can Dems do?
handshake/gentleman's deal incoming? a lot of this hinges on principle and understanding from two very different view points. some sort of agreement with a few dems offering a verbal objection could at least get mitch to stop blocking the dems from assuming their majority.
What part of that scenario is supposed to be funny?
How is this not still a rule? Like, really, when did this change so that it wasn't a requirement?
Not sure. Manchin sounded pretty unequivocal about it, though you can't really trust anything that comes out of his mouth. We'll see.Manchin and Sinema gave Rs cover to give in a tiny bit.
Now to rewrite filibuster rules and get to work.
Why did you expect that? A 50-50 party split (with VP tie breaker) is not the path for major progressive breakthroughs.
EDIT- people really have short memories. After the general election the narrative was "oh, wouldn't it be a miracle if we get the two Senate seats in the GA runoff? Probably won't be much progressive legislation but at least we get committee leaderships, judicial appointments, cabinet confirmations, and budget reconciliations." Now everyone is up in arms because they can't get the Green New Deal.