According to Hayward, she's already ignoring his recorded will so it's gonna take a while for Vision to break through lolI don't disagree with you, but shooting a missile at children isn't the right way to handle things either. Vision is the only one who can get through to Wanda.
Something obvious, but still worth noting: Wanda didn't yeet Pietro out of the bubble. She's yeeted and rewound anyone else that bothered her previously, including her own hubby.
According to Hayward, she's already ignoring his recorded will so it's gonna take a while for Vision to break through lol
You mean like Wendell Vaughn(Quasar) as a background character in winter soldier?
I think it's less that they want her to face more consequences and more that they know Hayward's only solution is to use violence, and violence will inevitably end with either Wanda, or innocent people, dead. There is no way that Hayward's plans will result in a positive outcome because Hayward is a trigger-happy fuck.
Do you mean 'no consequences'?
I do agree that Hayward's approach is wrong, but the show doesn't present it as a simple matter of approach; it presents the conflict as a matter of viewpoint, and Hayward's viewpoint is shown to be completely and utterly wrong. Monica and her crew do nothing but antagonise the guy throughout the entire show for the crime of... being a dick and... taking a hostage situation seriously; they don't provide actually-workable solutions, or even any good arguments, and instead just act like children fighting against a mean teacher or something.
Darcy, for instance, treats a show where innocent people are brainwashed and forced to enact a horrific sitcom parody as a completely innocent sitcom. Monica is directly threatened by Wanda for trying a non-violent approach and she barely even acknowledges it. Jimmy gives up an entire life of devotion to the law, one that had him acting as jailor to Ant-Man in his previous film, purely because he somewhat agrees with a woman he literally just met.
It's just such an annoyingly simple and needless conflict for a series that has had genuinely good conflicts in the past.
Do you mean 'no consequences'?
I do agree that Hayward's approach is wrong, but the show doesn't present it as a simple matter of approach; it presents the conflict as a matter of viewpoint, and Hayward's viewpoint is shown to be completely and utterly wrong. Monica and her crew do nothing but antagonise the guy throughout the entire show for the crime of... being a dick and... taking a hostage situation seriously; they don't provide actually-workable solutions, or even any good arguments, and instead just act like children fighting against a mean teacher or something.
Darcy, for instance, treats a show where innocent people are brainwashed and forced to enact a horrific sitcom parody as a completely innocent sitcom. Monica is directly threatened by Wanda for trying a non-violent approach and she barely even acknowledges it. Jimmy gives up an entire life of devotion to the law, one that had him acting as jailor to Ant-Man in his previous film, purely because he somewhat agrees with a woman he literally just met.
It's just such an annoyingly simple and needless conflict for a series that has had genuinely good conflicts in the past.
I assumed he did as soon as he showed off the footage of Wanda breaking in to take Vision's body. Monica probably did too. As soon as you're like, "Oh, he's withholding pretty key information" he moves to a place of distrust. And they all literally push back on him in that moment.Firstly, nobody knew that Hayward had ulterior motives until this very episode. Considering one of my arguments was "Monica and crew are acting as if they have information the audience isn't privy to," then that kind of helps my point lol
Secondly, most of these points are just repeating what has already been said so I won't go any further because I'll just end up talking in circles.
I just want to throw out my wild theory, prof x sent quicksilver there because he knew Wanda wouldn't respond to negative attention and is trying to appease her from the inside.How does this Pietro know stuff about their childhood? Is it that somehow Wanda gave him the information and he as a "actor" knows his lines? Or is Pietro the real pietro but only has a different appearance?(I don't understand the "he was recast" thing)
When he said the line about Vision being dead twice (and got blasted by wanda) , was that Wanda losing control over him or does it mean Pietro isn't controlled like Vision as a "form of respect" to them? Does he know he himself is dead?
Something obvious, but still worth noting: Wanda didn't yeet Pietro out of the bubble. She's yeeted and rewound anyone else that bothered her previously, including her own hubby.
The morality of expanding the hex to engulf even more people is going to be a big turning point for Wanda in the next episode I think.
Yep. Maybe she sucks up all of Jersey!
The one who's conscious. Darcy might be mind controlled like everyone else.Who's going to get to do the witty quip about her sucking up Jersey - Darcy or Pietro?
The one who's conscious. Darcy might be mind controlled like everyone else.
It was pretty damn silly that the Astrophysicist is also apparently a genius hacker that can hack into a government agency system in 2 seocnds and break multiple firewalls in just a few minutes.
Honestly the show just takes a nosedive in terms of quality whenever it goes outside of the Hex. It goes from a (relatively) subtle Lynchian mixture of suburbia and horror to... a generic sci-fi drama with the subtlety of a jackhammer to the face.
I mean just look at how disparate the two elements are.
Inside the Hex Vision is clearly disturbed by what Wanda is doing, and it's shown through genuinely disturbing scenes like the frozen lady shedding tears that things aren't all good.
Meanwhile outside the Hex the question of morality is thrown out the window because the protagonists are unanimously painted as good despite the fact that they're asking people to sympathise with someone who is literally holding thousands hostage. There's no reason to care because they've gone so hard into making sure that you know exactly what is good and what isn't.
I'm 100% on board with this theory, and it's what I posted some 60 pages back, that I think this involves a coven of witches. What I would like it to be would be some kind of deal with Mephisto and then they deliver it (the twins maybe) to him but at an expense. Maybe there'll be dealing with all of Mephisto, the coven and Wanda.I mean... you don't bring in Emma Caulfield, who was in way more than just Buffy, and have her bleed red blood in a black and white world and act all suspicious and stuff and have that not mean anything. There is in fact a Marvel character called Arcanna Jones that's married to a Phil Jones (the name of Dottie's husband in Westview) and she goes by the superhero name Moonglow and is one of the members of the Squadron Supreme. Given that nothing is a coincidence in the MCU, maybe that means something.
Slayven once asked "why Westview?" and I think it was home to a witch's coven before Wanda showed up and took over. I think Agatha Harkness, Arcanna Jones and perhaps many other witches were living in Westview and tried to welcome Wanda into their town and something went horribly wrong.
I just want to back this up. The stuff inside the Hex is so good and the stuff outside of it is such a weird decline in quality in comparison.I don't know why they self banned, but I agree with Plum. I get what they are trying to do, but they aren't doing it well. Jimmy assaulting a government agent isn't sold well; Hayward is comically 80s Bad Authority Guy: Darcy is the best hacker on the planet; Monica undersells danger to herself and others. I get they they only have so much time, but these beats are under baked. In sharp contrast to the sitcom stuff, which is obviously lovingly put together. It does help that the performances are at a minimum solid (Heyward) to excellent (Monica).
It doesn't stop me from being obsessed with the show and thinking it's the best MCU thing since Black Panther. Yes I said it, I like this better than IW/Endgame so far.
Vision will make her see that she isn't alone and still has friends out there, that she still has something to live for. He is a pure soul, he will convince her to help the people.
It's the same way in the comics.Everyone's an expert hacker in the MCU. Black Widow was able to do the same shit multiple times. Honestly at this point it's just one of those dumb cinematic shorthand techniques that I've started to tune out.
Honestly the show just takes a nosedive in terms of quality whenever it goes outside of the Hex. It goes from a (relatively) subtle Lynchian mixture of suburbia and horror to... a generic sci-fi drama with the subtlety of a jackhammer to the face.
I mean just look at how disparate the two elements are.
Inside the Hex Vision is clearly disturbed by what Wanda is doing, and it's shown through genuinely disturbing scenes like the frozen lady shedding tears that things aren't all good.
Meanwhile outside the Hex the question of morality is thrown out the window because the protagonists are unanimously painted as good despite the fact that they're asking people to sympathise with someone who is literally holding thousands hostage. There's no reason to care because they've gone so hard into making sure that you know exactly what is good and what isn't.
Not just comics, that's fictional media in general.It's the same way in the comics.
Super spies can hack because it's part of being a super spy.
Any super genius in a specific field is also competent enough in other fields to do things as a fill in if the super genius in that field isn't readily available.
I'm thinking that Monica's circumstances in the hex were different from everyone else's due to her willingly going inside.Yeah Monica's character gives me hard tonal whiplash. You would think the character who was actually kidnapped and mindcontrolled by Wanda would be the least sympathetic to her, not the most. I understand that they are implying Monica can relate to Wanda's grief with her own grief for her mother's death, but since it all happened off-screen it doesn't feel believable.
I'm thinking that Monica's circumstances in the hex were different from everyone else's due to her willingly going inside.
I think her plan pretty much revolves around trying to get through with Wanda, perhaps trying to coax her to actual leave the Warp. But we'll see what happens, though.Did Monica really have a plan besides trying to go back into the hex? Would it have ended any other way than her getting yeeted again? She didn't even seem to care that her biological makeup has been completely re-written possibly permanently.
I always get the feeling that the people who don't want this to be Fox Quicksilver are the ones that absolute hate anything Marvel not done by Marvel Studios, like they don't Fox Marvel to be mixed with the 'pure' MCU, when in fact we already know that Dr Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 with deal with the Multiverse, actors from previous films will return to reprise their role (Alfred Molina, Wilham Dafoe, Andrew Garfield), we also know that Patrick Stewart turned down the chance to reprise his role as Charles Xavier (confirmed by the actor himself), Deadpool 3 is confirmed to be in MCU, all that and some people still in denial about the Multiverse.I'm kind of there with you. I wouldn't say that it's stupid and disappointing if they do it, because a lot depends on the execution, but yeah…it makes no sense to cast a different actor, who played the same character in a different series of movies, if you do nothing with it. If you're going to have Quicksilver turnout to be a villain in disguise, wouldn't that be way more effective if you have the MCU actor in the role? Why the double switch otherwise? I mean, Wanda and the audience would already know something's up with not-Pietro Pietro, so that would undercut the reveal that Pietro is actually someone else in disguise. Right? Is there something I'm missing here?
I always get the feeling that the people who don't want this to be Fox Quicksilver are the ones that absolute hate anything Marvel not done by Marvel Studios, like they don't Fox Marvel to be mixed with the 'pure' MCU, when in fact we already know that Dr Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 with deal with the Multiverse, actors from previous films will return to reprise their role (Alfred Molina, Wilham Dafoe, Andrew Garfield), we also know that Patrick Stewart turned down the chance to reprise his role as Charles Xavier (confirmed by the actor himself), Deadpool 3 is confirmed to be in MCU, all that and some people still in denial about the Multiverse.
Yea.I think it'll be one of those things where it takes more than one person. Vision will convince Wanda that she needs to let him go and Clint will convince her that there are still people in the world that care about her. Even though she's clearly doing something terrible by expanding the Hex, she only did it to save Vision because she didn't know where he was. It's kinda the same with Westview itself - I think Wanda knows it's wrong but if she has to choose between Vision and everyone else, she'll choose Vision.
She's not doing this out of a malicious intent to harm people, which she told Dottie, and Pietro implied she was giving people a good life, but she's still dressing them up in outfits and toying with them so she can turn her back on reality and we've seen first hand what happens to the people she forgets about. Now that she has expanded the Hex, even more people are going to be frozen in place. Unable to move, unable to speak, unable to eat... how long before they die? So it doesn't really matter what Wanda's intentions are - she is hurting people and she needs to stop.
So far, he's clearly not acting like he did in the X-Men films.
That's an odd feeling man. I love some of the Marvel movies that aren't done by Marvel Studios. But there is no reason to pull in Fox characters when they have had their time in the sun. Add to that the Fox movies were a creative and commercial disaster at the end with Dark Phoenix and Apocalypse, and you really have no reason to incorporate Fox characters. The MCU can and should do its own thing. It's not like Toby or Andrew will actually return as Spider-Man permanently. They'll cameo in Tom Holland's movie.I always get the feeling that the people who don't want this to be Fox Quicksilver are the ones that absolute hate anything Marvel not done by Marvel Studios, like they don't Fox Marvel to be mixed with the 'pure' MCU,
Wasn't she sucked into the hex though when touching the barrier. The beekeeper went in willingly.I'm thinking that Monica's circumstances in the hex were different from everyone else's due to her willingly going inside.
That's true but regardless, her circumstances were different and the mind control was not nearly as strong on Monica as it was on everyone else.Wasn't she sucked into the hex though when touching the barrier. The beekeeper went in willingly.
But, the main reason that this doesn't seem to be Fox Quicksilver is because... he isn't portrayed to be that at all. There has been zero indication that this character knows anything about the Fox universe. There are zero references to 'his' Quicksilver. So, yeah, the casting of Peters seems to be a meta joke. Who knows, episode 7 may reveal he's actually from the Fox universe, it's possible. But for now? No reason to believe he is.