Not sure if you can count it, but Kang the Conqueror is being setup for something big. There's also other mini threads like Thunderbolts and Young Avengers taking shape. But I do understand your main paint though, since there isn't any major future plot being teased like with the Infinity Stones. I'm a believer in the theory that Secret Wars is gonna happen once the F4/Mutants stuff settles.I wonder when the next Avengers film will drop.
It doesn't feel like the MCU is actually building towards anything. We have this multiverse stuff but none of it really seems to connect between the shows/movies in terms of building to something bigger.
There doesn't seem to be a consistent underlying plot thread that gradually builds among all the movies like we saw in the lead up to Infinity War.
One of them has me both really excited and curious
2023 - the only movie on the list that actually says the day of week it'll release on ( Wed - 11/22/23 )
Untitled Disney Animation
I'm really excited for this! I love Disney Animation movie
I wonder also. If reports are true 4 films from Cameron at the cost 1B is not that crazy per film. I don't see a scenario where it does underperform? 1B is the floor.I'm fascinated by what $ benchmark Disney will qualify Avatar 2 as being successful
I don't doubt it will be a technical marvel but having 4 sequels lined up to a movie that came out 13 years ago is a pretty unique scenario, as is the likely financing of the movies (Fox would have sunk a lot of the money for development presumably pre-buyout, so do Disney 'care' in a conventional sense if it underperforms?)
Avatar 2 is coming this December.Star Wars is so far away. Also when is Avatar 2 coming? I only see 3 and 4.
What makes you think that?
What the fuck are you talking about? Avatar was never meant to come out in 1999. Digital Domain read the thing in 1995 and basically told Cameron it was impossible then. He didn't pull it out of a drawer until 2005. Production didn't start on it till 2007.It's kind of crazy that Avatar 2 and the other sequels have slowly become just like the first movie, pushed back for years and years. Way back when Avatar was supposed to come out in 1999 and it came out in 2009 we are in freaking 2022 and Avatar 2 is still not out. Crazy times. Legit interested to see Avatar 2 in a theatre, hope the technology blows us away.
What the fuck are you talking about? Avatar was never meant to come out in 1999. Digital Domain read the thing in 1995 and basically told Cameron it was impossible then. He didn't pull it out of a drawer until 2005. Production didn't start on it till 2007.
yeah those were the dark daysRemember when we got like only 2 MCU entries a year? Now it's like… 8 a year?
Are you talking…internationally?I think Avatar 2 has no chance at a billion. The sky high limit is probably $500m. I'd say it does well at $300m. Those numbers would be, to some, a "bomb."
Why not? These are sequels we are talking about, right? There's an existing film and a popular theme park attraction?Yes.
Sci-fi movies outside of an established universe are normally huge flops. Avatar is not an established universe.
What makes you think it will? I can't imagine a scenario where it bombs?
Disney opened up a land based on Pandora in 2017 at Disney World and it's still insanely popular. Tons of guests buying Navi themed t-shirts and stuff. There's still a strong demand for the franchise. Even kids who probably have never seen the film love the setting.I just can't imagine there's much hype for it. I think people will be interested in it perhaps more than other blockbusters, but there's simply no way it's some mega event just because the first one was. Avatar was the right confluence of factors at the right time. Now, over a decade later?
Avatar's target audience was like age 13-25. It blew up beyond that, but it had to succeed there first. The people in that age range today have probably never even seen Avatar. You think they're going to be excited for Avatar 2? Not more than anything else. And I don't see older millennials that don't see nearly as many movies coming out to see the decade late sequel to a good movie they barely remember.
I think Avatar 2 has no chance at a billion. The sky high limit is probably $500m. I'd say it does well at $300m. Those numbers would be, to some, a "bomb."
This is incorrect. The project was known forever prior to production as Project 880 because its target audience was those aged 8 - 80.Avatar's target audience was like age 13-25. It blew up beyond that, but it had to succeed there first.
How is Avatar not an established universe? The film coming out is a sequel to the original. What the hell are you talking about?Yes.
Sci-fi movies outside of an established universe are normally huge flops. Avatar is not an established universe.
What about infinity war endgame or no way home were formulaic, other than they all have 3 acts?god disney is just putting formulating shit hopefully the 20th century movies are original
How do sci fi movies become established universes if they're all flops???Yes.
Sci-fi movies outside of an established universe are normally huge flops. Avatar is not an established universe.
How do sci fi movies become established universes if they're all flops???
I just can't imagine there's much hype for it. I think people will be interested in it perhaps more than other blockbusters, but there's simply no way it's some mega event just because the first one was. Avatar was the right confluence of factors at the right time. Now, over a decade later?
Avatar's target audience was like age 13-25. It blew up beyond that, but it had to succeed there first. The people in that age range today have probably never even seen Avatar. You think they're going to be excited for Avatar 2? Not more than anything else. And I don't see older millennials that don't see nearly as many movies coming out to see the decade late sequel to a good movie they barely remember.
I think Avatar 2 has no chance at a billion. The sky high limit is probably $500m. I'd say it does well at $300m. Those numbers would be, to some, a "bomb."
??? Are you joking?What about infinity war endgame or no way home were formulaic, other than they all have 3 acts?
Nope. Answer the question.
How is Avatar not an established universe? The film coming out is a sequel to the original. What the hell are you talking about?
And you think it will bomb internationally? The sequel to Avatar - the film that literally opened up China as a major box office market, will bomb internationally?
And you mentioned earlier that the first film's success was purely based on the right confluence of circumstances at the right time. What circumstances were they - considering it also became the highest grossing 2d home release until 2015 when it was topped by Frozen. In case 3D was the thing you were going to pin it on.
Avatar made what it did do to insane Word of Mouth and repeated viewings based on the film itself.
You didn't say established franchise. You said established universe. Which is why everybody was so confused.It being a sequel makes it a franchise, not an established franchise. It's a one-off film so far that's over a decade old. And it's attached to a small part of a theme park. It's not a franchise that has established its profitability long term like Star Wars or Star Trek. It's still a fledgling franchise.
The Chinese box office is way different than it was back then. We have no idea how China will respond to the movie, either it's people or the government.
It was heralded as a technological marvel and people could actually see that the tech was new age. The story was good. It was fun. It's hard to say exactly why it took off — if it were so easy, that magic could be replicated.
You're right about it doing well due to insane word of mouth and repeat viewings. Why would you assume that will happen again?
You didn't say established franchise. You said established universe. Which is why everybody was so confused.
The Chinese box office was indeed way different back then. It was about one eighth the size of what it is today. And the original film was pulled from Chinese theatres and replaced with CCP-approved Confucius film before audience demand brought it back. Chinese audiences were and still are obsessed with Avatar. The limited re-release that wasn't even advertised (as it wasn't even a real re-release, but more part of a slew of films China's theatre chains utilised to entice audience back into theatres post-covid) and was only announced a few days prior to release made $55m+.
You explaining that the circumstances that created the perfect storm of events that led to its success were that it was heralded as a technological marvel and had a good story. Those aren't circumstances that the film benefited from. Those are benefits of the film's own making. Those are the things that caused the insane word of mouth. This also answers your last question. Why would we assume the sequel would also be a good movie that happens to be a technological marvel?
Because that is - historically speaking, the exact kind of film James Cameron makes.
Sometimes it's okay to just kind of admit you're not sure what you're talking about.
Apologies. I didn't need to be a dick about it.I see we've moved on to being disrespectful. What a disappointment.