GB 2016 was a near carbon copy of Ghostbusters 84 though. (This was only known AFTER the movie came out though)
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GB 2016 was a near carbon copy of Ghostbusters 84 though. (This was only known AFTER the movie came out though)
Yeah, and Ethan Van Sciver still got "special thanks" credit at the end of the movie.
EDIT: As Froyo Love pointed out, apparently it's out of obligation.
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Those that supported or engaged in that behavior shouldn't be accepted by the fans. That's on the individuals. I take issues with labeling and damning people by groups. Judge them individually. I participated in yesterdays 1.5 mil hashtags and honestly never came across a single one talking threats. YMMV, of course, but it's not as widespread as some are trying to twist it as.
Wait I think you're jumping some steps here. How does what he said means he knew exactly who they were before? I'm pretty sure I'm more familiar with online culture than Snyder but I've only learned who these guys were during this controversy. You're making connections that aren't really there.
Everyone hate Rise of Skywalker. Including the people that complained about The Last Jedi. That isn't as absolving as you think, lol.
I mean no it wasn't, it was a completely different comedy style for one.
The only similarity is that both are about establishing the Ghostbusters
Other than "we saw a ghost, get kicked out of a university, and start being Ghostbusters," this is decidedly untrue.
There are alot of similar beats.
However, I feel like I've probably drug this discussion off-topic bringing up Ghostbusters, so I'm more than willing to discuss it in another topic if anyone wants too.
Because he worked on The Flash: Rebirth, which the film partially adapted for Flash's origin/background details. It's the same "Special Thanks" credit he was given in the Whedon cut.
But there I see a difference because Gamergate was nothing but a hate campaign. That was the goal, there's nothing like a toxic minority because it was all toxic. I'm not sure that can be compared to people who wanted the snydercut
Pretty sure you're misremembering. Mostly that first part. The fan base didn't care about Ray. They didn't even know the difference between the two cuts until much later. They just wanted Zack's vision on screen. And a significant portion of them were assholes about it.
Y know the media's got it out for Zack. The same media that actually gave it good reviews and did multiple feature interviews with him before its premiere.
I honestly think there's a lot of entitlement in the whole thing - "this is shit, it isn't the film I wanted, I demand you give me the film I want that only exists in my head, I KNOW YOU HAVE IT"
This leads to toxic nonsense - see also Mass Effect 3's ending or, hell, the sequel trilogy in general.
Sometimes a thing can be bad or disliked and that's just too fucking bad but, sadly, some people find it impossible to accept that because of their own expectations and ideas.
But, I honestly think things like this completely overstate the impact of these campaigns.
If it wasn't for Covid messing with productions and HBO Max launching, this wouldn't have happened. Simple as that. The Twitter campaign would have continued to rage on.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that the ability to salvage it exists. So many films/cuts/versions are completely lost to time, so a brand new cut is a major deal, but this happened because of lack of theatrical releases, not because of hashtags.
This leads to toxic nonsense - see also Mass Effect 3's ending or, hell, the sequel trilogy in general.
Sometimes a thing can be bad or disliked and that's just too fucking bad but, sadly, some people find it impossible to accept that because of their own expectations and ideas.
But, I honestly think things like this completely overstate the impact of these campaigns.
If it wasn't for Covid messing with productions and HBO Max launching, this wouldn't have happened. Simple as that. The Twitter campaign would have continued to rage on.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that the ability to salvage it exists. So many films/cuts/versions are completely lost to time, so a brand new cut is a major deal, but this happened because of lack of theatrical releases, not because of hashtags.
Jesus, seriously? Okay, I missed that one.
You think he wouldn't do any research regarding people he was going to be associating with publicly?
Plus, if he didn't know the kind of people he was with, why would he feel the need to disassociate from them prior to saying something about a bunch of asian people getting murdered?
It's not at all beyond group of people discover ghosts and start a company to fight them.
Everything else isn't close to the same
This whole thing was just Warner Bros seeing a great opportunity to draw a lot of attention to the HBO Max launch, and everyone participated in predictable ways. Its amazing how easy corporations can manipulate so many facets nowadays, and even crazier how easier it will get as computers get better at data analysis.
You really can't judge it on individuals, that kind of completely ignores the nature of the internet. And the problem is that while they 'shouldn't' be accepted by fans, they kind of were. In real life sociopolitical matters the discussion is about how for us to move forward and end bigotry doesn't involve you personally not being (racist, sexist, transphobic) but being actively anti those things because doing nothing is part of the problem
Like look at this post, we've got a critically acclaimed rerelease, a resurgant Snyder, the goal was met. Good job, champagne all around. I don't see what the issue is with a post mortem saying these are points where the movement failed. But we don't even want to talk about that, we want to defend that effectively as a necessary evil, people are trying to 'twist it'. Lots of assholes were involved in the Snyder cut movement and they needed to get called out; instead they got absorbed into the greater ecosystem because nobody cared, and in the dark part of their mind they don't want to admit they feel WB deserved it.
And like it's been pointed out, this is a growing issue for fandoms period (even though people are reacting as if this is an attack tailored torwards Snyderverse fans). We giggled at when that dude effectively crashed a Disney stockholder meeting to gripe about Kennedy because on one hand it was geeky and harmless, but on the other some motherfucker tried to effectively hijack a discussion about a multinational company in a zillion industries about how how he feels an exec is treating his favorite movie series; same toxic energy.
Everyone posting about how it's only because of CoVid and HBO that this really came about are missing the point. It doesn't matter if the twitter mob actually had the power to enforce their demands, what matters is that it validates the idea that they do have that power. Regardless of how unusual circumstances aligned to make this possible, the companies are out there proclaiming "Because you demanded it, we are now going to #ReleaseTheSnyderCut, exclusive on HBO Max, for you, the fans!"
So now you're going to see them trying to flex that power more. The ones who did twitter campaigns are going to campaign more. The ones who harassed are going to harass more. And the ones who issued death threats.... well, you get the point.
So now you're going to see them trying to flex that power more. The ones who did twitter campaigns are going to campaign more. The ones who harassed are going to harass more. And the ones who issued death threats.... well, you get the point.
Wait are you sure we are not talking over each other here?
In the stream were he disavowed Geeks and Gamers, the subject was brought up suddenly because a donation from them went up. Snyder got a note from his assistants or something (iirc) during the livestream, and then took the moment to say he was not associated with Geeks and Gamers and didn't approve of their spread of hate (or something like that). I'm pretty sure a controversy of the channel's behavior had reached Snyder recently and the comment was prompted by that donation.
It's pretty reasonable to assume Geeks and Gamers shit was not prevalent enough(from a PR perspective) to be addressed before, and recent events (violence against asian people) changed that. You're free to condemn corporate cynicism for not doing this sooner, but there's no evidence that this was a personal failing of Snyder.
It's super frustrating that we finally got a movie with better representation across the board and people are equating people who wanted it with gamergate.
Representing the Snyder Cut crowd as a crowd who just wanted better representation is basically exactly as disingenuous as representing Gamergate as a crowd of people worried about ethics in game journalism.
There is a crowd of ultra-online white men fully engaged in the culture war and they often dominate discourse. Gamer gate, SnyderCut, Last Jedi reactionaries, Captain Marvel haters, so on and so forth. They are the same people through and through and it's definitely the same 4chan type (although they may not use the site) crowd that powers the alt-right and Qanon. They twist perception on Twitter, YouTube comments, downvotes, user reviews any way they can and it's pure toxic garbage.
We had a prominent poster right on this very forum writing essays about conspiracies against Snyder and calling for the targeted harrasment of female and muslim journalists who have criticized Snyder's problematic portrayals of their communities.
We have people right now spamming James Gunn with conspiracies about his SS threatening "the Snyderverse"
So yeah, this was a win for toxic fanbases in a similar way TROS was.
The movie being good after Snyder and Fisher being treated badly as a justice/redemption story is a completely separate matter.
We have people right now spamming James Gunn with conspiracies about his SS threatening "the Snyderverse"
So yeah, this was a win for toxic fanbases in a similar way TROS was.
The movie being good after Snyder and Fisher being treated badly as a justice/redemption story is a completely separate matter.
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A noxious contingent of followers, though, didn’t just advocate for the movie, but also used social media to attack people who were critical of Snyder or their cause. Maybe they hoped to silence dissenters, or maybe they were just trolls being trolls. In any case, film journalists with negative...
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Oh, I've put him on ignore a long time ago, explains how I missed that.A new look at Jared Leto "JOKER" from Vanity Fair News
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And that's the kind of shit that poisons the well. Rightfully called out and handled. I think the hashtag events can be a positive thing if that's the focus. Positivity. 'Hey, WB. We love this and want more #message' which was 99% what I witnessed yesterday, all day. Unfortunately, there are twisted individuals that think harassment and threats are warranted when they absolutely are not. Its just a movie. Lives and souls are more important. To insinuate that this was all built on hate and threats is absolute garbage, however.A new look at Jared Leto "JOKER" from Vanity Fair News
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Huh, no wonder I had not seen his posts for a while. Not surprised to be honest, his post about Maggie Mae Fish struck me as really bad.