Yep, practically all the people that gave Sony the good PR launching the PS4 are long gone or in different roles.'Were' is the operative word here.
A lot of these unsavoury monetary practices have been ushered in by this man.
Yep, practically all the people that gave Sony the good PR launching the PS4 are long gone or in different roles.'Were' is the operative word here.
A lot of these unsavoury monetary practices have been ushered in by this man.
Yeah, even though since the PS3 games had microtransactions, the game economy wasn't affected by them, so the fact that's happening now makes it obvious that the new leadership at Sony since those games were released were the ones responsible for this decision.I put most of the blame on Sony here for sure. It's a fair assumption that PD would've happily designed the game without all of this MTX horseshit if Sony hadn't pushed them to do so.
Did the PS3 even have credit MTX?Yeah, even though since the PS3 games had microtransactions, the game economy wasn't affected by them, so the fact that's happening now makes it obvious that the new leadership at Sony since those games were released were the ones responsible for this decision.
This.This entire fiasco reminds me of an era thread, and I finally found it:
Aged like absolute milk, lol. Sony's gonna raise the price of games AND fill em to the brim with MTX. This just sucks all round.
I thought the MTX were a smaller deal in GT7 then they actually were (akin to Forza's old Tokens, which absolutely sucked but werent as prevelant in the game). But the game is INTENTIONALLY designed around mtx, to the grinding needing to get time-limited rotating classic cars, the invitation cars, not being able to sell any cars, the always online..... the game is absolutely built around this entire mechanic.
They got around reviews smartly too. First, they enabled mtx later, a widely used tactic, so whatever. Most reviewers most likely played the GT cafe mode, a bit of online, and then put it down. GT cafe showers you with cars, about a 100 or so, so the "grind" is for the rest of the 300 cars, which went really overlooked in all these reviews, from what I can tell.
This entire fiasco reminds me of an era thread, and I finally found it:
Aged like absolute milk, lol. Sony's gonna raise the price of games AND fill em to the brim with MTX. This just sucks all round.
I thought the MTX were a smaller deal in GT7 then they actually were (akin to Forza's old Tokens, which absolutely sucked but werent as prevelant in the game). But the game is INTENTIONALLY designed around mtx, to the grinding needing to get time-limited rotating classic cars, the invitation cars, not being able to sell any cars, the always online..... the game is absolutely built around this entire mechanic.
They got around reviews smartly too. First, they enabled mtx later, a widely used tactic, so whatever. Most reviewers most likely played the GT cafe mode, a bit of online, and then put it down. GT cafe showers you with cars, about a 100 or so, so the "grind" is for the rest of the 300 cars, which went really overlooked in all these reviews, from what I can tell.
I think I heard complaints about GT6 having them, but I skipped that one. I remember Shu talking about them, but I honestly don't know when exactly that was. But I at least remember that GT5 had DLC cars, but again, cannot remember if one would instantly get them with the purchase, or if they just became available to buy in the game shop. I remember buying the XL Edition version of the game just to get that DLC that it included on the cheap.Did the PS3 even have credit MTX?
Thinking about GT5, I remember paint chips, but not credits.
When Naughty Dog join the exploitative MTX train is the day I'll panic about Sony...The thing is, you're extrapolating what GT is doing to Sony's other IP. When Cory said that, GT Sport had already been out and doing the same thing lol, albeit less extreme. I don't see that spreading to their other mainstay titles, seeing as how they've literally dropped 5 games in the last two years that don't have obstructive MTX (or MTX at all). Hell, two of them have had huge content updates for free (Returnal and Tsushima). The game that dropped two weeks before GT7 (Horizon) doesn't have mtx at all
Wow, straight up bait and switch on reviewers. And now their names and reviews will be viewed as approving of this greed.
More reviewers should walk back their scores.
Would the game still be getting panned if they made the entry price free? So whatever one spent on the base game could go towards credits?
Would the game still be getting panned if they made the entry price free? So whatever one spent on the base game could go towards credits?
You'd only have to spend $115 instead of $185 for a McLaren that'd be a huge game changer.Would the game still be getting panned if they made the entry price free? So whatever one spent on the base game could go towards credits?
This is really effed up on Sony's part. I'm glad I didn't buy it because I would have been pissed.Wow, straight up bait and switch on reviewers. And now their names and reviews will be viewed as approving of this greed.
More reviewers should walk back their scores.
This is not correct, they allow offhtopic reviews, as they call it, but if they detect it's not about the game it won't affect the overall score.
Steam doesn't allow review bombing, and I saw reports of generic reviews being removed.
Once again I don't understand what problem you have with review bombing. The term has lost all its meaning and at this point it's nothing more than a simple reaction to a product's quality. It doesn't inherently mean it's bad, you'll just have deduce what lead to the reaction.I think it would be a bad idea for Sony to respond to review bombs. You don't want to acknowledge that this is a good method of communication, since the last review bombs on Sony games were about unattractive female characters and having a trans character. Whether or not the protest is legit, responding to it is a legitimizing act.
Agreed, it's a justified cause to give a bad review to a game.But I don't see how reactions to bad performance/crashes would constitute as "review bombing".
- Increase the payout value of limited time rewards as we develop as a live service.
- Further World Circuit event additions.
- Addition of Endurance Races to Missions including 24-hour races.
- Addition of Online Time Trials and awarding of rewards according to the player's difference with the top ranked time.
- Make it so cars can be sold.
All complaints about MTX and Online, but still plenty other things to be disappointed in single player wise.
Whilst I'm deeply unhappy with the in-game economy, this type of narrative needs to stop.You'd only have to spend $115 instead of $185 for a McLaren that'd be a huge game changer.
When Naughty Dog join the exploitative MTX train is the day I'll panic about Sony...
I wouldn't call them exploitative but, to be fair, Uncharted 4 had mtx virtual currency and TLOU had mtx guns that the community definitely considered pay-to-win. Was a big issue for many of us who played multiplayer a lot.
They're not exactly strangers to mtx
- There's still no racing because you need a car multiple seconds a minute ahead of the field because
- Races start with the field deliberately and massively spread out
People were talking about this everywhere. You can't say it was simply due to user reviews on MC.Just saw that in the OT. And some here were saying that nobody cares about the user reviews on MC.
I still won't buy it right now because I'm dirt poor (not really, but kinda) but it's funny to see how they reacted to this whole mess. They even change the cap on the credits.
The scores are one thing, but most of gaming media picking it up is something else.People were talking about this everywhere. You can't say it was simply due to user reviews on MC.
The scores are one thing, but most of gaming media picking it up is something else.
That and the sentiment reports that every publisher tracks as part of regular internal reporting; I bet they were through the floor last week.
A sentiment report is essentially an analysis of all conversation around a topic, to determine if people are positive or negative towards something. It's something that is used in any business/industry that deals with social media (and other forms of media too).
Why did they change the economy after reviews and then launch two 18m cars back to back when 20m is the max amount that can be held?Whilst I'm deeply unhappy with the in-game economy, this type of narrative needs to stop.
You don't have to buy credits, no one is forcing you to do so. If someone is the type of mug to fall for this shit then more power to them. But you're making it sound as if using real cash is the only way to acquire these cars, when it isn't.
Why did they change the economy after reviews and then launch two 18m cars back to back when 20m is the max amount that can be held?
Could you not buy one car, and then play your way back to another 18m cr to buy the second?
A sentiment report is essentially an analysis of all conversation around a topic, to determine if people are positive or negative towards something. It's something that is used in any business/industry that deals with social media (and other forms of media too).
Let's say a tool scans all of the mentions of GT7 on Twitter, and all the replies. If it picks up on words like "low", "expensive", "annoying" etc., then the tool assumes these are negative messages and gives a negative score. Likewise it gives a higher score if lots of the comments are positive.
If we imagine the end result is a score out of 100, you can then track that score over time. If you see any spikes or dips you can plot them on a timeline and determine what caused people to be happy/sad.
This isn't a literal sentiment report but works as an example to illustrate what I'm explaining, tracking the history of review scores on Steam.
See that big drop in late 2019? I know from experience that that was when a new VR feature was added, one that was unfortunately quite buggy at the time. That 2 week dip in April 2020? That's when the servers were down.
This, plus never forget that most of the game is single player yet it has always online DRM. On a console game. Like, c'mon now.I really can't believe people are still willfully ignoring what's right there in their faces, every time they see that "top-up now" message: the economy of the game is designed to engender FOMO and push MTX. Of course you can "just earn the credits," the reason why people have voiced their distaste for it is because it feels predatory in a way that is usually limited to free-to-play stuff.
And of course, the great shame here is that the game itself, the moment-to-moment racing, the overall presentation are absolutely great.
We need to see more major outlets posting revised reviews. Sony legitimately shat on their integrity by pulling this bait and switch. But if they leave the 9/10 reviews up, they are basically giving this practice a pass.
They are probably scared to because they might lose exclusive access or whatever (I don't work in the industry) but it would probably at least force Sony to respond if GT7 started getting revised 6/10 reviews on the big sites.
Are reviewers allowed to go back and change a games score to reflect the actual state of affairs? I can understand if it's a few years later but they literally did this immediately after. Just insane.
I'm not suggesting PD aren't way out of wack here. The economy stinks. This type of stuff stinks.Why did they change the economy after reviews and then launch two 18m cars back to back when 20m is the max amount that can be held?
I honestly hope they become the meta cars at least then the final warriors might see the light.I'm not suggest PD aren't way out of wack here. The economy stinks. This type of stuff stinks.
But, it still doesn't change the fact that these vehicles are available without buying credits, irrespective of how much of a grind they are---they're not gated behind a $200 paywall.
Don't get me wrong, it's still utterly bogus what's required to get these cars. But I'm not so worried as invariably they'll all be pretty pants to actually use (if GT Sport was anything to go buy). I'm more concerned about the Gr.1/2/3/4 economy and what implications that has for Sport mode.