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misery mired

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Apr 2, 2022
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sent in my ballot earlier. nothing will ever reach the voting high i had in 2020 when i dropped my ballot against trump in the mail while he was being life flighted to walter reed for covid, but it still felt good to vote against that vile fascist fuck again today regardless
 

GYODX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,031
I don't expect to be fed "comforting lies". I expect aggregators to outright refuse to add partisan polling to their averages. Even if it doesn't change the numbers that much, it doesn't set up this false doom narrative that Trump is gaining in the polls. Said it earlier, but Trump CAN win. But the constant backseat vibe checking, reminding people who are trying to be optimistic that they shouldn't be optimistic. THAT is off-putting.
Nobody should be dooming over a 0.3 polling average or 5% forecast difference.
 

Mezentine

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,422
Anything can happen obviously, but I just can't square these anemic rallies with him being a coin toss away from winning even the electoral college. People are fucking tired of him
 

RetroMG

Community Resettler
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,117
Trump can't fill a rally venue but I'm supposed to believe this race is tied...
I agree with you, but as someone else pointed out, he trashed Detroit in a speech IN DETROIT like a week ago. Not a huge shock that they don't want to go see him.

I really hope the Harris campaign hammers on him being "too exhausted to campaign." Motherfucker, you are running to be the President of the United States. Do you want someone as President who shuts down at a critical moment because he's "too tired?"
 

Nida

Member
Aug 31, 2019
13,136
Everett, Washington
Someone smarter, and maybe even the Donald Trump of 2016 would encourage everyone to move to the front and speak directly to them, saying sound problems won't stop him from speaking to his people.

You can spin this shit into gold if you try. At all. NYT will suck you off the next day as being a real man of the people.
 

GardenPepper

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Oct 28, 2017
20,938
There are a lot of people in my area that would love to go see him in person but either don't have a vehicle or can't afford the gasoline to do it.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,560
I agree with you, but as someone else pointed out, he trashed Detroit in a speech IN DETROIT like a week ago. Not a huge shock that they don't want to go see him.

I really hope the Harris campaign hammers on him being "too exhausted to campaign." Motherfucker, you are running to be the President of the United States. Do you want someone as President who shuts down at a critical moment because he's "too tired?"

Oh yeah for sure. I'm not expecting him to be super popular in Detroit even if he trashed the city or not. I remember a couple other venues that seemed small and or he hasn't been able to fill.

It doesn't seem to make sense that he can be gaining support yet things seem to be stagnanting. Not everyone voting is attending a rally but shouldn't there be MORE enthusiasm?

Yes. Go all in on the exhausted talk. Show how sad and pathetic his rallies are and how he can't finish an interview.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,560
At this point it's between a black woman and a man who needs a pee pad (like a dog as Trump says) for an interview. If that doesn't break the "machismo" spell, then FUCK. Country is doomed.
 

Gorgamel

Member
Oct 25, 2017
527
I really hope the Harris campaign hammers on him being "too exhausted to campaign." Motherfucker, you are running to be the President of the United States. Do you want someone as President who shuts down at a critical moment because he's "too tired?"

This. They need to keep hammering this message. It will also have the added benefit of getting under Trump's skin, forcing him to do more rallies, causing him to get more exhausted and providing more opportunities for him to fuck it up.
 

foxuzamaki

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,158
Really would like to know how this week is gonna reflect in the polls next week. I have bee tired of polls for a min now but we might possibly get a real variance because this has been an awful week for Trump. Those who believe have to be thinking that this is a sign of something
 
Anything can happen obviously, but I just can't square these anemic rallies with him being a coin toss away from winning even the electoral college. People are fucking tired of him
Nothing I have seen since the Harris debate squares with decades of election momentum. By this point in 2016 people really paying attention were feeling real fear even before "her emails" because it felt like Hillary's campaign was becoming lifeless and there was too much energy surrounding Trump.

The life has drained out of Trump and his campaign (literally and figurately) week over week. The media has, by its standards, begun turning on him. Everywhere Harris goes she creates energy. All the people coming out for her feel like a "death of a thousand cuts" we often see for opposing campaigns; the animal instinct in the air, is one creature is vital and the other, wounded.

Experience says that pollsters are trying so hard to herd and correct for the unshakable grip Trump has on his core cult, they are creating a statistical illusion without quite lying via statistics.

The only other real possibility is that American is truly THAT misogynistic. That despite Trump's campaign being a dead fish, and nobody outside the crazies at all excited or even interested in him, despite Harris legitimately having all the momentum and the "it" factor, and energy - a vast sea of people will hold their nose and vote for Trump to prevent a woman from being "my commander and chief".

Sadly, that's a real possibility.

But, it might not quite square with this neck-in-neck horse race being mostly confined to the traditional swing states. If enthusiasm was really that down due to pure distaste towards a woman candidate, I'd think there would be more evenly salted signs of it even in unremarkably blue states.

Instead, national polling keeps putting Harris over 50%. And the horse race keeps coming out of swing state polling. (Again, mostly; more often than not.)

Which wraps back around to pollsters swing state work creating a sense Trump has momentum where he doesn't. The signs that PA is burning down for him might be an indication of what's actually happening.
 

Yerffej

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 25, 2017
26,660
I love this. The candidates don't answer their questions directly...like politicians do all the time. And the mods are like um try again except answer this time mmmkay?
 

GYODX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,031
Like…what has he done in the past two weeks to gain momentum in the polls? I don't get it personally
I think it's best to interpret it as reversion to the mean rather than any real momentum in Trump's favor. She had a great couple of weeks of positive media coverage following her debate victory, and now the numbers are settling down to the pre-debate average.
 

scitek

Member
Oct 27, 2017
11,533
Nothing I have seen since the Harris debate squares with decades of election momentum. By this point in 2016 people really paying attention were feeling real fear even before "her emails" because it felt like Hillary's campaign was becoming lifeless and there was too much energy surrounding Trump.

The life has drained out of Trump and his campaign (literally and figurately) week over week. The media has, by its standards, begun turning on him. Everywhere Harris goes she creates energy. All the people coming out for her feel like a "death of a thousand cuts" we often see for opposing campaigns; the animal instinct in the air, is one creature is vital and the other, wounded.

Experience says that pollsters are trying so hard to herd and correct for the unshakable grip Trump has on his core cult, they are creating a statistical illusion without quite lying via statistics.

The only other real possibility is that American is truly THAT misogynistic. That despite Trump's campaign being a dead fish, and nobody outside the crazies at all excited or even interested in him, despite Harris legitimately having all the momentum and the "it" factor, and energy - a vast sea of people will hold their nose and vote for Trump to prevent a woman from being "my commander and chief".

Sadly, that's a real possibility.

But, it might not quite square with this neck-in-neck horse race being mostly confined to the traditional swing states. If enthusiasm was really that down due to pure distaste towards a woman candidate, I'd think there would be more evenly salted signs of it even in unremarkably blue states.

Instead, national polling keeps putting Harris over 50%. And the horse race keeps coming out of swing state polling. (Again, mostly; more often than not.)

Which wraps back around to pollsters swing state work creating a sense Trump has momentum where he doesn't. The signs that PA is burning down for him might be an indication of what's actually happening.

I don't think the country as a whole is too misogynistic to elect a woman, but our system is so flawed that just a few thousand misogynists across a few states could ruin everything.
 

RetroMG

Community Resettler
Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
7,117
Nothing I have seen since the Harris debate squares with decades of election momentum. By this point in 2016 people really paying attention were feeling real fear even before "her emails" because it felt like Hillary's campaign was becoming lifeless and there was too much energy surrounding Trump.

The life has drained out of Trump and his campaign (literally and figurately) week over week. The media has, by its standards, begun turning on him. Everywhere Harris goes she creates energy. All the people coming out for her feel like a "death of a thousand cuts" we often see for opposing campaigns; the animal instinct in the air, is one creature is vital and the other, wounded.

Experience says that pollsters are trying so hard to herd and correct for the unshakable grip Trump has on his core cult, they are creating a statistical illusion without quite lying via statistics.

The only other real possibility is that American is truly THAT misogynistic. That despite Trump's campaign being a dead fish, and nobody outside the crazies at all excited or even interested in him, despite Harris legitimately having all the momentum and the "it" factor, and energy - a vast sea of people will hold their nose and vote for Trump to prevent a woman from being "my commander and chief".

Sadly, that's a real possibility.

But, it might not quite square with this neck-in-neck horse race being mostly confined to the traditional swing states. If enthusiasm was really that down due to pure distaste towards a woman candidate, I'd think there would be more evenly salted signs of it even in unremarkably blue states.

Instead, national polling keeps putting Harris over 50%. And the horse race keeps coming out of swing state polling. (Again, mostly; more often than not.)

Which wraps back around to pollsters swing state work creating a sense Trump has momentum where he doesn't. The signs that PA is burning down for him might be an indication of what's actually happening.
THANK YOU. I was just trying to figure out how to put this into words. I believe that the polls have got to be misjudging the race, simply because it feels like Trump is losing support just about everywhere. (Except for white men.) The knives are all pointing in at him.
 

Osu 16 Bit

QA Lead at NetherRealm Studios
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
3,031
Chicago, IL
I feel like the question of "how can Trump be gaining momentum when he's had such a bad week?" might be a sign we're guilty of being in our own bubbles and rally size memes and what not don't matter to the kind of voter in play. Like, are these people even paying attention, outside maybe old people social media?
 

Hollywood Duo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
48,069
I feel like the question of "how can Trump be gaining momentum when he's had such a bad week?" might be a sign we're guilty of being in our own bubbles and rally size memes and what not don't matter to the kind of voter in play. Like, are these people even paying attention, outside maybe old people social media?
Fair point but say they don't know anything why is he gaining momentum?
 

poptire

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
12,485
I feel like the question of "how can Trump be gaining momentum when he's had such a bad week?" might be a sign we're guilty of being in our own bubbles and rally size memes and what not don't matter to the kind of voter in play. Like, are these people even paying attention, outside maybe old people social media?
You're probably right. But dang it's hard for me to imagine someone who has made up their minds to vote but doesn't listen to or read any political news at all.
 

Spehornoob

Member
Nov 15, 2017
10,642

I've mentioned before that I grew up in a very conservative area and, yeah, with a lot of conservative values. My first vote was for John McCain in 2008, and while there's no chance I'd vote the same way nowadays, it's not a vote I feel shame or regret over (outside of Palin and the tea party being the canary in the coal mine for what the party would become).

I wish the Republican party was a party of John McCains about now.
 

Osu 16 Bit

QA Lead at NetherRealm Studios
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
3,031
Chicago, IL
Fair point but say they don't know anything why is he gaining momentum?


They could be 2016 Trump to 2020 Biden voters who held out deciding as they learned more about Harris. Now they've seen enough boomer social media or commercials about her being a communist so they're back to him.

If you can stomach it listen to Sarah Longwell's focus group podcast. These voters are real. It's mind boggling.
 
Nov 27, 2020
5,606
Anything can happen obviously, but I just can't square these anemic rallies with him being a coin toss away from winning even the electoral college. People are fucking tired of him
Rally size doesn't equal votes. Remember in 2020…Trump was having absolutely massive rallies, while Biden was talking to socially distanced people in parking lots. There was a massive discrepancy in their rally attendance, bigger than the difference between Trump and Harris'.
 

gotanysnacks

Member
Jul 27, 2024
35
I've mentioned before that I grew up in a very conservative area and, yeah, with a lot of conservative values. My first vote was for John McCain in 2008, and while there's no chance I'd vote the same way nowadays, it's not a vote I feel shame or regret over (outside of Palin and the tea party being the canary in the coal mine for what the party would become).

I wish the Republican party was a party of John McCains about now.

oh god I forgot about the tea party. I don't like looking back on that time comparatively fondly.