I think the only slippery slope has already occurred - that is this spilling over to how anti-semitism is handled different than other offenses. They're inherently connected issues. Especially given some comments on this site directly.
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Normally, I'd agree 100% with you that whatever forum staff says on their own twitter accounts is none of our business, but I can't help but feel a little bit more conflicted about the notion of the viewpoints GoldenEye mentioned possibly influencing forum moderation policy, since the person who held them is involved in setting and enforcing said policy.
(disclaimer: no, that's not a silent approval of doxxing)
What admins say and do when it overlaps their actions here do matter though! And that's literally how Era came to be.
To be clear I'm not supporting doxxing. But I do think admins/mods holding viewpoints of certain countries not existing matters - no matter how it comes to light.
This ENTIRE FORUM was derived from the exodus of those escaping the owner, whom turned out to be a terrible human being, of said previous forum.
The issue is this isn't publicly available information. You can't just easily Google it. You would have to go through suspicious websites that finds that information through illegal means to get it. That's why it's not worth digging for something that requires illegal activity that harms users on this very forum.
Correct, however, you don't need doxxing... just read the admin posts here from the very source.
The post where the admin said Israel shouldn't be committing genocide?
If I said the collective nation of jewish people are committing genocide, it's simply not true. It would also cause me to be perm'd per our own TOS.
Israel was originally founded to be the Jewish state, however. That isn't really controversial. That's why anti-Israel rhetoric often overlaps with anti-Semitism.
Unfortunately, the way that post reads:
"Nothing you've said gives either the current state of Israel, or the collective nation of Jewish people, the right to be commiting genocide."
It's not saying simply the state of Israel is committing genocide, but the "collective nation of Jewish people" is best case saying that the entire Jewish population of Israel is responsible. Worst case is they are saying all Jews, everywhere. Either way you cut it, it's an incredibly sweeping generalization, lacking in nuance, and is clearly anti-Semitic.
I agree it was poorly phrased and the admin should have elaborated themselves. Unfortunately that never happened.
Would any non mod or admin have been around after that point to have the opportunity to explain themselves if this had been any other topic?
Probably not, therein lies the problem, which is why Brady's ban is all the more ridiculous.
Being a Jewish state and "the collective nation of Jewish people" are two very very different things
The emphasis on the people makes it problematic for sure which is why the admin should have elaborated themselves instead of saying something that upset lots of users and leaving. If the admin just said Israel and not bring in the "collective nation of Jewish people" part, we likely wouldn't even be talking about that post.
The admin did attempt to elaborate several posts down when people called them out about it, but that elaboration amounted to "obviously reading comprehension shows I DIDN'T say that".
Which might as well be gaslighting when their post in question literally said "the collective nation of Jewish people". Seems pretty clear what they said, even with reading comprehension. Especially with reading comprehension.
Don't even know what kiwifarms is, but disappointing to have lost even more members. This all could have been prevented by a simple "We made a mistake and we'll work on ensuring moderation practices are consistent, transparent, and not unnecessary punitive."
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Unfortunately with what we know now, we know it wasn't just poorly phrased but the intention.
You swore up and down that a certain staff member wasn't an antisemite. Those tweets - which you have now seemingly confirmed as theirs - prove otherwise. Saying 7 million Israelis who have lived there for generations need to leave is nakedly antisemitic - ESPECIALLY when that conversation started on October 7th.
You may have been able to handwave the "collective nation of Jewish people" comments before, but now? No, no, absolutely not.
If you didn't know about it, this is another Black Chamber situation all over again. The staff were tricked, the truth was found out through publicly available tweets, and no personal information was exposed other than their odious opinions. I won't get into what it means if you did know about it.
Either way, that person has no business being an admin.
Fucking what
Were they out of their minds?! Kiwifarms is a bleeding cesspool!
I haven't even seen the offending tweets and apparently the only way to find those tweets ends up going on KF, so I'd rather not dip my toes in there.
They weren't, because they didn't actually do that.
Not really true. Nothing from there was ever posted here. What was shared here were direct twitter posts, publicly accessible.
As far was what was stated, again, it was that all Israeli Jews either need to leave Israel or give up control. This was on October 7, prior to the current war.
Just to emphasize, it was said on October 7. You know, on the same day that over 1100 Israelis were murdered, many raped, and hundreds kidnapped (many of whom are still hostages). A certain staff member said this stuff.
Yeah....that is a hefty claim to make without solid evidence and pretty uncomfortable to see :/
This is how these community blow-ups always have ended up going (or at least the several I've seen). Someone gets banned for arguably dubious reasons, other users call out the mod team over it, one of the mods that posts in the community regularly will attempt to address it, users continue to poke holes in their reasonings, and then permas start getting handed out until the thread eventually moves on at some point. A contingent of regulars that weren't perma'd choose to no longer participate here, and the community becomes more of a shell of what it once was. PoliEra already moves far, far slower than it did before the prior two blow-ups, so I'm not looking forward to what it will look like after this.
Considering someone else had posted the actual Twitter account and post in question here while this conversation was going last night you probably shouldn't. It was easily visible to anyone here for a brief period.
The twitter account, if I recall correctly, was privated, so it is NOT publicly accessible, so the only way to access that info is through going through websites that are more anti-Semitic than anything said here. Again, as I said before, this shit is a slippery slope that's purely driven by anger and hatred toward one of the staff members.
Because they literally said they found themselves on kiwifarms and a bunch of these guys know it but don't want to be complicit in the nonsense.
You recall incorrectly. It was public. But switched after the posts were already made.
Incorrect, it was set to private about a half hour after being shown here.
I believe it was privated *after* it was posted here last night. Not before.
Again, so the only way to find those posts NOW is going through a Nazi cesspool to prove that a staff member is anti-Semitic. How fucking ironic.
Well yeah. Now that is indeed the only way but at the time it got posted here it wasn't.
That's irrelevant. The point at the time is that it was for anyone to see.
No, it is relevant. It goes to show that those two users went out of their way to get into a Nazi cesspool to prove the staff member they hate said something shitty on social media. I'm done here. I'm not gonna lose my account over this shit.
But that user never went on Kiwifarms. I have no idea where this Kiwifarms accusation is coming from. The Twitter profile was public long enough! What the hell would be the point of going on Kiwifarms?
No it doesn't lmao. Your whole original argument was that it was a private account that required going to random websites to find. When presented with the fact it was not private when the posts were made, you keep the same claim. Creeping wasn't the one who originally posted the account anyway.
So why even talk about the account being private or not?
CreepingFear was not the one that posted the Twitter.
If it was indeed true that they both actually did this, then absolute shame on them for going that route.
Ask the general manager of this website that question, not me.
They didn't. The Twitter profile was public. I don't know how Treble found the profile, but it was public when they shared it. This Kiwifarms accusation makes zero sense, since there would be no need to use Kiwifarms.
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