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A new Pew survey of the 2020 election results, demographically. Their data suggests:

- Trump's boost among black voters was much smaller than some earlier reports suggested (up from 6 to 8%), while Biden's margin among black voters was wider than Hillary's.
- Trump's boost among Latino voters was larger than some earlier reports suggested, with Biden only winning by 21 versus Clinton's 38.
- Biden's win among suburban voters was bigger than exits, etc. suggested, at 54-43.
- the gender gap actually shrank in this election, with Trump winning men only 50-48 while Biden won women 55-44.
- Biden did 4 points better than Clinton among white non-college voters.
 

ak1287

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Oct 28, 2017
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For leaking government documents and not for attacking the NSA though.
... NSA is a government entity, and the documents he leaked directly attacked a surveillance program the NSA was involved in. That distinction seems super pedantic and not useful at all. It's like saying 'that's actually romaine' when someone asks you to pass the lettuce.
 

madstarr12

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Jan 25, 2018
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Those stats for percentage of people voting vs. not voting based on income. Nearly 2/3 of non-voters are people who make less than 50K a year. Gives them less of a reason to vote when it's a significant challenge to even cast a ballot. Too bad the US Senate is useless as usual to make things easier to vote.
 
Those stats for percentage of people voting vs. not voting based on income. Nearly 2/3 of non-voters are people who make less than 50K a year. Gives them less of a reason to vote when it's a significant challenge to even cast a ballot. Too bad the US Senate is useless as usual to make things easier to vote.
Not that I disagree in any way that voting laws need to be overhauled, but a conversation with the overwhelming bulk of non-voters would tell you that the ease or difficulty of voting isn't really a factor for them.
 

JesseEwiak

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Oct 31, 2017
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Not that I disagree in any way that voting laws need to be overhauled, but a conversation with the overwhelming bulk of non-voters would tell you that the ease or difficulty of voting isn't really a factor for them.

Yup, this idea it's policy or ideology stopping most people from voting really is false. On the margins, yes, but your normal non-voter doesn't vote because they think all politicians (yes, even the ones you like) are all the same, and don't connect any positive _or_ negative change from politics. In reality, among the non-voters don't vote, it's not because there are no socialists or frankly, no right-wing extremists on the ballot, but there's nobody with their weird views on the ballot.

There are far more people who don't vote because they want for example, pot legalized, zero taxes on business, single payer on healthcare, and no immigration, and neither party is giving them that than there are non-voters because the Democrat's aren't left-wing enough.
 

Tamanon

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Oct 25, 2017
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Snowden wasn't punished for attacking the NSA. He broke the law, and that is why he is wanted. People assail the NSA's practices daily (for both wrong and right incidents) without retribution.
 

GoldenFlex

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Snowden wasn't punished for attacking the NSA. He broke the law, and that is why he is wanted. People assail the NSA's practices daily (for both wrong and right incidents) without retribution.
Exactly. They're laughing at how dumb tucker is, not sending some elite internet squad after him.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yup, this idea it's policy or ideology stopping most people from voting really is false. On the margins, yes, but your normal non-voter doesn't vote because they think all politicians (yes, even the ones you like) are all the same, and don't connect any positive _or_ negative change from politics. In reality, among the non-voters don't vote, it's not because there are no socialists or frankly, no right-wing extremists on the ballot, but there's nobody with their weird views on the ballot.

There are far more people who don't vote because they want for example, pot legalized, zero taxes on business, single payer on healthcare, and no immigration, and neither party is giving them that than there are non-voters because the Democrat's aren't left-wing enough.
Also can't be overstated just how many people simply do not care about voting and politics, and never will.
 

Diablos

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What happened to Sinema? She went from attacking the Joe Lieberman type to BEING the Joe Lieberman type. What the hell??
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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What happened to Sinema? She went from attacking the Joe Lieberman type to BEING the Joe Lieberman type. What the hell??

People change. Sometimes for the worse though I imagine part of what makes her sucky these days likely existed back then too. Cold political calculations about what gets her elected/reelected probably plays a role too.
 

gaugebozo

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Oct 25, 2017
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So I was reading this story https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...higan-republican-truth-election-fraud/619326/ about a Michigan Republican who led the election investigation and came to his own conclusion that the fraud claims were a big lie and this part stuck out:
The committee reviewed a list of 200 deceased Wayne County residents who allegedly voted from the grave; it found two instances in which ballots were cast under those names, and both cases were clerical errors. (One man mistakenly voted under the identity of a dead relative who had the same name; one woman returned her absentee ballot, then died four days before the election.)
The woman is 100% my mother. She lived in Wayne County, I helped her submit her absentee ballot, and then she died October 30th.

The thing that gets me is that she was a huge Trump supporter. She watched Newsmax all day except when she was listening to Rush Limbaugh, and she got a flood of conservative mail because she donated (I just got a request from Sarah Huckabee Sanders yesterday sent to her that called her a true friend of Donald Trump).

She also was a lifetime voting advocate who worked at the polls for 30 years. I can't imagine a worse example for these Republican grifters. My brother and I are solid Democratic voters, but went to the city clerk before the election to tell them she died and they shrugged. Fuck every person involved in this lie.
 
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SchuckyDucky

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Nov 5, 2017
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So I was reading this story about a Michigan Republican who led the election investigation and came to his own conclusion that the fraud claims were a big lie and this part stuck out:

The woman is 100% my mother. She lived in Wayne County, I helped her submit her absentee ballot, and then she died October 30th.

The thing that gets me is that she was a huge Trump supporter. She watched Newsmax all day except when she was listening to Rush Limbaugh, and she got a flood of conservative mail because she donated (I just got a request from Sarah Huckabee Sanders yesterday sent to her that called her a true friend of Donald Trump).

She also was a lifetime voting advocate who worked at the polls for 30 years. I can't imagine a worse example for these Republican grifters. My brother and I are solid Democratic voters, but went to the city clerk before the election to tell them she died and they shrugged. Fuck every person involved in this lie.
Sorry to hear about your mom.
 

kalindana

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ALITO, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and THOMAS, GORSUCH, KAVANAUGH, and BARRETT, JJ., joined. GORSUCH, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which THOMAS, J., joined. KAGAN, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which BREYER and SOTOMAYOR, JJ., joined.
www.npr.org

The Supreme Court Deals A New Blow To Voting Rights, Upholding Arizona Restrictions

The justices, in a 6-3 opinion, narrowed the only major section of the landmark Voting Rights Act that remains in effect.
slate.com

The Supreme Court Just Mangled the Voting Rights Act Beyond Recognition

Don’t buy Alito’s spin: Equal access to the ballot is dead.
 
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shadow_shogun

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Manu Raju
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"Who gives a shit?" Kinzinger told reporters, per @AnnieGrayerCNN, when asked about McCarthy's threat that members who accept any Pelosi request to serve on Jan. 6 select committee will lose rest of their committee slots
10:05 AM · Jul 1, 2021


Manu Raju
@mkraju
"When you've got people that say crazy stuff and you're not gonna make that threat, to make the threat the truth tellers, you've lost, you know any credibility and then so that's all I'm gonna say on it," he added
10:06 AM · Jul 1, 2021
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Thanks for sharing that anecdote. Disrespect, and a final indignity with a shrug.

Good thing people are starting to tire of these fraud claims and "audits". Their plan was to try this in every state they could, but with it going so sour for them in AZ in the past week I'm not sure how that's going to go now. They may have underestimated the number of people who bought into the over-the-air BS but also still civically participate locally, we'll see.
 

Blader

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's really high time the Republican party splintered. There's no way this works.
There's no splintering because Kinzinger is far and away in the minority of his party (and to put a finer point on it, he won't even be in office come 2023). Most Republican voters believe Trump's lie about the election. That's not a party at war with itself; just a party at war with the rest of the country.
 

Sheepinator

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Thanks for sharing that anecdote. Disrespect, and a final indignity with a shrug.

Good thing people are starting to tire of these fraud claims and "audits". Their plan was to try this in every state they could, but with it going so sour for them in AZ in the past week I'm not sure how that's going to go now. They may have underestimated the number of people who bought into the over-the-air BS but also still civically participate locally, we'll see.
What happened in AZ? Didn't find any bamboo, or other fraud?
 

kalindana

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ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, except as to Part II– B–1. KAVANAUGH and BARRETT, JJ., joined that opinion in full, ALITO and GORSUCH, JJ., joined except as to Part II–B–1, and THOMAS, J., joined except as to Parts II–B–1 and III–B. THOMAS, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and concurring in the judgment. ALITO, J., filed an opinion concurring in part and concurring in the judgment, in which GORSUCH, J., joined. SOTOMAYOR, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which BREYER and KAGAN, JJ., joined.
www.npr.org

The Supreme Court Throws Out A State Law Requiring Nonprofits To Name Rich Donors

By a 6-3 vote, the court ruled that California unconstitutionally applied its law requiring nonprofits to file a list of their large donors with the state.
 
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Congress should definitely include donor disclosure requirements in the For The People Act but it's very clear that it's going to be among the provisions that SCOTUS guts in it.
 

No Depth

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Oct 27, 2017
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This morning's decisions help prove the SCOTUS makeup is not protecting or securing the rights of all American citizens and the people.

Blatantly obvious whom the rulings are protecting.
 

SasaBassa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Absolutely garbage rulings and more proof that the judiciary is just as political a branch as the executive and legislative

We need to win elections and expand this motherfucker

I get that people don't like ultimatums and that "vote Dem or else" sometimes gets a hostage negotiation tenor - it really does at times - but like, the alternative is no country and wasted decades of good people who fought for more. Don't want to see it go down like that because of shitty republicans betting on the judiciary and seeing that bet pay out time after time.

SCotUS going out of this session sad as fuck. Jesus.
 

Dierce

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don't understand the conservative obsession with protecting the rich. The rich are the least deserving of protection in any society, they can easily fend for themselves.
 
Oct 22, 2020
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These SCOTUS decisions probably decrease the likelihood that Manchin is going to be willing to reform the filibuster in order to pass the For The People Act.

If he perceives that SCOTUS is going to torch the whole thing, he's probably really unlikely to gut the filibuster in order to pass it.
 

Casa

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wonder how all of those "ah well, I guess these right wing justices aren't actually as bad as we feared" talking heads on CNN and MSNBC feel now after a few favorable rulings in recent weeks.

Some hosts even trashed Dems for being hyperbolic and "disgraceful" for viciously going after Kavanaugh and ACB.

Trash decisions that Dems basically can't do anything about.
 

·feist·

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Oct 26, 2017
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- disclosing the location of the Speaker of the House to armed insurrectionists

plus:


Alli Hedges Maser
@AllisonLHedges
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@GOPLeader
McCarthy threatening to strip any GOP member of their committee assignments if they serve on the 1/6 commission.

Here's a reminder of what he's fine with though:


Alli Hedges Maser
@AllisonLHedges
· May 6
To recap:
- calling for violence before an insurrection
- casual white supremacy
- allegations of paying for underage sex
- accusations of ignoring sexual abuse
- Jewish space lasers
...all fine in @GOPLeader McCarthy's book.

@JohnBerman​
 

Chrome Hyena

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Oct 30, 2017
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So, to me this means the pressure will be back on those two about voting rights, with the SC saying that congress needs to figure this out. If they want to "save democracy" as they claim, then they'd realize this is literally it.
 
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