Not many politicians have managed this disaster well but Keisha Lance Bottoms surely has.
Now you can't just leave it hanging like that! Do you have any examples?
In 2020 even (the vast majority of) small c conservatives stand with the police above anyone else.I'm such a tease!
Seriously though I've beaten on it before but dealing with police unions isn't going to be a comfortable thing for most local Democratic politicians and will be divisive among their allies. Small-c conservatives supporting the moves will help.
I agree but I also recognize he has to win an election and minimize any potential positions that would be political poison. I think that sucks, but it is what it is. That said, January 21, you have my sword, my liege.Absolutely agreed, and that's why I've been starting with the very basic question of why Joe Biden can't seem to speak about the violence the police have been exhibiting to the protestors. If he wants to lead, he needs to lead. Lead by example. Take a stand. Show some grit. Show us he won't let the police get away with their fascism.
Well, you know my stance on that. At the very least, the neoliberal form of capitalism must be crushed. The economic violence and systemic racism that black communities face is upheld by it.
And to me, it seems that the cracks in the dam are spreading.
So the concrete result you can point to happened days ago before 90% of the violence occurred? What has happened since then? de Blasio would call up the national guard and then the army before he would ever considered resigning. The only outcome would be a lot of dead or injured protesters and a lot of burned out businesses but no change. Maybe at the end de Blasio is so weakened by this that he doesn't run again but I'd bet money that he would be replaced by a more right wing politician that promised to keep people safe. Because when push comes to shove that's what people vote for.
I don't hate on socialism (I'll be honest I'm nowhere as versed as you)
I'm such a tease!
Seriously though I've beaten on it before but dealing with police unions isn't going to be a comfortable thing for most local Democratic politicians and will be divisive among their allies. Small-c conservatives supporting the moves will help.
Virginia GOP on Twitter
“Today, the Republican Party of Virginia called on Delegate Lee Carter (D-Manassas) to resign for abusing his power as an elected official in the Commonwealth of Virginia to bully and intimidate law enforcement officers and threaten to cut police budgets. https://t.co/7RX54ImRl6”twitter.com
My existence in PoliEra is tenuous enough, want my career on Wall Street to come up in Socialism Era? Lol 😂Well, you know, there's a great place full of resources to read from...
So your point is that bc there was a riot early in the history of the LGBT movement, that's the reason for all of that community's gains? That's a take. How did they ultimately win? Through public opinion and local, state, federal gov't, and the SC enshrining their rights through elected power. And they are still under siege!The entire modern LGBT movement, and all the rights we have gained and the changes that have happened, came from a riot. Because people who had been silenced and beaten so often eventually pushed back in the only way they could.
And yes, they burnt buildings. And trashed police cars. And fought and kicked and screamed.
And, ultimately, *they won*.
So don't tell me that rioting accomplishes nothing.
My existence in PoliEra is tenuous enough, want my career on Wall Street to come up in Socialism Era? Lol 😂
Wrong, it's the biggest factor but Derek Chauvin wasn't arrested because of voting.
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Nervous for his safety amid the protests outside the White House gates on Friday night, Secret Service agents abruptly rushed Trump to the underground bunker used in the past during terrorist attacks. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/trump-protests-george-floyd.html …
Sometimes it helps. Sometimes it helps get Richard Nixon elected. Sometimes it helps George Wallace. MLK specifically warned about it in '68.The entire modern LGBT movement, and all the rights we have gained and the changes that have happened, came from a riot. Because people who had been silenced and beaten so often eventually pushed back in the only way they could.
And yes, they burnt buildings. And trashed police cars. And fought and kicked and screamed.
And, ultimately, *they won*.
So don't tell me that rioting accomplishes nothing.
GOP is spending 20million + to keep you from voting, that should tell you something.Anybody actually saying "just vote!" is definitely missing the point (tho I haven't seen nearly as many posts saying that as posts complaining about it, fwiw). Like, even at a most basic, non-crisis level, it's not like you're supposed to elect the right people and then tune out forever. You always have to keep folks' feet to the fire. There'll always be something new they're not addressing, something old they're not addressing well enough. No elected official is perfect, and constant community engagement on some level is always necessary.
What's going on now is a crisis. It's actually no fewer than 4 at once, off the top of my head. So, yeah, people are pushing for change now, and they're right to. Not all change that needs to happen can happen in the short term, but it has to start there. We can't wait until November for things to start getting better. By all means, everybody should vote, but that's not all that has to be done. For starters, we need to start putting enough pressure on local politicians that it outweighs the pressure they get from police unions. What's going on now (in the abstract) is a pretty great way to do that, tbh.
We can't keep doing this every time a bad cop hurts or kills somebody. That happens a lot!
I mean, fuck, I'm not saying don't vote, lol. It's still a damn powerful tool, despite what the cynics would say.GOP is spending 20million + to keep you from voting, that should tell you something.
So your point is that bc there was a riot early in the history of the LGBT movement, that's the reason for all of that community's gains?
It wasn't directed at you. Voting is only one ingreditent in the recipeI mean, fuck, I'm not saying don't vote, lol. It's still a damn powerful tool, despite what the cynics would say.
It's just... not enough, by itself. Never has been.
Ah, yeah, fair 'nuff.It wasn't directed at you. Voting is only one ingreditent in the recipe
So your point is that bc there was a riot early in the history of the LGBT movement, that's the reason for all of that community's gains? That's a take. How did they ultimately win? Through public opinion and local, state, federal gov't, and the SC enshrining their rights through elected power. And they are still under siege!
Violence can be a spark for change, but you're giving it way too much credit. I am not saying just vote btw. This disaster Voltron requires significant change.
So your point is that bc there was a riot early in the history of the LGBT movement, that's the reason for all of that community's gains? That's a take. How did they ultimately win? Through public opinion and local, state, federal gov't, and the SC enshrining their rights through elected power. And they are still under siege!
Violence can be a spark for change, but you're giving it way too much credit. I am not saying just vote btw. This disaster Voltron requires significant change.
Stonewall it such a weird example for the effectiveness of violent protest. It ignores that the gay community was more aggressively persecuted for the next 25 years until public attitudes finally changed. Andrew Sullivan is generally awful but his writing on how liberals gave up on LGBTQ rights in the 90's is completely on point.
Dude he's become so brazingly dangerous, do brazingly racist.:O my neighbors are pretty loud and I can hear them through my bathroom window sometimes. I just overheard them talking and the old guy in there is saying how Trump is being a fucking idiot for not listening to the protesters and is instead trying to further antagonize things. My mind is blown.
Ben Smith on Twitter
“CNN's Jeff Zucker is thinking about running for Mayor of New York next year https://t.co/SPH9ztdE4f”twitter.com
At least the press conferences will be highly produced
No, in Minneapolis the police union is actually stronger than other cities.Now you can't just leave it hanging like that! Do you have any examples?
Have the voters just been sending the wrong Democrats to power in all these blue cities experiencing rebellion? Elected officials are just part of a larger system; what brings change is sustained effort on the part of the masses to exert their power.
Missed this post - absolutely agree that we need to sustain, but we need to go beyond that, and we especially need to demand better of Democratic politicians.
Can't wait for tone deaf comments on race during the election. No way black folks vote for an of these clowns
No, in Minneapolis the police union is actually stronger than other cities.
Many activists and democrats have tried to bring it to heel. No absolving all cities or democrats but Police Unions have ridiculous power that if other unions had(outside maybe Chicago unions) business would be trembling in their boots.
Do you actually care about black bodies or is everything about political ramifications?What has rioting accomplished besides getting a number of cities shut down and shifting the discussion away from police violence? The longer this goes on the less people are going to care about how blacks are treated in America and the more about wanting their lives to resume, businesses to be protected, etc. This is always what happens when protests turn broadly violent and why they almost never have a positive end.
What has rioting accomplished besides getting a number of cities shut down and shifting the discussion away from police violence? The longer this goes on the less people are going to care about how blacks are treated in America and the more about wanting their lives to resume, businesses to be protected, etc. This is always what happens when protests turn broadly violent and why they almost never have a positive end.
Mass pressure on the right people? You can put mass pressure on most Republican politicians, but they don't care because likely the protesters in that case aren't going to vote for them anyway. Yeah I agree with that.Well, that just fits with my point then - change doesn't come from voting in "the right people", because even the best intentioned people struggle against institutional factors. The only way to overcome that is with mass pressure.
The entire modern LGBT movement, and all the rights we have gained and the changes that have happened, came from a riot. Because people who had been silenced and beaten so often eventually pushed back in the only way they could.
And yes, they burnt buildings. And trashed police cars. And fought and kicked and screamed.
And, ultimately, *they won*.
So don't tell me that rioting accomplishes nothing.
If it were peaceful It would be ignored. Like it historically ( last 15+ years ) has been ignored.What has rioting accomplished besides getting a number of cities shut down and shifting the discussion away from police violence? The longer this goes on the less people are going to care about how blacks are treated in America and the more about wanting their lives to resume, businesses to be protected, etc. This is always what happens when protests turn broadly violent and why they almost never have a positive end.
Oh I agree.Well, that just fits with my point then - change doesn't come from voting in "the right people", because even the best intentioned people struggle against institutional factors. The only way to overcome that is with mass pressure.
Some dems vs no Repubs. I am very disappointed in Tim Walz though. The union must have his ass hard.Oh I agree.
I just don't like this feeding the both sides narrative. You may see some Dem mayors being assholes and some dems put their foot in their mouth but the majority have been on the side of the protests overwhelmingly.
Unfortunately that's the case in a lot of places.Some dems vs no Repubs. I am very disappointed in Tim Walz though. The union must have his ass hard.
Perfect is the enemy of good. Then when Biden doesn't win they'll say he didn't excite us, and it'll be four more years of everything getting worse and courts lost for generation. I agree with others here, he is handling the situation extremely well, about as well as could be expected. It'll never be enough for some though.Because that's a great way to throw an election if the rioting gets worse.
Not only that, it wasn't even him who called in the Guard, it was the Governor.