yeah idk how it would be a job killer anymore than raising the min wage is. there is probably something to be said about it creating an incentive for management to hire workers through smaller businesses or worse yet to higher more workers as 'independent contractors'. i dont know if any of those very obvious downsides offset the political value of marketing a single payer system with no "middleclass" tax increases.
the genius of warren's plan is its funded in such a convoluted way it sort of encourages the average person to completely disengage with the topic outside of 'i dont pay more in taxes? nice'
I think it depends on when you say a job is killed. Look at it this way, currently many employers offer jobs in both part and full time capacities, right, and the part time positions come with health insurance way less than full time positions generally do. Of course there's employers who offer no insurance to either their full time employees nor their part time employees and there's employers who offer insurance to both. But the take away here is they have the capability to do what they want, now, under the current system. Under Warren's plan all part time workers would still cost their employer the same health cost as their full time workers, meaning from that point on there will be many part time jobs and seasonal jobs that don't come to fruition because they would no longer be cost effective compared to how they are now. Having the tax payer shoulder the burden would change that calculus, an employer would now see a new employee as little more than the sum of their hours worked, and I guess unemployment and the smaller taxes they always have to pay on the backside, but the main thing is is if they only have 20 hours of labor to offer a week under Warren's plan it's going to look a lot more expensive.
Something like the minimum wage is different because it's still by the hour, it's not a mandatory relatively large lump sum per employee that you must pay regardless of hours worked. Obviously an increased minimum wage, health care tax per employee or whatever raises the cost of each employee but usually most businesses already try to run with the amount of people they need, they're not usually sitting on tons of useless unneeded employees, so with an increased minimum wage you're usually saying pay the wage or shut down and most will pay the increased minimum wage and everything works out fine, with a few businesses on the margins falling by the wayside, but it's a net win. Still though, even with an increased minimum wage, if you don't offer health insurance if you have 20 hours you want to offer as a job it pretty much won't cost you more than 20 hours labor. Warren's plan will make that 20 hours of labor plus 98% of whatever their average healthcare cost is. So most likely an employer would hold of on offering positions until it's absolutely necessary so that it's most cost effective. Of course this is what they always do we're just changing the math to where it'd be cost effective for them.
I just don't think it's wrong to say it'll cost jobs, I'd be willing to bet it would. It's simple math. As I said in the thread about her plan, I imagine it'd mainly be part-time jobs lost. I'm sure that some companies may use any bill passing as an opportunity to re-evaluate their staffing but I find that somewhat irrelevant, much like some companies re-evaluated their health care providers and staffing when the AHCA was passed. It's just something that would happen because any large shift in policy will get a bunch of companies to look at this stuff at one time instead of it being staggered around on their own schedules. But the decreased part-time job creation I do think would be a direct effect of Warren's proposal.
Now, like you say, whether that offsets the fact you can run around and say "no middle class tax hike," I dunno. Personally I think it's the wrong way to go about it but without a crystal ball I can't say if it'd get passed a different way. Can't even say it'd get passed this way. I just think it's better to not do the tax that way.
Personally I want the companies that want to play loose with their hours to be free enough to be loose with their hours, I know part-time positions aren't great but I think there'd be a lot of turmoil that would accompany any M4A bill being passed and I think there'll be coming turmoil with self driving vehicles and the like, I want as many jobs as possible out there to lessen the blow.
