It's also never going to happen. Because it's fictional. The dude can't hit 20% in the primary, but he has MILLIONS who are going to march on the capital? Like Mitch will give two shits about that.
The revolution is never coming.
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It's also never going to happen. Because it's fictional. The dude can't hit 20% in the primary, but he has MILLIONS who are going to march on the capital? Like Mitch will give two shits about that.
The revolution is never coming.
Legit can't tell if this is parody or copypasta. Sanders failing in 2016 and seemingly 2020 should show that this is in the realm of fantasy.
Basically, yeah. Usually move about in large groups although sometimes come in with their parents.
All I'll say to that is that Bernie was a relative unknown in 2016, and some elections are won and some are lost. As for the current primary, it's not over yet.
I don't understand the logic here at all. Politicians calling for the people to fight with them is not exceptional at all. It's pretty bog standard.
Yeah it was also a realm of fantasy of Trump winning. Biden lost two elections, and here he is on top for now. Never did I say that Bernie will definitely win, but I won't count him out until the end.
Then you won't get the change you want. It's as simple as that.
"Everyone I don't like is the ESTABLISHMENT", just like everyone fucking said in 2016.
Relative to what?
Just so we are on the same page here, what change do I want?
Politics is bottom-up, not top down. Which is why those obsessesd with with the failure of Sanders' candidacies being a death knell for progress are delusional and will never accomplish anything, because they're just pop stans with a candidate in place of a singer.
Bernie lucked out because Biden didn't enter the race in 2016 and got 30% of the electorate he wouldn't have otherwise.
True story, Sanders lost me forever when he called Planned Parenthood The Establishment™.
Kinda like how Warren rallied outside progressive groups, combined with building pressure in the Senate, to kill Obama's nomination of Larry Summers as Fed Chair and got Janet Yellen appointed instead?
Or how she's constantly pitching herself with the line "I know what's broken, I know how to fix it, and we're building the grassroots movement to get it done." Like that?
This recent concern trolling that Warren isn't going about building and maintaining a movement just seems like bullshit taking points from people who didn't even bother to look into her political career. Outsider agitation and energy combined with insider knowledge and power has been, like, her modus operandi for her entire political career. A career that's only a decade old and already has a ton of accomplishments.
There's a reason the progressive groups were originally pushing for Warren to run in 2016, and Sanders all but said in 2015 that he would only run if Warren didn't.
I like Bernie and enthusiastically supported him in 2016, but his refusal to come out against the filibuster, and his reticence towards tackling other systemic reforms, basically make him a non starter for me. You aren't going to enact and maintain real change without restructuring the Senate, the courts, and ditching the EC.
Let me reframe the question then.
What change are you talking about, specifically? Politicians of all stripes very often call on the people to rally behind them. It's kinda a fundamental part of winning an election. So how does a thing that has been done since the beginning of Democracy get us the change we want?
personally he lost me forever when a bunch of his social media supporters decided demonizing me for not obsessively campaigning for him in 2015 while i was still undecided was a good play and it seems like most of his support has remained On This Brand since then
people like his policies and the version of his record they have invented in their heads and the way creating new laws work in their heads, furthermore we live in an age where one can curate their social media so that they really only interact with like minded individuals (which is fine, making friends with folks who have similar interests as you is a pretty normal thing despite what all the weirdos who complain about ~echo chambers~ would have you believe), and that coupled with how social media algorithms promote content to you, leads folks to believe the amount of support a politician has is far greater than it actually is.
It's really amazing how all of politics can be boiled down to Drag Race Gifs, isn't it?
That's interesting. I have a similar thing, but it's about being called a white bro by white liberals for supporting Bernie
This week will be one to remember (and/or black out, depending on your predicament).
I mean, I've said it before...
But Bernie Sanders is only even a thing because:
You can see exactly how successful he would have been without the specific set of events in 2016.
Because he entered the 2020 race with a shit ton more advantages (existing mailing lists and donor bases, near 100% name recognition, residual campaign funds from his 2016 campaign that he stashed away) and he's flailing about.
The idea that he is somehow The ONE, and without him everything will fall, is laughable.
But Bernie Sanders is only even a thing because:
- Hillary Clinton cleared the primary field.
- Elizabeth Warren decided not to run.
You can see exactly how successful he would have been without the specific set of events in 2016.
Because he entered the 2020 race with a shit ton more advantages (existing mailing lists and donor bases, near 100% name recognition, residual campaign funds from his 2016 campaign that he stashed away) and he's flailing about.
The idea that he is somehow The ONE, and without him everything will fall, is laughable.
I admit that people tuning out after the election is a massive worry. However, this is not a worry that doesnt include Bernie.
Like, the whole "lets primary people who disagree". Ok, fine, lets say that Sinema doesnt want the green new deal. Whats the plan, supporting her primary opponent in four years? Lets say Kelly kicks out McSalty and he doesnt want M4A, are you supposed to support an adversary in six years?
"Be careful Senator Gideon, or I will get you out of your seat...in six years, if I win reelection".
Also, getting people to mobilize in general is pretty difficult. How many people would march with President Sanders in Arizona? It would be cool and it might drop Sinema"s approval a bit...but will it be enough to twist her arm? What if she uses that march in her advantage and says "see? Im not an average democrat, i break ranks bc im a true independent"? What if going to West Virginia to shit on Manchin actually raises his approvals?
Now multiply that question tenfold and ask it for every single important bill. The bully pulpit sounds cool in theory but it starts to seem like a nightmare when you rationalize it.
Briahna has time and again showcased that you don't need to be white and male to be a toxic Bernie fan.
Why does this remind me of Trump's "I and I alone can fix this"
Oh wait, I know exactly why.
I suppose it could be possible that the decided loser of the 2016 primary against Clinton, the evil harpy who had decades of pointed smears labeled against her, who himself is now the third place candidate in the 2020 early primary (yes, there are still 111 days until Iowa) with little positive movement in his numbers despite a very high name recognition, who hasn't done a ton in his near lifetime of politics, will march on Washington as President with a massive multi-million person mob with a list of demands and is the only* candidate/person/leader who can do it.
But I'm probably very biased because Sanders lost me after the time I met him at a grocery store in Vermont. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn't want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, "Oh, like you're doing now?" I was taken aback, and all I could say was "Huh?" but he kept cutting me off and going "huh? huh? huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like "Sir, you need to pay for those first." At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually "to prevent any electrical infetterence," and then turned around and winked at me. I don't even think that's a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
*ignoring all those other massive marches that he had nothing to do with.
But I'm probably very biased because Sanders lost me after the time I met him at a grocery store in Vermont. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn't want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, "Oh, like you're doing now?" I was taken aback, and all I could say was "Huh?" but he kept cutting me off and going "huh? huh? huh?" and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like "Sir, you need to pay for those first." At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually "to prevent any electrical infetterence," and then turned around and winked at me. I don't even think that's a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
*ignoring all those other massive marches that he had nothing to do with.
This story is amazing. I don't even care if it's true or not.
Reads like they purchased video from a source but it was fake.
You must stay away from OT. It's a copy pasta typically reserved for fake celebrity stories.
i had a lot of emotions while reading this post. Took me a second to recognize the copypasta
If I were a celebrity, I'd be tempted to do this to somebody. No one would ever believe them.
I agree, it is the reasoning that Trump controls the Republican Party. He has massive amount of support among Republican voters and those voters are crucial for elections. The level of support for Sanders in concentrated in select areas. Republicans and some Democrats aren't going to succumb under pressure from people that aren't from their state or district. Sanders support has to be wide ranging with large level of support from critical demographics.
His ideas are popular, but that doesn't mean that many of those people are going to DC to protest.
My favorite part of this story is how the celebrity gives the narrator such a hard time, but then when the electrical infetterance thing comes up they're nice enough to let them in on the joke.
This is a basic problem and I've pointed out this before.
The problem is that most of the moderate Democrat's aren't actually up for re-election when Bernie can pressure them. For example, here are the re-election dates (after 2020) of some various moderate Senate Democrats.
2022 - Michael Bennett (CO), Chuck Schumer (NY)
2024 - Sinema (AZ), Carper (DE), King (ME), Klobuchar (MN), Tester (MT), Kaine (VA), Manchin (WV)
2026 - Probably John Hickenlooper (CO), Chris Coons (DE), Mark Warner (VA)
So, the vast majority of Senator's that can actually cause Bernie problems are either running for re-election in 2024, when Bernie will likely be busy with his re-election campaign or safe for re-election beyond Bernie's first term. You know what I say, if I'm Chris Coons or John Hickenlooper and I've got Bernie protesting me when I legitimately don't want to support single payer or whatever - "It's five years and x months 'til the next primary for my seat. Come back then."
No, but it would have been actually competitive, so it would have been more interesting.
Worse because Clinton would have had a bigger challenge again Biden and wouldn't have handled him with kid gloves.
It's one of the few I like to read through whenever posted because of how stupid it is and the "infetterance" detail.
Nope. I think Hillary would have won the nomination in this scenario too, but the difference is Biden wouldn't have been nearly as divisive and disruptive when it was all but guaranteed that he wouldn't be the nominee.
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