He's right on, fuck these assholes trying to make America 'great' again.
Today will not be the day I root for TI's no good hotep ass.
Nope.
...ugh, it's Candace Owen's.
we are waiting for saudi arabia to tell us who to bomb for them? nothing concerning about that... nope, nothing at all
TI is hotep? Thought it was Killer Mike.Today will not be the day I root for TI's no good hotep ass.
Nope.
...ugh, it's Candace Owen's.
we are waiting for saudi arabia to tell us who to bomb for them? nothing concerning about that... nope, nothing at all
This strikes me as pretty implausible.
So, the upsides of impeaching everybody are: (1) you signal that you care about their bad behavior, (2) you maybe find more bad behavior, and (3) you maybe help the public understand that there is bad behavior in the first place. I only see (1) and (2) in your post and I can't really think of others.
I have no idea how anyone can think that (1) is a big advantage in a general election. Almost no one is really really mad that Democrats won't impeach Kavanaugh and yet isn't already really really mad about Trump and already going to turn out to vote against him. Likewise it is a little hard to see how (2) makes a big difference if it's more of the same kind of thing -- obviously the public is not already up in arms about Kavanaugh's bad behavior, and it is already pretty bad.
Meanwhile there are significant risks. Maybe it comes across as the Democrats just going after everyone in the administration and people don't take it seriously. Maybe people don't think Democrats are focused on doing good policy stuff. Maybe it just makes it harder for Democrats in more conservative districts/states to get their message out and win elections. It probably makes sense to be rather risk-averse here since Democrats are favored in the election anyway.
That's impeachment generally, I guess. For underlings in particular I think a big problem is that if you impeach them but not Trump himself then the whole thing looks bizarre. And it is possible that the votes are simply not yet there in the House to impeach Trump. Maybe some Democrats think it's bad strategy nationally and so don't want to go along with it. Maybe some Democrats (probably pretty justifiably) believe that it's bad strategy in their districts/states and so don't want to go along with it, and can even credibly threaten to vote against it on the floor. Like, if that's the case then surely Pelosi's doing exactly what you'd want her to be doing.
And I just don't think Republicans would be impeaching left and right given similar trends in public opinion. Now, I think that if you had a Democratic administration which was nearly this corrupt they'd get impeached, but that's because by this point lots of Democrats would also be on board with impeachment. But, like, they didn't even impeach the Butcher of Benghazi. You get to fire up your base just as much without impeachment, because your base is paying attention to partisan news sources that are constantly mad about the people you're not impeaching, and you don't need to take the risk of impeachment with the general public.
I feel like answering "What era was America great during" with some bullshit about slavery implies that your preferred era to return to was when we had slavery.What era do we want to go back to?
Slavery was everywhere you know.
I wonder if he'd give a public rant if he got impeached by the house.The only way Kavanaugh is leaving is through retiring out of shame. So, it's not going to happen.
I hope I am wrong.
"But black people were in their place!" -RacistsI feel like answering "What era was America great during" with some bullshit about slavery implies that your preferred era to return to was when we had slavery.
You know, the same time we were massacring Native Americans for their land, women couldn't vote or hold jobs, there were no child labor laws, and oh yeah, we had fucking slavery.
"Great post!" Thanks! But seriously I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish when people can just read my post and see how you've tried to make it seem like I'm saying something I'm not.
"Great post!" Thanks! But seriously I'm not sure what you're hoping to accomplish when people can just read my post and see how you've tried to make it seem like I'm saying something I'm not.
You can view my posts.
Impeach everyone!
And see all the impeachments go nowhere.
And then what? Lol.
I think people are living in a Twitter bubble.
Kavanaugh is gross and should not have been confirmed. He probably should be removed. There are not enough votes to remove him.
It's just completely disgusting and baffling that Candace Owens seems to want to go back to the pre-Lincoln America. What does she think she'd be, the master's favorite slave? The highest second-class citizen is still a second-class citizen."But black people were in their place!" -Racists
Same shit happens even today. If something helps black people as well as white people, racists are against it.
To be honest, complaining and saying "get it together" is still better than firing all of them
It's just completely disgusting and baffling that Candace Owens seems to want to go back to the pre-Lincoln America. What does she think she'd be, the master's favorite slave? The highest second-class citizen is still a second-class citizen.
Meanwhile there are significant risks. Maybe it comes across as the Democrats just going after everyone in the administration and people don't take it seriously. Maybe people don't think Democrats are focused on doing good policy stuff. Maybe it just makes it harder for Democrats in more conservative districts/states to get their message out and win elections. It probably makes sense to be rather risk-averse here since Democrats are favored in the election anyway.
He doesn't deserve any credit, he'd fire them if he had the power. He just can't.To be honest, complaining and saying "get it together" is still better than firing all of them
Not being able to remove in the Senate is irrelevant. Impeachment inquiries are the only way to drag crime and corruption by the Executive into the light and take away their plausible deniability. Not impeaching literally encourages future corruption. Oversight is in the job description.
It's also good for elections, every damned time. Don't impeach Clinton and then Gore's margins would have been too great to steal.
I'd agree that the risks don't seem that large as far as big political things go. You could certainly come up with ideas that are much more dangerous to the party, and a bad outcome here is probably something like 1% country-wide, not total disaster (although obviously if that's the 1% that puts Trump over the top, etc.). At the same time it's not very clear what the possible benefits are that would justify these (not huge) risks. I laid out three in my earlier post, and like I said I think two of them are basically nothing. By far the strongest argument for impeachment that I'm aware of is the third one, that the pomp and circumstance of a bona fide impeachment might actually get the public (well, swing voters) to realize that these are bad dudes. Like, what is "the potential cost of not holding the Trump Administration accountable", where of course by "holding the Trump Administration accountable" we mean the House voting to say that Trump should be removed from office and then nothing happening?I understand these precautions, but I don't view any of this as significantly risky.
1) Democrats are already being portrayed by Republicans and the mainstream media as "going after everyone in the administration" because...they are. And I think there's more to gain by being loud and clear-eyed about that. We're dealing with the most openly corrupt administration in American history. Seriously, we don't know what the extent is, the level of corruption that has taken place in the WH in the past behind the scenes. But on the basis of what we know is happening today? There has not been a more corrupt administration in the history of our country. No administration more deserving of extensive investigation and impeachment. I've been pretty hard on Congressional Democrats, but the one olive branch I toss them is acknowledging we are truly in uncharted waters. But, as far as "going after everybody," the circumstances dictate that they have to. They are morally and ethically charged with this responsibility. It will absolutely be a failure if they don't, regardless of the political calculus. But that almost doesn't matter because what the Democrats actually do will have no bearing on what everyone else will say they're doing. So own it.
2) Most people aren't under any pretense that Democrats can get "good policy stuff" done now. The general perception right now is that Congress isn't doing anything. Which, yeah, not true. But those messaging bills Democrats are focusing on aren't really getting a message through. Hence why Pelosi is walking around the Hill ready to pop off on journalists.
3)There are Democrats in conservative districts openly pushing for impeachment at this point. There comes a point where it starts to feel like we're just for covering for the political cowardice of the moderates, and not considering the potential cost of not holding the Trump Administration accountable. We've fallen into this pit again where we're counting on Trump to drive our base's enthusiasm. Mush-mouthed moderates are threatening to go against the party on this? Hold loud hearings. Put all the evidence out there. Hold a vote and then dare their asses to vote against impeachment.
Fair enough.He doesn't deserve any credit, he'd fire them if he had the power. He just can't.
Concern trolls are run amok to be honest. There are people who care more about trying to provoke others than truth and integrity, and they do it under the guise of smart politics. Way too much bad faith shit going around and the instigators are a big problem, and pathetic.
I'm way back at the, a floor vote to "launch an impeachment inquiry" would fail, which it would since there are currently only about half of the Democratic caucus who would support this, and basically zero GOP.
And this is ultimately mostly redundant, since the House Judiciary Committee has subpoena and deposition power.
Fair enough.
Why cant he though? Would it just be too much of a mess? I think ive seen his administration do worse things so it wouldnt be that surprising I think.
What does "look pretty bad" mean here, though? If you're a Democrat from a conservative district you're probably not planning on being nationally popular anytime soon anyway. There are definitely some Democratic House members who would benefit from being seen to buck their party on something like this. Off the top of my head I couldn't tell you how many we've got from districts Trump is still fairly popular in and where impeachment is deeply unpopular. Certainly you can tell a story where they won't dare embarrass the party like that, but I can imagine that going the other way. From their perspective it's the party trying to force a terrible vote on them for no reason.Hard disagree on it would fail the floor vote. They have 135+ Dems in support already and they will keep gaining votes as this thing builds momentum towards the end of the year (less than a month ago we had only 90 Dems in favor). And it's going to look pretty bad on the Dems voting against this so they are going to hold their nose and vote for it anyway.
In any case they are doing something in the meantime so probably best to see where the inquiry leads first.