US PoliEra 2019 |OT6| Have You Hurd About These GOP Retirements?
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Was expecting disappointment and am pleasantly surprised. Man has good taste in everything.
I would be okay if people agreed to stop referencing both Bernie not being a real Democrat, and Warren's Republican history.
If someone can go from being a Republican who spoke at the Federalist Society to being one of the most progressive figures in American politics, it shows that people can fundamentally change.
It's why I think it's bad politics to give up the middle ground of people who happen to like Joe Rogan or Dave Chappelle.
No doubt. Then again, I doubt Trump cares about the concept of "no means no."
Well, that's great, but this isn't Wish Upon A Star 2020. We're talking facts here, Boo Boo Kitty.
The thing that Bernie, his campaign, and his supporters need to understand about Warren, is that's she's not Hillary. In Elizabeth Warren, we're talking about a candidate who, in every demonstrable way, by that I mean what they've actually accomplished, is undeniably a more progressive politician than Bernie Sanders. It's clear in how she talks. It's clear in how she moves. It's clear in what she DOES. The fact that she used to be a Republican should be embarrassing for Bernie. We're not laughing with you!
I'm not even saying that to be shady! I've been on the record this whole time saying I want to see a competitive race where contrasts are drawn. I'm done with the kumbaya. But Bernie is going to get steamrolled by Warren if his people don't become clear-eyed about what they're up against. And in Warren, they are up against their progressive superior. WARREN is the Progressive Supreme.
Of course he won't. That's why he has Sirota.
Yeah, this is not exactly a bad anecdote to have in your arsenal when some of your electoral gains are due to R->D swaps in the suburbs.
As far as I can tell Warren just wasn't very active in politics at all prior to the 90s. She was just an ivory tower academic studying financial distress, and this is part of why she changed her affiliation.
This is again where Sanders, never having had a real job, or Buttigieg being 12 helps them.
This is again where Sanders, never having had a real job, or Buttigieg being 12 helps them.
All that planning and expense both countries did for the upcoming trip, and the crybaby cancels at the last minute. Very Presidential.
Don't forget Brie, she revels in the garbage along with Sirota
Don't forget when encouraged followers to dox that account that said a mean thing about Sanders that ended up on MSNBC
Trump was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009, and contributed money to Dems until 2010.
I don't think Sanders Surrogates should keep calling this out, because it framing it this way hurts the cause. Sanders should be converting upper class Reagan voters, not shaming them for being greedy technocrats who arrived at their ideology based upon the efficiency of capital.
Bernie will need those supporters too in the movement. It's going to be fun to see how it goes. If it's Sanders or Warren, it will be real progress for the party and the country even if I don't get my preferred candidate.
Insufferable and not worth anyone's time.
Whoops lol
Also there is a big fucking difference between switching your registration from GOP to Democrat 30 years ago, and pretending to be a Democrat every 4 years so you can run for President.
Not to mention the decades of shitting on the Democratic Party, while still happily taking our money to fund your senate races.
TBH though I hope Bernie's team keeps fucking this chicken, because it makes them look as sad, pathetic and ineffective as most of us have been saying.
Not to mention the decades of shitting on the Democratic Party, while still happily taking our money to fund your senate races.
TBH though I hope Bernie's team keeps fucking this chicken, because it makes them look as sad, pathetic and ineffective as most of us have been saying.
Do you think it says anything about the candidate himself that he attracts these people, staffs them, and puts them in positions of power? Like, they aren't just random people putting this stuff into the ether, they're paid staff. Does that not worry you about potential cabinet positions and staffing to "accomplish" his legislation goals?
Well, Warren has talked a lot about why she became a Dem and why she was a registered Republican in the first place (because they were classical liberals once and actually in favor of regulating capitalist). This isn't something she's hidden. And she didn't vote for Reagan. She has said Gerald Ford was the last Republican President she voted for (and I think she didn't vote for Nixon in 72). By the mid-70s she was already studying and teaching bankruptcy law and middle class economics, which is when she also started to change her political views.
And Warren voters are actually more liberal than others in the current primary electorate, and even more liberal than a lot of Bernie supporters.
I mean, I wouldn't worry about his line of attack much, especially coming from people who hold Tulsi in high regard as well. She was a Republican in her youth coming from a very conservative family and a conservative Democrat well into the 2000s, but her support of Sanders and hatred of Clinton has earned her the devotion of many on the Sanders camp, despite her past political views.
I think a lot of people on his staff have a chip on their shoulder. Sarandon is the person who gained publicity for saying this. She doesn't work on his staff.
Brie was bringing it up to debate the talking point about Sanders. I think sometimes his surrogates get into everything without working through the political strategy.
I think it is a legitimate criticism of Sanders surrogates though and when he brings in non-traditional cabinet members there will be plenty of new controversies to unearth from people being checked by the free press and congress for the first time.
I stand corrected. I wanted Warren to run last time. If Sanders wasn't running I would be 100% behind her too.
Christmas Islands from Australia, then he can tweet about how the Democrat party wants to call them the Holiday Islands, proclaim he's your favorite President who saved Christmas, Thank you Mr. President, then accidentally tell a room full of children there's no Santa.
He's not pretending to be a Democrat. He's leveraging the left-most party. It's the only game in town if you want to run for President without splitting the vote. He repeatedly says he's a Democratic Socialist.
Warren v. Biden primary h2h poll
Disclaimer: it's HarrisX but still 👀
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1163971684812173314?s=19
Disclaimer: it's HarrisX but still 👀
https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1163971684812173314?s=19
Thank you! His hires alone are disqualifying— What a horrifyingly poor lack of judgement he's shown. Can you imagine how shitty his cabinet or VP picks would be? *shudder*
I think it would blow many people's minds on the left and right that a big part of Adam Smith's "free markets" was a warning regulatory capture and the need for government to act as a check on businesses and individuals trying to keep their competition out.
It's HarrisX... Garbo poll.
Anyway... I'm kind of curious what actual accomplishments any of the candidates can point to having achieved in their political careers.
Biden has his Crime Bill which in retrospect did a lot of bad, but also had a few good things like an assault weapon ban.
Warren has the CFPB establishment.
Buttigieg can eat a lot of Fair food.
The rest???? Shrug.
Anyway... I'm kind of curious what actual accomplishments any of the candidates can point to having achieved in their political careers.
Biden has his Crime Bill which in retrospect did a lot of bad, but also had a few good things like an assault weapon ban.
Warren has the CFPB establishment.
Buttigieg can eat a lot of Fair food.
The rest???? Shrug.
I don't understand why anyone would find "she was a Republican" to be a compelling line of attack. Like, Biden or Bernie's histories are relevant because they've been in political office and they've not totally renounced objectionable stuff they've done. Biden has a problem because he's on record supporting bad stuff and there are bad things you can cleanly lay at his feet that he's actually still defending. Warren, on the other hand, had an R next to her name in some state register. And it's very easy to tell a story excusing this -- either she was wrong and learned better and that's why she got into politics, or the Republican party used to be okay, like in the 80s which is before any millennial can even remember to get mad at her for, and now they're bad and that's why she got out. Her switch was so long ago that there's no way to make it look opportunistic and she doesn't have a record in politics that you can use to stick particular bad ideas on her.
White supremacists totally aren't a threat, right? What's this, the third in as many days?
Man Arrested With 17 Guns, Grenade Launcher and Nazi Paraphernalia
"The arrest in New Jersey comes amid a spate of mass shootings as officials grapple with a rising white supremacist threat."
Man Arrested With 17 Guns, Grenade Launcher and Nazi Paraphernalia
"The arrest in New Jersey comes amid a spate of mass shootings as officials grapple with a rising white supremacist threat."
I want to start by saying you engage with people here, so while not directed exactly at you, I know you will understand my parsing a bit and not take offense when I speak a bit broadly.
Part of the reason why some (and I'll only speak for myself) people have against Sanders is his staff, surrogates, and supporters. When you surround yourself with terrible sycophants, bloodhounds, or incompetent people, you start to question the judgement of the person at the top. That's not to say Sanders has complete control and knows exactly what is going on in his campaign at all times, but that he sets up an apparatus that allows for this stuff to repeatedly happen. (And that's not withstanding the criticism Sanders' people [paid or not] levy against his opponents that the person at the top always matters, be it banking CEOs or just campaign chairpeople). When he hires people like Brie, or Sirota, or brings back West (that kind of a good size of AA academics think is washed up at this point and just does grievance politics), where he allows conspiracy theories to fly, people question a few things. First, will he be able to actually pull off anything that he is promising in his campaign? Secondly, will he be able to staff and surround himself by competent people who will pull off his policies or craft them in ways that aren't detrimental, even if he means otherwise. When the details are "a revolution" and marches, eyebrows can raise.
And, that's not to address the double-standard some feel when it comes to flaws of candidates. I know you have acknowledged in the past Sanders' flaws (He supports the Patriots!) but every candidate has flaws. As much as "certain posters" like to think this thread is full of centrists, I don't read anyone really support Biden. The people who like Warren acknowledge her shortcomings; AA vote, etc. Some posters like O'Rourke and Harris (including those that wear her shirt), but if you said "wow, Beto can't debate!" or "She needs to do a better job of explaining her medicare plan and prosector record", you're not going to get pages of posts complaining about the media or whatever.
A lot of his staff might have a chip on their shoulder, but so do a lot of people who had to deal with his petty people snipping at the heals of everyone else. And I kind of mean everyone else. It's not the most liberal candidates (Sanders and Warren) vs the world, it's Sanders vs the world. "She's a cop", "He took money from workers who live in an oil state", "She was a Republican", and so on.
What a stupid hill for the Sanders campaign to die on. Nobody gives a fuck about Sarandon in a positive way.
The WaPo op-ed was, of course, written by failed Trump Labor Secretary nominee, alleged spousal abuser, and former CEO of CKE Enterprises (Hardees, Carl's Jr., Green/Red Burrito), Andy Puzder.
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