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TerminusFox

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Oct 27, 2017
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Since 1968, the first election to make use of the Southern Strategy, the Democrats have had unified control of government (DDD) for exactly eight years - four under Carter, two under Clinton, and two under Obama. (And Carter barely even counts because he had no idea how to work with his majorities!) Considering that we've only controlled the country for 16% of that time, I'd say we've gotten some pretty progressive shit done.

But tell that to people who

think that politics started in 2008, except on those occasions when they dial it back to the '90s to criticize Clinton for being a centrist and everyone but Bernard for voting for the crime bill;
have bought into the celebrity culture of politics, think only of presidential races, and forget you need a CONGRESS to get shit passed;
ignore that Democratic platforms have consistently been center-left for decades and outright ~~~progressive~~~ in the last decade;
can with a straight face say that Democrats who for decades have supported abortion rights, gay rights, universal health care (maybe not single-payer!) are centrist neoliberal shills;
say that Democrats would be "center-right" in Europe even though they can't tell you how Democrats differ meaningfully from any center-left social democratic party. (I'd actually place Democrats farther to the left than many of those parties!)

I just can't anymore. A wise man told me long ago never to argue with baptists or Republicans because they were both holier-than-thou. I need to start applying that maxim to ~~~true progressives~~~.
Sad part is, when you point this out, they always deflect or move the goal posts.

Fucking hell, do I hate the TYT Network and their associates
 

Ether_Snake

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
11,306
Since 1968, the first election to make use of the Southern Strategy, the Democrats have had unified control of government (DDD) for exactly eight years - four under Carter, two under Clinton, and two under Obama. (And Carter barely even counts because he had no idea how to work with his majorities!) Considering that we've only controlled the country for 16% of that time, I'd say we've gotten some pretty progressive shit done.

But tell that to people who

think that politics started in 2008, except on those occasions when they dial it back to the '90s to criticize Clinton for being a centrist and everyone but Bernard for voting for the crime bill;
have bought into the celebrity culture of politics, think only of presidential races, and forget you need a CONGRESS to get shit passed;
ignore that Democratic platforms have consistently been center-left for decades and outright ~~~progressive~~~ in the last decade;
can with a straight face say that Democrats who for decades have supported abortion rights, gay rights, universal health care (maybe not single-payer!) are centrist neoliberal shills;
say that Democrats would be "center-right" in Europe even though they can't tell you how Democrats differ meaningfully from any center-left social democratic party. (I'd actually place Democrats farther to the left than many of those parties!)

I just can't anymore. A wise man told me long ago never to argue with baptists or Republicans because they were both holier-than-thou. I need to start applying that maxim to ~~~true progressives~~~.

That's the real fight: people on the far right don't manage to convince people left of center not to vote, it's those ~~~true progressives~~~ who do.
 

Iolo

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,910
Britain
I guarantee you Trump's next move will be military-related, against the G6. He's going to get the US out of NATO or get troops out of Germany or whatever, stuff like that. End military exercises or cooperation with Canada. No more NORAD.

Wikipedia said:
The NORAD commander and deputy commander (CINCNORAD) are, respectively, a United States four-star general or equivalent and a Canadian three-maple-leaf general or equivalent.

I love Canada
 

VectorPrime

Banned
Apr 4, 2018
11,781
What's Jimmy Dore been up to lately? Still positive that Trump won't be allowed by Republicans to fill Scalia's seat because they would never get rid of the judicial fillibuster?
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
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Auto "Moderate Darling" didact is a national treasure.
I agree.

When I coined the Moderate Darling moniker, I thought the joke would be that, like the politicians who get called moderate, I most certainly am not. But in the last year I've been called a centrist shill too many times for comfort, and it pisses me off.

I also think that when IcedBlackCoffee caught that ban, I got a little louder and more histrionic to compensate. I need to calm down a bit.

Carry on.
 

TheHunter

Bold Bur3n Wrangler
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Oct 25, 2017
25,774
I agree.

When I coined the Moderate Darling moniker, I thought the joke would be that, like the politicians who get called moderate, I most certainly am not. But in the last year I've been called a centrist shill too many times for comfort, and it pisses me off.

I also think that when IcedBlackCoffee caught that ban, I got a little louder and more histrionic to compensate. I need to calm down a bit.

Carry on.
Is he permabanned?
 
Jan 18, 2018
2,625
Narrator: "They don't"

Sadly, the maniac is right.

Deaths from hit-and-run crashes in the United States are now at an all-time high, according to a new study released Thursday by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.

2049 people were killed by hit-and-run crashes in 2016 -- a 62 percent increase from 2009, the last year in which a downward trend was recorded. AAA said the data makes 2016 the deadliest year since the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration began compiling statistics on fatal motor vehicle crashes in 1975.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/hit-run-deaths-time-high-aaa-study/story?id=54733792

And then factor in this

San Diego drivers who kill or injure someone with their car and just keep driving evade punishment almost nine out of 10 times.

And if they do happen to get convicted of their crime, it's a coin flip whether they'll serve more than two months in jail.

Those numbers come from a Voice of San Diego analysis of recent hit-and-run incidents and prosecutions. From 2009 through 2012, 4,100 drivers left victims dead or injured by the side of the road, according to information from the California Highway Patrol.

Over the same period, prosecutors convicted just 539 people of hit-and-run related crimes. That means 87 percent of drivers responsible for deaths and injuries were never punished.

https://www.npr.org/2013/01/03/168545915/hit-and-run-deaths-increase-but-culprits-hard-to-capture
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
18,729
In secret recording, GA gov. candidate Cagle says he backed bills for politics, not policy.

Cagle would be the much stronger opponent against Abrams in the general, but she might've caught a small break with this tape. If he loses the primary, she'll face Kemp, against whom she's posted better polling numbers. Even if Cagle wins, this tape might weaken him for the general, though not on a Todd Akin-esque level. Then again, GA has been consistently bluer than MO in the last few elections.
 
Jan 18, 2018
2,625
I got into a huge fight with my reporter friend about this. Note: I would prefer two Democrats in the GE for CA COV. But this isn't Meg v Jerry or Boxer v Carly. Why is the assumption that Cox, who maybe will get above 35% of the vote, be such a vote turnout machine for Republicans? It's not a real race. What apathetic Orange County Republican is going to make their decision based on that? And Democrats can utterly ignore the governor's race instead of trying to boost Gavin to target all of their resources on Orange County.

It only boosts turnout if it's a real race. Otherwise, this seems like something some GOP operative said once and the collective wisdom was to say "yes, good, that makes sense."

Thats why they spent millions to get the gas tax repeal on the ballot.

Red meat for F150 driving suburbanites.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,686


Trump is a lucky motherfucker that he inherited a good economy.

Because who did these same people blame for the recession Obama inherered?

Obama.


It just seems so fucked up to see "the white house" tweeting political bullshit. It feels like nothing is safe from trump's toxic corruption; even the fucking white house's good name and symbol for what it means for this country. I'm not even gonna click that shit, it can only go down hill.
 

Autodidact

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Oct 25, 2017
18,729
It just seems so fucked up to see "the white house" tweeting political bullshit. It feels like nothing is safe from trump's toxic corruption; even the fucking white house's good name and symbol for what it means for this country. I'm not even gonna click that shit, it can only go down hill.
The next Democratic trifecta must pass legislation that explicitly delineates and, in certain areas, constrains the president's power. Give the executive branch departments and agencies more autonomy. Wonder why Trump hasn't really been able to fuck with the Federal Reserve or the SEC? He can neither fire their members nor dictate their activities. Previous administrations and Congresses recognized that certain functions of government should be insulated from the caprice of the masses. (Imagine the economic pain if the Fed could be more easily tampered with.) We need to extend that independence to the departments typically thought to be within the president's purview. I've often wondered if we might install permanent secretaries, similar to the UK government, in each department - career civil servants who could survive multiple administrations and would have protections from being dismissed.

Congress needs to reclaim its balls and force the president to seek authorization for use of force. Yes, they might have to make unpopular decisions. Deal with it.

In an ideal world, the president would need to seek approval before imposing "national security" tariffs, though I think the SCOTUS might take exception to that particular circumscription.
 

Beer Monkey

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
9,308
Autodidact making really solid posts of late.

Also, Congress needs to take their tariff authority back. POTUS has zero right to make *any* tariffs but Congress gave it to POTUS, which is completely fucking insane.

"Now is not the time to undercut President Trump's ability to negotiate better trade deals. I will not support any efforts that weaken his position," Graham said in a statement.

Fuck you, asshole.
 

aspiegamer

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Oct 27, 2017
10,478
ZzzzzzZzzzZzz...
The threads about Steam over in gaming the past few days make me want to die. TLDR, Valve is going to do effectively no moderation whatsoever on content submitted, citing principles or some bullshit. This is their response to calls for more quality control recently. It's a gigantic collection of "muh free speech!" and a lack of understanding that hate speech and other content displaying the godawfulness of humanity being given an open platform has turned broad areas of the internet and millions of actual real people to total shit in recent years. Naturally, there's also no understanding that Valve is not required to offer this platform to these people. That's something we talk about a good deal here. Steam is taking the Reddit approach, apparently, and we all know how well that works!

Free market, bitches! Please don't mind the literal Nazis (and worse). We give Google, Facebook and Twitter crap for doing barely anything in regards to these topics, but they're light years beyond this filth of the internet in comparison.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,660
Does this mean that I can take on an air of moral superiority for being a console pleb now? Finally, my day has come.

But, yeah, giving a full and open embrace of idiotic gaming subculture bullshit will go badly for them. Wasn't this whole thing about anime porn games to start with?
 

Finny

Member
Oct 25, 2017
252
Since 1968, the first election to make use of the Southern Strategy, the Democrats have had unified control of government (DDD) for exactly eight years - four under Carter, two under Clinton, and two under Obama. (And Carter barely even counts because he had no idea how to work with his majorities!)

see if democrats had been more progressives they wouldnt have lost so much
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,686
The next Democratic trifecta must pass legislation that explicitly delineates and, in certain areas, constrains the president's power. Give the executive branch departments and agencies more autonomy. Wonder why Trump hasn't really been able to fuck with the Federal Reserve or the SEC? He can neither fire their members nor dictate their activities. Previous administrations and Congresses recognized that certain functions of government should be insulated from the caprice of the masses. (Imagine the economic pain if the Fed could be more easily tampered with.) We need to extend that independence to the departments typically thought to be within the president's purview. I've often wondered if we might install permanent secretaries, similar to the UK government, in each department - career civil servants who could survive multiple administrations and would have protections from being dismissed.

Congress needs to reclaim its balls and force the president to seek authorization for use of force. Yes, they might have to make unpopular decisions. Deal with it.

In an ideal world, the president would need to seek approval before imposing "national security" tariffs, though I think the SCOTUS might take exception to that particular circumscription.

Trump doesn't seem to understand what independent agency means anyway. One problem here is that for the AG it's basically indirect vote via voting for president and congress. Not sure how beneficial having a nation wide vote on an AG would be, then one that would be difficult to remove if he is shit. This goes for other heads unfortunately, to varying extents. I'm all for rex-examination of each department, but more so we just need as you said congress that isn't shit at doing things against the President's wishes.
 

shiba5

I shed
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
15,839
The threads about Steam over in gaming the past few days make me want to die. TLDR, Valve is going to do effectively no moderation whatsoever on content submitted, citing principles or some bullshit. This is their response to calls for more quality control recently. It's a gigantic collection of "muh free speech!" and a lack of understanding that hate speech and other content displaying the godawfulness of humanity being given an open platform has turned broad areas of the internet and millions of actual real people to total shit in recent years. Naturally, there's also no understanding that Valve is not required to offer this platform to these people. That's something we talk about a good deal here. Steam is taking the Reddit approach, apparently, and we all know how well that works!

Free market, bitches! Please don't mind the literal Nazis (and worse). We give Google, Facebook and Twitter crap for doing barely anything in regards to these topics, but they're light years beyond this filth of the internet in comparison.

Can't wait for all the incel inspired rape simulators to pop up on there.
The world is so shitty already. Why make it worse by giving trash a platform?
 

Dr. Benton Quest

Resettlement Advisor
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,367
Whaaa? For real?

What happened?

The threads about Steam over in gaming the past few days make me want to die. TLDR, Valve is going to do effectively no moderation whatsoever on content submitted, citing principles or some bullshit. This is their response to calls for more quality control recently. It's a gigantic collection of "muh free speech!" and a lack of understanding that hate speech and other content displaying the godawfulness of humanity being given an open platform has turned broad areas of the internet and millions of actual real people to total shit in recent years. Naturally, there's also no understanding that Valve is not required to offer this platform to these people. That's something we talk about a good deal here. Steam is taking the Reddit approach, apparently, and we all know how well that works!

Free market, bitches! Please don't mind the literal Nazis (and worse). We give Google, Facebook and Twitter crap for doing barely anything in regards to these topics, but they're light years beyond this filth of the internet in comparison.

Newell is a libertarian and I imagine he hires people of a similar mindset. It's not really surprising that they'd go this route. I'm still disappointed though...
 

Pixieking

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Oct 25, 2017
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Re: Steam. As I noted over on gaming side, it's weird how everyone's focussing on the worst - more alt-right games - when this means more liberal games will also be allowed through. Like, Ladykiller In A Bind took awhile to get on Steam because of it's lesbian BDSM content, but in the future it'd go straight on there. It's also weird how the crackdown on anime titties was due to a Valve employee who subjectively interpreted the content guidelines. Everyone just assumed liberal titles were allowed on no problems in the past, but maybe they weren't, also because of certain employees?
 

Y2Kev

Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,889
Is Congress even doing anything? I feel like we should let the Rethuglicans pass something to dramatically lower their popularity.
 

KtotheRoc

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1004932829795487746



Republicans spent all of last year lying their asses off about their desire to protect people with preexisting conditions.


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I know their plans would have made protections for Pre-Existing Conditions untenable. But now they aren't even hiding their attempts to fuck people over. (Beyond not wanting it to take effect until after the mid terms.)
 
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shadow_shogun

Fallen Guardian
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Oct 25, 2017
17,757
CNN's Anthony Bourdain dead at 61
New York (CNN)Anthony Bourdain, a gifted storyteller and writer who took CNN viewers around the world, has died. He was 61.

CNN confirmed Bourdain's death on Friday and said the cause of death was suicide.
"It is with extraordinary sadness we can confirm the death of our friend and colleague, Anthony Bourdain," the network said in a statement Friday morning. "His love of great adventure, new friends, fine food and drink and the remarkable stories of the world made him a unique storyteller. His talents never ceased to amaze us and we will miss him very much. Our thoughts and prayers are with his daughter and family at this incredibly difficult time."
 

Ac30

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Oct 30, 2017
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London


Jesus Christ.

Initially, the session had been titled "Eighteen Months of Trump Foreign Policy: Right Direction or Wrong Track?" Organizers decided they had to change the title because no one could make the case that relations were on the right track after last week's tariffs decision. Instead, Vajdich's team was asked to argue that perhaps things were "better than they seemed" under Trump's foreign policy.
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
18,536
All these trade tweets coming from someone who probably thinks that only the US should benefit from trade and all deals negotiated end up fucking all other parties involved.
 

Diablos

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Oct 25, 2017
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The damage he's going to do to this country will be irreversible. This is terrifying.

Look at how long it took to dig out of the recession, if one starts under Trump and even if a Democrat succeeds him, I seriously don't know how we could ever get through it.

Trump is not only burning bridges but killing a lot of precedent that would help bring those bridges back per se. Why should any country trust us on trade after this? "We will be respectable trade partners if a Democrat is in the White House." Good fucking luck.

He is straight up the loony cartoon character villain who is actively destroying his own nation.

So fucking evil. We have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
 
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shadow_shogun

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