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US PoliERA 2018 |OT11| The Hunt for Blue November

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ThisThingIsUseful

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I'm reading Republican responses on FB to Florida/Georgia, and you know how some here are bummed that people voted for the GOP? They're scared as well.

"The fact that is was close is the scary part what are people thinking"

"This should not have even been a contest. I am concerned for the future of our state and our country...."

"Way to close . soon we will be a socialist country ."
 
Kusagari

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I really think Gillum basically calling DeSantis a racist sunk his campaign and probably doomed Nelson too.

Just not the right play in FL.
 
ThisThingIsUseful

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Piston said:
It stings because I just moved to Miami from out-of-state in time to register and vote. I did a day of canvassing in Coral Gables and it was amazing how many Hispanic GOP supporters I ran into. I honestly was a little surprised Curbelo and Salazar both lost due to how many of their signs I saw up all over the place.
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I dislike the outcome as well having lived in Florida most of my life, but I greatly appreciate your volunteer work.
 
Ithil

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ThisThingIsUseful said:
I'm reading Republican responses on FB to Florida/Georgia, and you know how some here are bummed that people voted for the GOP? They're scared as well.

"The fact that is was close is the scary part what are people thinking"

"This should not have even been a contest. I am concerned for the future of our state and our country...."

"Way to close . soon we will be a socialist country ."
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You forget the number one rule of right wingers, they are never happy.
 
Digital Dinosaur

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I fully recognize all the good that happened last night. But it isn't doom and gloom to remain somber and serious about all the bad things confirmed. The fascists, racists, and nazis remain activated by Trump as a GOP end-game strategy for fucking as much of the country as possible to remain in power. And we've got 2 years of Trump doing as much damage as possible with executive powers and a senate that won't stop him to keep his depraved base whipped into a killing frenzy.
 
Piston

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Plinko said:
There is literally nothing to support this thought.

Regardless, whomever the democrats pick for president, it absolutely better be somebody who appeals to MI/WI/PA. Without them, Trump loses. I still say Biden, who is beloved in the Midwest, is probably the best choice for that, although I think Harris can still get the job done.
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It's interesting, but I think Beto would do really well in those states as well.
 
ThisThingIsUseful

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Ithil said:
You forget the number one rule of right wingers, they are never happy.
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Progressives haven't been very happy in a while, either, though so many of my friends on the right are just angry all the time even after wins (which makes me wonder how 2020 will go if Dems have a good cycle, and that's a big 'if'). It's interesting that I'm seeing some celebration by Dems and Reps (with Dems having significantly more to celebrate about), but also people upset by the same races ("I wish we had Gillum instead of DeSantis," "I can't believe DeSantis didn't crush Gillum our country is doomed.").

At least they recognize that we're here in full force and we're not going anywhere.
 
Y2Kev

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Kai Dracon said:
I fully recognize all the good that happened last night. But it isn't doom and gloom to remain somber and serious about all the bad things confirmed. The fascists, racists, and nazis remain activated by Trump as a GOP end-game strategy for fucking as much of the country as possible to remain in power. And we've got 2 years of Trump doing as much damage as possible with executive powers and a senate that won't stop him to keep his depraved base whipped into a killing frenzy.
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Yeah but maybe they will go away when Jeb! Runs in 2024.
 
Ithil

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ThisThingIsUseful said:
Progressives haven't been very happy in a while, either, though so many of my friends on the right are just angry all the time. It's interesting that I'm seeing some celebration by Dems and Reps (with Dems having significantly more to celebrate about), but also people upset by the same races ("I wish we had Gillum instead of DeSantis," "I can't believe DeSantis didn't crush Gillum our country is doomed.").

At least they recognize that we're here in full force and we're not going anywhere.
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Progressives aren't happy because the country is regressing. Conservatives aren't happy because they are incapable of being happy. They live to be unhappy and angry. Even when they win, they find a way to be miserable.
 
Slim Action

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Don't look now, but Kemp's down to 50.4% in GA-GOV as absentee ballots trickle in. Not clear how many are left...
 
Joe Shlabotnik

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Autodidact said:
Yeah, they pissed away those majorities by saving the economy from a depression and extending healthcare to millions of people. Just played Congressional Candyland for four years. It couldn't be they lost their majorities because racist white America went apoplectic at a black president. Uh uh.

Anyway, Republicans have their leadership elections on the 15th. Watching them pick a minority leader will be high comedy.
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It's important to note to all these armchair party strategists that the leading issue for midterm voters was to protect the thing they voted Democrats OUT for creating in 2010.

People are easily frightened and misled into voting against their own interests.
 
Blader

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Florida stings because of how inspiring a candidate Gillum was and how equally awful DeSantis was. It's not just a generic D losing to generic R, but one of our seemingly best riding stars losing to such a blatant racist. The fact that those results came in before a lot of the wins in the Midwest also put a damper on things.
 

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Medical weed and medicaid expansion both won/winning in Utah. Also looks like McAdams unseated Love.
 
AnotherNils

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Doing some more reading, looks all those Michigan referendums passed? Excellent.

Looks like North Carolina nixed two of the big power grabs by the legislature, though the fucks did pass Voter ID.

Nebraska, Idaho, and Utah all expanded medicaid, also excellent.

Colorado approved independent redistricting.
Florida gave felons their right to vote back.
Maine reaffirmed ranked choice voting.
Maryland moving towards same-day voter registration.
Missouri legalized med marijuana and raise the minimum wage.

Looks like some drug related criminal justice reform failed in Ohio.
...and there were some fucked up abortion related nonsense passed in Alabama and West Virginia.
 
Y2Kev

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Frankish said:
Florida polling is nothing but trash.
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I thought so but it looks like it may be within moe. Nelson + 2.5 isn't that different than Scott + .8 or whatever. I think Florida is just going to be close forever.

Not sure about the gillum polling though. In my memory it seems like he was always up by a lot more.
 
Apple

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I guess I'm glad we flipped the house, but as a Floridian... jesus, it kind of feels like 2016 all over again.

Our candidates leading in the polls for months against monsters just like Trump, the feeling of excitement and confidence going into election night, only to have it all slowly fall apart as the night goes on.

How the fuck did Gillum/Nelson lose?

For years I've been telling myself that 2016 was a fluke, that Dems were so confident going into that election that many didn't even bother turning out, that this isn't who we are as a country, and we were going to make it right, goddammit.

But instead, even with an incredible candidate like Gillum, we choose to reelect Trump. What possible hope can I have for 2020, or beyond?
 
Barzul

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Millennials, are really going to have to try and save this country. I legit believe voters are more enthusiastic. If there's some national emergency between now and 2020, Trump is toast.
 

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We're always winning Florida and then panhandle decides to come in late and ruin everything.
 
Kusagari

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The fact Abrams might end up losing by the same percentage as Gillum is just baffling considering where the states are thought to be politically.

Florida just seems to be slipping further and further away and counties like Orange and Hillsborough becoming more blue is only making the state look like it's still an actual toss up.
 
AnotherNils

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Blader said:
Florida stings because of how inspiring a candidate Gillum was and how equally awful DeSantis was. It's not just a generic D losing to generic R, but one of our seemingly best riding stars losing to such a blatant racist. The fact that those results came in before a lot of the wins in the Midwest also put a damper on things.
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I can't help but conclude Florida is much redder than I thought it was, at least in the age of Trump. Which is weird because prior to 2016 I thought Ohio was the one that leaned more red.

Frankish said:
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This. I'm basically in a position where I can no longer trust Florida polling. What is the problem there? A subsection of red voters just don't answer phones?

I'll be curious to see how hispanic turn-out was. Are we in a place where we can only run hispanics to hope to turn them out?

On the flip-side, Beto did better than I imagined. I hope he had good down-ballot effects.
 
NihonTiger

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AnotherNils said:
Looks like some drug related criminal justice reform failed in Ohio.
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Yeah, Issue 1 probably failed because it was criminal law reform being put in the constitution as an amendment. A lot of people voted against it for that reason, same as our marijuana legalization issue previously on that it probably should be the legislature doing the work but the GOP supermajorities in both chambers held.
 
ratcliffja

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Looks like Katie Hill beat Steve Knight for CA-25. That's awesome and pretty surprising considering how rural a lot of that district is. I live in Santa Clarita so it's a really good sign to see him gone.
 
Poodlestrike

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Thorrgal said:
Calling people dumb says a lot about who you are. And Yurope? Lol

I hope one day you realize how wrong you are, but by the tone of the post I think you already know but are too angry and frustrated too acknowledge it.

Don't bother with a reply, I don't like rudeness
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And I don't like condescension from people too wrapped up in themselves to take a barb and stay in the conversation, but I suppose we'll both have to learn to live with disappointment.
 
AnotherNils

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Self-reminder:


My home state of PA snapped back hard. Trump isn't winning here again. As for the other two, I have to think that's ominous for Trump as well. So from that perspective, also very heartening for 2020.
 
LinktothePastGOAT

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But they don't want to work on the problem! If you elect corporate democrats with PAC money, do you think they will take money out of politics? That's crazy thinking!




What votes?
What kind of democrats controlling all branches, and for what?

What issues are they/will they be focusing on??

Here I'm gonna enumarate a series of issues that are already solved in the rest of the industrialized world, speaking from an european perspective:

- free healthcare for all
- non-existent gun violence
- college education is practically free (specially compared to the US),
- the military industrial complex is hardly an issue
- we don't have an opioid epidemic
- the obesity problem is very minor
- we don't have millions and millions of homeless people dying on the streets
- we don't have a privatized (and overloaded) prison system+weed is not scheduled 1 drug
- etc, etc

How the hell you haven't fixed any of those issues whe you had control of the House and the Senate? And you guys think next time is the charm? You think corporate dems will ever change it?

You need to focus on the issues not on the Party Vs Party minigame they have you so invested in
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Dems has the super majority for not even a whole year and they focused on healthcare. A public option wasn't ever going to pass the Senate. This notion that Dems had had a supermajority for a long time is preposterous. This is the nature of our govt. swing one way and then another. It's why we take forever to make any significant changes that isn't done in the courts. It's not a Dem party issue, it's a form of govt that is designed to make slow changes. It's not perfect or often times ideal but you can't compare our system to many European nations.
 
Joe Shlabotnik

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There's no reason to get granular about what caused a narrow loss like Gillum's and Nelson's. It was within the MoE and you can't read the minds of <1% of voters. They could have won by the same margin with the same campaign. You can look at broader things that made it close like Scott's performance with Hispanic voters, which would still hold in either a win or a loss.
 
Y2Kev

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I don't think there's one particular thing that hurt gillum. Picking one probably assigns too much weight to one event. I think Florida's swamp nazis were just activated by trump. Question is if they stay activated post trump.
 
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