You respect someone's duty to protect their children or you don't. It's that simple.
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You respect someone's duty to protect their children or you don't. It's that simple.
The virus isn't very dangerous anymore, but it is your house, so I'd tell them to kick rocks if it bothers you. Frankly, I'd be more worried about the other aspects of their lives that have a chance at "infecting" your children...
1 it still is for unvaccinated people
2 60k people died in january of 2022, in the US. Id say thats pretty dangerous.
Anecdotal, but I got COVID from my sister (twice vaccinated at the time, just before she was scheduled to get boosted) who got it from someone Boosted. Said person went out for lunch with their family, and caused a bunch of people to get it. My friend got it from his youngest (though it somehow bypassed his older kids?).
Breakthrough cases are not this rare beast that so many make it out to be. Drama over it seems silly to me, but that's just me.
Nothing wrong with doing both. The unvaccinated by choice should be excluded from everything possible.but this reads more like you wanting to punish them for their dumb decision rather than a genuine safety concern.
I am not disagreeing with you about January numbers and overall severity, but fatality numbers have plummeted currently. Average daily deaths are at around 400 per day nationwide. If your kids and other guests don't have crazy co-morbidities or are immunocompromised, it is not at all likely someone is going to die or even be hospitalized at this point. January was still in the grips of a massive wave, and that wave is just not happening right now in America.
But, as I said: it's your house, your rules. I would still be more worried at this point at them passing on crazy conspiracy theories, or other insanity.
well for starters the birthday already happened.Start a video stream of your child's birthday and invite your parents to participate online. Why not?
They sound like a nightmare, but this reads more like you wanting to punish them for their dumb decision rather than a genuine safety concern. They shouldn't really pose much danger to vaxxed people, especially if you have them take a test before attending.
It's a solution for the next your celebrations) I don't think that your parents will want to get vaccinated...well for starters the birthday already happened.
It was also a gymnastics place with no open internet.
The ability to pretend anti-vaxxers ONLY have poor opinions about that ONE subject is one hell of a leisure huh?Honestly, sometimes it baffles me that families are being split because they have a different opinion about COVID.
My sister in law and her husband are incredible anti-vaxxers and they have the craziest conspiracy theories. However, outside of that they are still great, fun and good people. We never saw them at COVID peaks but when it's cooled down like right now we see them again.
And yes, they have some incredible idiotic ideas but I just ignore them when they talk about it for the 1% of our conversations and the other 99% of our conversations we have a great time. I really don't see why you shouldn't see certain family and friends anymore because they have a different opinion.
Life right now is much more normal when we are comparing it with the last 2 years? Aren't you going out again in public? Aren't you doing fun stuff with your children again outside of your home? If so, if your parents are good people outside of their stupid anti-vaxx ideas, why wouldn't you let them see their grandchildren?
Most people on ERA probably don't agree. But I rather forgive people their stupid ideas instead of excluding them from my life.
i told my wife two negative tests and she was against it.
I mean, they could just get the jab, OP shouldn't bend over backwards to accommodate insanity.
I don't think this is fair inasmuch as it seems clear the OP's parents don't want a relationship in the first place.This topic seems incredibly polarized when there's no need. The real question to the OP is: do you think it is important for your parents to have a relationship with your children? If you do, there are many ways to have such an interaction safely remotely or in person, even without your parents being vaccinated.
And it's ok if you are the one coming up with the suggestions. "They never asked" doesn't mean a whole lot, and it's a phase that often undercuts the the amount of control we have over our lives.
I am not disagreeing with you about January numbers and overall severity, but fatality numbers have plummeted currently. Average daily deaths are at around 400 per day nationwide. If your kids and other guests don't have crazy co-morbidities or are immunocompromised, it is not at all likely someone is going to die or even be hospitalized at this point. January was still in the grips of a massive wave, and that wave is just not happening right now in America.
But, as I said: it's your house, your rules. I would still be more worried at this point at them passing on crazy conspiracy theories, or other insanity.
But normal gatherings with vaccinated people can still have required tests. I did that the past few get togethers when infection rates were high as shit.I mean, they could just get the jab, OP shouldn't bend over backwards to accommodate insanity.
I don't understand. If they're negative, how are they harming your kids? Like I said above, I've hosted and attended events where you had to test negative, vaccine or no.
People in this thread advocating for caving to anti-vaxxers because "family first" are strange to me.
If the grandparents don't respect OP's wishes or his family enough to get vaccinated, it goes beyond a public safety issue, and more about them just being assholes.
They can kick rocks.
Love the posters throwing shade at op for doing the best to keep their family safe. Good look.
Good on you sticking to their guns op. If they care as much as they act like they do they would have gotten their vaccines. They can pound sand. I have a similar hard line with some family members. Not budging.
"Why won't you let us continue to be selfish and only think of ourselves!"OP and posts like these make me feel better. This happened to my wife and I JUST YESTERDAY. Her family wanted an Easter Lunch. Mother-in-law called the wife and asked her to come, and made a point to say that her brother (not vaccinated) will be there. She declined. Mother-in-law starts giving her shit that "everyone else is vaccinated so it's fine."
No....... no it's not "fine."
I made it a point to my family that I wouldn't go on vacations with them if my brother was going due to their anti-vax status. And my wife made it a point to her family about not being around her brother due to his. This was made clear 2 years ago. To the posters saying that we're "punishing" these family members at this point.......sure, fine. I'll concede that at this point, I most likely am. But why shouldn't I? They didn't do their part during the height of all this bullshit.....but they still want to reap the rewards of a familial relationship when we're the only ones putting in the effort? (This argument sounds awfully familiar) No, fuck that.
"Our family won't ever be together in the same place again" her father tried guilting my wife just a week ago. Like it's OUR fault. No. This "problem" can be easily rectified by one simple action and the onus is not on us.
To the posters saying that we're "punishing" these family members at this point.......sure, fine. I'll concede that at this point, I most likely am. But why shouldn't I? They didn't do their part during the height of all this bullshit.....but they still want to reap the rewards of a familial relationship when we're the only ones putting in the effort? (This argument sounds awfully familiar) No, fuck that.
But normal gatherings with vaccinated people can still have required tests. I did that the past few get togethers when infection rates were high as shit.
I don't understand. If they're negative, how are they harming your kids? Like I said above, I've hosted and attended events where you had to test negative, vaccine or no.
Well, good luck!
let me guess, both parties just move on like nothing is wrong and yall pretend to be happy around each other?That's fine. If you feel you need to punish them, punish them. Only you know your family and your situation well enough to make that determination. I've been in countless similar situations and eventually learnt that all these pyrrhic victories were not really worth it and resulted in me punishing myself at least as much as the person who wronged me. I'm glad I realised this before it was too late, but everyone's situations are different.
I think this is important too. It isn't just this issue. This is them not respecting ops boundaries. And it's important that that's a them problem. Not an op problem.It's your family and what they're doing is completely unreasonable on a number of levels. Stand your ground or they'll just keep not respecting boundaries.
I guess I don't know what it's like to have crazy grandparents. Because if it were me, married with a 7 year old daughter, I want her grands and my grands to be in her life as much as possible. A lot of my grandparents have already passed away, and my grandmother, who turned 80 recently, is vaccinated and boosted.Because you don't know they're negative. Rapid tests/home tests are much less accurate with Omicron and even before that, there was generally a several day period near the beginning where you could still test negative and be contagious. You could take 100 tests and it wouldn't necessarily mean you actually didn't have COVID. It's why we keep seeing these events where everyone has to test still turn into spreading events, like the recent Gridiron Club dinner in Washington.
Testing is certainly better than nothing. It will catch a lot of people who are positive. It doesn't mean you don't have it in any definitive way. It's only lowering the odds, not ruling them out. And not in one of those 99/1% lowering the odds sort of ways, but more in a 60/40% sort of way.
Combine testing and vaccination and you start getting to a pretty good place. Just testing, definitely better than nothing but still not that great.
I guess I don't know what it's like to have crazy grandparents. Because if it were me, married with a 7 year old daughter, I want her grands and my grands to be in her life as much as possible. A lot of my grandparents have already passed away, and my grandmother, who turned 80 recently, is vaccinated and boosted.
But if she wasn't, I'd just test her and move on. We have precious little time on this Earth and I'd like to make the most of it by not "punishing" my old ass grandparents. But everyone's family is different and only they can navigate that situation.
I wish captive the best and hope his grands fucking get over it and get the vaccine.
Call it what you want. To me, to say no after two negative tests feels like a punishment for not getting the vaccine.Not wanting to punish someone does little to avoid the spread of a deadly disease, or keep your family safe.
I also think the framing you're using is really disingenuous. OP isn't punishing them, they're punishing themselves. The OP has set a boundary, a completely reasonable and easy to meet one. They could meet that boundary any time they choose, quickly and easily. That they won't do so is no one but their own fault.
how do you know they'd be willing to get two negative tests?Call it what you want. To me, to say no after two negative tests feels like a punishment for not getting the vaccine.
I don't know if they'd be willing. It wasn't offered to them, right? I doubt they'd do it after that context (wow) but it's fully putting the ball in their court.how do you know they'd be willing to get two negative tests?
just for some context, they used to have season tickets to the Astros, last year after they said fans will be allowed back in, but with masks on. My mom said "well im just gonna sit with a diet coke the whole time so i dont have to wear my mask"
yes.
At least there's that.
That sounds annoying. Another issue on top of this. Having no activities is one thing, but the golf course is worrying. I'd almost be more concerned about this… gotta make the kids wear helmets out there.but they have little interaction with my kids. Like they want them to come over and be in their house, but their house is filled with antiques and so the kids have to be careful around everything. They dont have activities planned to do anything.
In fact its rather annoying, cause they now live on a golf course so you can step outside the back and within 70 or so feet you're literally on a fairway.