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UK PoliticsERA |OT1| - Strong and Stable Government? No. Coalition Of Chaos! PART 2

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Ravensmash

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Dirtyshubb said:
James O'Brien is getting more and more outspoken on his disgust with LBC and them using their platform to host scum like Farage and Mogg but they seem to not care and continue to plow ahead with their usual programming.
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Owh, I haven't been able to listen to a lot of James recently. What's he been saying?

Him and Sheila strike me as good folks.

Will admit that I've tuned into Farage's show out of curiosity here and there (also ties in with my commute somewhat) but I had to stop listening because of how smug and fake he sounds.

Plus he just peddles bullshit.
 
theaface

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It's not often (or indeed ever) that I agree with Boris but maybe just once... I don't see this third runway at Heathrow ever getting built.
 
Mr. Sam

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Boris Johnson please. He may well be right, but it doesn't stop his literally leaving the country so he didn't have to vote being an act of absolute cowardice.
 
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Ravensmash said:
You know....

Since my trains have been massively fucked up, I really resent seeing Chris Grayling everywhere.

Why does this man still have a cabinet position?
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This entire country needs to replace it's rail infrastructure to that used in the continent. The likes of Germany, who get much colder, and much hotter weather than us must be laughing at us on a bi-yearly basis.
 
Maledict

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Dan said:
This entire country needs to replace it's rail infrastructure to that used in the continent. The likes of Germany, who get much colder, and much hotter weather than us must be laughing at us on a bi-yearly basis.
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The issue is the track sizes and gauge. Because our railway system was the first, it runs at a different track gauge than everywhere else. We literally need to replace every piece of track with a different sized bit - which trains can't cross over on. It's an insanely large and massive infrastructure program that would stop huge parts of the train network from running for literally months at a time.
 
Maledict

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It'll get built. But it'll be a colossal clusterfuck, especially on the uber-fucked M25.

Should have expanded Gatwick....
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Gatwick never made sense. It's not the same as Heathrow, and we can't shift stuff from Heathrow to Gatwick. Market forces and all - Heathrow's capacity issue isn't making Gatwick bigger.
 
Maledict

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Lagamorph said:
Or do something really crazy like invest in an airport in the North instead like Newcastle or something.
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Newcastle airport isn't at capacity as it is. Most northern airports aren't. There's no inbound tourist flights, and no international business demand for those places. Building a huge airport there won't stimulate demand, that's not how it works. Vast, abandoned airport projects all over the world stand testament to the failure of that concept.
 
TehOh

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So, it's looking like I might be offered a really cool job in London, and I've always been curious about living in Europe (despite what the leave voters believe). I'm worried about the effects of Brexit though. How crazy would I be to take the job?

[edit - I'm an American, btw]
 
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Lagamorph said:
Or do something really crazy like invest in an airport in the North instead like Newcastle or something.
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If the GDP boost as a result of that investment is there, then it justifies it. However it's hard to dispute the passenger numbers for the main four London airports (Stansted/Gatwick/Luton/Heathrow). The fact that the smallest of the lot there, Luton has four times the passenger numbers as Newcastle, and that Stansted has more than the combined numbers of both Edinburgh and Glasgow shows that it's the location that drives the investment in the airport, and not the other way round.

I'm going to look hard for solid figures based upon the actual movement vs total capacity of each airport - I know for a fact that Stansted is only just now reaching full capacity after a significant dip during the recession - expansion of course can only be justified if the airport itself is at maximum of passengers..

Edit: Dammit Maledict :) you beat me to it..
 
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TehOh said:
So, it's looking like I might be offered a really cool job in London, and I've always been curious about living in Europe (despite what the leave voters believe). I'm worried about the effects of Brexit though. How crazy would I be to take the job?

[edit - I'm an American, btw]
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So my first question to you would be to ask about what industry you would be working in. If it's something that does not rely on significant dealings with countries in the EU then the impact may be negated.
 
Tiber

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Recently looked at a couple of US threads, seems anyone who dared to admit that they don't vote democrat would be burned at the stake. Is this section as much of a one party state?
 
TehOh

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Dan said:
So my first question to you would be to ask about what industry you would be working in. If it's something that does not rely on significant dealings with countries in the EU then the impact may be negated.
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Tech. It's a specialist software engineering R&D position. Since it's not a done deal, I'll leave the name out, but it's a worldwide company. The position is just at the London office.
 
Mr. Sam

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Tiber said:
Recently looked at a couple of US threads, seems anyone who dared to admit that they don't vote democrat would be burned at the stake. Is this section as much of a one party state?
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No, we've a number of Tories and even a Lib Dem, though I dare say they're also repulsed by the Republican Party by and large. ​
 

Oilvomer

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TehOh said:
So, it's looking like I might be offered a really cool job in London, and I've always been curious about living in Europe (despite what the leave voters believe). I'm worried about the effects of Brexit though. How crazy would I be to take the job?

[edit - I'm an American, btw]
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Firstly it is London, my wife went on a training course at a school there and it had 47 different languages, so metropolitan as you can get, London is...

If you are not leaving a really secure job, then go for it, you can not base your life on what ifs, you can only make decision on what is factual at that time

So if you want it go for it, though do not walk down road with phone out, as you will be a target
 
Masquerader

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Tiber said:
Recently looked at a couple of US threads, seems anyone who dared to admit that they don't vote democrat would be burned at the stake. Is this section as much of a one party state?
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No, I don't think that even people who loathe the Tories for literally killing off relatives of theirs via their policies (such as myself) think that they've sunk to the depths of the US Republican Party. Although, they are certainly heading in the right direction for it.

To be honest, if people can actually put forward a relevant and realistic argument in favour of the Tories without mentioning anyone else, I'm all for it. Shame it's very, VERY difficult to do that nowadays.
 
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Dan

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TehOh said:
Tech. It's a specialist software engineering R&D position. Since it's not a done deal, I'll leave the name out, but it's a worldwide company. The position is just at the London office.
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Don't worry - no need to name any companies - just needed to get an idea of the actual industry.

The issue of Brexit is one thing most certainly to bring up with them - I would ask how it impacts them directly, what contingencies they have made and how they might see themselves adapt to the challenges Brexit brings. The fact it's a worldwide company with I suspect many offices in Europe negates the impact of the issue as well - in fact it might be advantageous to your career if Brexit does have an impact then it may be an option to transfer to an office in mainland Europe.
 

DryCreek

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The north doesn't need more airports, what it does need is better transport links amongst themselves, the north and midlands need an overhauled rail network to connect them all together to make it way easier to get around. This will help them compete with London.
 
TehOh

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Dan said:
Don't worry - no need to name any companies - just needed to get an idea of the actual industry.

The issue of Brexit is one thing most certainly to bring up with them - I would ask how it impacts them directly, what contingencies they have made and how they might see themselves adapt to the challenges Brexit brings. The fact it's a worldwide company with I suspect many offices in Europe negates the impact of the issue as well - in fact it might be advantageous to your career if Brexit does have an impact then it may be an option to transfer to an office in mainland Europe.
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Thanks! That's a valid point. if things go bad, I imagine I could get transferred.
 
Crispy75

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Maledict said:
The issue is the track sizes and gauge. Because our railway system was the first, it runs at a different track gauge than everywhere else. We literally need to replace every piece of track with a different sized bit - which trains can't cross over on. It's an insanely large and massive infrastructure program that would stop huge parts of the train network from running for literally months at a time.
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Almost. The tracks are standard guage, as used in (most of) Europe, USA, China etc.
It's the *loading* guage which is smaller. This is the space available for a train under bridges, between platforms, in tunnels etc.

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Green is UK standard, although most freight routes are cleared for the black rectangle.

Changing the track guage would actually be easier than changing the loading guage because the latter would mean moving or rebuilding every bridge, tunnel and platform on the route.

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MrLuchador

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So even with all the apparent evidence mounting up that the brexit campaign was a total farce and corrupt, it's still not going to be overturned is it?
 
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Will be interesting to see if it actually happens, personally I don't think it will as no one is that mental to own a hard brexit*

*Though this is the Tory party so is entirely possible

Edit Andrea Jenkyns is borderline certifiable so can see her going for it
 
Lagamorph

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Will be interesting to see if it actually happens, personally I don't think it will as no one is that mental to own a hard brexit*

*Though this is the Tory party so is entirely possible

Edit Andrea Jenkyns is borderline certifiable so can see her going for it
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Do you have a different/better source?

I don't think I trust someone who's twitter profile says "I reject the Europeanisation of Britain "
 
Lagamorph

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I dunno, Peston it's running on skynews

Era is literally the worlds biggest echo chamber
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Those seem to be saying different things.

Peston is saying that letters are going in, but not necessarily enough.

The other tweet you posted seems to be saying that enough letters have already been received to trigger a vote.
 
WhateverItTakes

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Oilvomer said:
The general view coming out of Westminister is there is a meeting tomorrow where May will try to quell backbenchers, if she does not, letters go in....

The threat is serious as number 10 is making noise that they feel they would win a leadership challenge


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I doubt it, if Gove's giving Theresa the soundbites she wants to hear on the politics shows this morning! They've gotta just be testing the waters, or baiting a contest to solidify their position (ironic after last year, lol).
 
PJV3

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I just don't get the strategy of the loons, it's more likely than not that the EU reject our position anyway, then you have Westminster not favouring a no deal on top of that.

It's a huge waste of time unless they can win and force an election, and then the country is going to be fucked from months of paralysis.
Cameron didn't prepare anything for a leave vote, and this government has done almost nothing to prepare for no deal, it's suicidal
 
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I just don't get the strategy of the loons, it's more likely than not that the EU reject our position anyway, then you have Westminster not favouring a no deal on top of that.

It's a huge waste of time unless they can win and force an election, and then the country is going to be fucked from months of paralysis.
Cameron didn't prepare anything for a leave vote, and this government has done almost nothing to prepare for no deal, it's suicidal
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Of course, there's no issue preparing nothing before, as the clock only starts once Article 50 is invoked. We could give ourselves ample time to prepare, maybe even ask the people what kind of Brexit they want, do full sectoral analyses, ask businesses etc., and then invoke Article 50.

Ah wait, wrong tense. We could have...
 
jelly

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Yeah, wtf was his reasoning for that. Wish he would get the boot. That stance was utterly stupid and without any common sense. He was likely drooling at the Brexit result I suppose and couldn't wait to implement his unicorn dream.
 
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jelly said:
Yeah, wtf was his reasoning for that. Wish he would get the boot. That stance was utterly stupid and without any common sense. He was likely drooling at the Brexit result I suppose and couldn't wait to implement his unicorn dream.
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I think he's claiming that now meant the next step not immediately, personally I think like everyone else he believed the government had actually been working on this stuff behind the scenes. I remember Liam Fox believing in files and plans existing for a few days after the result.
 
Mr. Sam

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BREAKING: David Davis is an utter cretin.

Wait, never mind, this news is in fact a decade old.
 
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