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Yesterzine

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Jan 5, 2022
8,167
It's worth pointing out he'll be stepping down at this election so he'll never be an elected Labour MP.

A highly paid consultant in order to ensure the continued smooth abolishing of the NHS, absolutely.
 

Gareth

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Oct 25, 2017
5,581
Norn Iron
www.thetimes.co.uk

Humza Yousaf set to resign as survival hopes fade

SNP figures are told of first minister’s intentions
Humza Yousaf is preparing to quit as Scotland's first minister after coming to the conclusion that his position is no longer tenable.

Senior SNP figures have been told the nationalist leader decided over the weekend that there is no way for him to survive this week's vote of no confidence and he may stand down on Monday.

It comes as Yousaf struggles to put together a coalition of MSPs that would keep him in office after he sacked the Scottish Greens from government.

A close friend said: "Humza knows what's best for the country and the party. He is first party activist and a party man, and that's why he knows it's time for someone else."
 

Soap

Member
Oct 27, 2017
15,430
Nothing personal against the man but this has been such a huge political miscalculation that I really don't think he is fit to lead the SNP. Trouble is, I don't really know who is fit to lead the SNP now given who he was up against in the leadership contest…
 

Koukalaka

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Oct 28, 2017
9,420
Scotland
Nothing personal against the man but this has been such a huge political miscalculation that I really don't think he is fit to lead the SNP. Trouble is, I don't really know who is fit to lead the SNP now given who he was up against in the leadership contest…

Yeah, I can't see a path forward here - it'd be hilarious if we wind up with a Holyrood election before a Westminster one.
 
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Pheonix Will

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Sep 6, 2021
1,311
Nothing personal against the man but this has been such a huge political miscalculation that I really don't think he is fit to lead the SNP. Trouble is, I don't really know who is fit to lead the SNP now given who he was up against in the leadership contest…

I'm almost certainly Forbes will wind up leading them now.

I suspect again the older guard will keep away until the financial fraud situation resolves.
 

Mr. Virus

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Oct 27, 2017
1,675
I'm almost certainly Forbes will wind up leading them now.

I suspect again the older guard will keep away until the financial fraud situation resolves.

The Ancient Guard like Fergus fucking Ewing are probably gonna appear even more to back her. If Forbes is elected leader the party is fucked for a while.

Humza got a rough start with the whole financial scandal but fucked it on his own any way.
 
Jan 20, 2023
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www.bbc.co.uk

PIP: Disabled people face end to monthly benefits cash

Disability payments that help with extra living costs could be scrapped in favour of more tailored support as the government looks at overhauling the benefits system Proposals include disabilities.

pretty unsurprising that the beeb has gone with this example case to illustrate this news story, very conveniently tying perfectly into the tories framing of sicknote culture, get back to work instead of whining about "everyday troubles like being a bit sad or whatever" etc.

could be a story about somebody who uses PIP for idk, yeah special dietary needs because of a chronic disability. or hygiene products because they're a paraplegic or something

but no, the bbc goes with a front page guy who gets panic attacks and is using the money for therapy

there is obviously nothing wrong with that, but to your average punter, a story about a guy who is not working, who is using taxpayers money for therapy because of panic attacks, is so incredibly less sympathetic i think than a story about a person in a wheelchair who uses the money for daily living essentials.

and that is 100% on purpose, because it ties in perfectly with what the tories have been pushing for like two weeks now, that anybody on any form of disability payment is just a scrounging whiner who could be working but is lazing about at home feeling sorry for themselves instead
 

IpKaiFung

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,422
Wales
Yep, pretty much.

A large issue with the UK is that the press as a whole is always very eager to push narratives like this. The press in the UK doesn't hold power to account, it holds the general public accountable for all the issues instead.
 
Jun 24, 2019
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www.theguardian.com

There’s a hard-right tidal wave about to hit Europe – and it will only make the economic crisis worse | Gordon Brown

Near-zero growth has crushed living standards across the EU, sending voters towards populist demagogues. But they have no solutions to offer, says former UK PM Gordon Brown

There's a hard-right tidal wave about to hit Europe – and it will only make the economic crisis worse

Near-zero growth has crushed living standards, sending voters to populist demagogues. But they have no solutions to offer

A low-growth economy creates a doom loop as pessimism begets a blame culture – and the more we blame others, the more pessimistic we become. Once people convince themselves that the state of their economy is so weak that they can only improve their lot at someone else's expense, they vote for parties that specialise in targeting those they think are holding them back – immigrants, foreigners and minorities. These parties offer nothing in terms of economic policies to generate long-term growth. The result is that zero-sum politics exacerbates the downward economic trends, and this, in turn, intensifies and widens the appeal of zero-sum thinking.

The problem Europe now faces is that the very measures it must adopt to escape this doom loop – new investment in technology, clean energy and medical advances – are being rendered impossible by its policy of fiscal retrenchment.
...So, at the very time that investment needs to increase, it is likely to fall. And the European election results are unlikely to make things any better. Essential green investment will fall down the agenda as anti-environmentalist parties gain an upper hand. Protectionism will become the order of the day with trade wars, which hit Europe harder than anywhere else. Unless something gives, a low-growth Europe will remain stuck in its rut – and the populist xenophobes will triumph.
The nationalist timebomb is ticking. Across the continent, Europeans need a plan for better jobs through economic and environmental transformation. When the Polish trade union Solidarity was first formed, its anti-Soviet slogan was "No solidarity without freedom". But soon many realised that free-for-all neoliberal economics would mean rising inequality and low living standards for the mass of people, and so a new slogan soon rang out: "There is no solidarity in freedom."

Poverty begets Misery -> Misery begets Hate -> Hate begets Fascism.

The increase in supporting far-right leaders is that voters like to feel assured by what grifters say, rather than critically think about the issues. Never mind that those same-leaders won't uphold promises or improve living standards, they just want gammon joe tell them it's the " outsider's " fault.
 

IpKaiFung

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Oct 27, 2017
3,422
Wales
I get a bit pissed off with the framing that the general public are doing bad because the economy isn't growing enough.

Sales of luxury items have increased year on year since the 2008 crash, which is a sign that a certain portion of society has been making bank since then.

What has really been going on is that whatever wealth that was held by working class people in 2008 has been sucked up by the wealthy.

You can attempt to grow the economy all you want but without addressing the severe inequality at the same time, people will find answers from the far right.

The rising tide, rises all boats analogy is extremely detached from reality, without redistribution, the gains from a growing economy only accumulates with the already wealthy.
 
Jun 24, 2019
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I get a bit pissed off with the framing that the general public are doing bad because the economy isn't growing enough.

Sales of luxury items have increased year on year since the 2008 crash, which is a sign that a certain portion of society has been making bank since then.

What has really been going on is that whatever wealth that was held by working class people in 2008 has been sucked up by the wealthy.

You can attempt to grow the economy all you want but without addressing the severe inequality at the same time, people will find answers from the far right.

The rising tide, rises all boats analogy is extremely detached from reality, without redistribution, the gains from a growing economy only accumulates with the already wealthy.

That's what Brown was also arguing, all of it is interconnected. A low growth economy -> Inequality -> filthy rich hoard the wealth and the poor gets poorer -> electorate gets angry -> get stupidly irrational and vote for incompetent leaders.

Why has Reform numbers gone up in spite of them/UKIP being a relatively new party? Greens and Lib Dems been in the political game ages and they're not making gains. Slogans, scapegoating, rhetoric are popular. Hate is a very powerful tool.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
15,793
I doubt the full video would be much better but that's a pretty laughable edit. Cuts Starmer mid-sentence almost every time.
Yeah, it's a really annoyingly badly edited video.
The original isn't really better (Starmer never answers the questions he just keeps repeating his script "Well my priority is the economy blah blah blah") but regardless, it's badly made.
 

Brotherhood93

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Oct 28, 2017
2,832
Yeah, it's a really annoyingly badly edited video.
The original isn't really better (Starmer never answers the questions he just keeps repeating his script "Well my priority is the economy blah blah blah") but regardless, it's badly made.
Yeah, I wouldn't expect it to be any better which makes all the cuts really weird. Perhaps because nobody would watch it if it was just 10 mins of Starmer waffling.

There is no good answer that can be given to be fair. Starmer wouldn't back another vote on independence because it would be detrimental to his own election chances but he obviously can't say that so just sticks to the lame excuses on the script.
 

LordZap

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Oct 27, 2017
379

Poorly edited against him, and it's disingenuous by the interviewer to suggest every vote for the SNP is automatically a vote for independence. Even if it did work that way, SNP+Green was under 50% in 2021, and under 40% in recent polling. Starmer is right when he said the main priority for voters is the economy, polling reflects that not just across the UK but in Scotland too.
 

Aero

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Oct 27, 2017
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Feels like the easy response to those questions would have been that there was a referendum and No won.
The obvious follow up would then be that the situation has changed (eg staying in the EU was part of the No campaign and lol how that ended up) and what would be the route to having another referendum, but then Starmer would at least be consistent with his view of the EU referendum being a one and done thing and there is no route back.
 

Faddy

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Oct 25, 2017
9,199
Yeah, it's a really annoyingly badly edited video.
The original isn't really better (Starmer never answers the questions he just keeps repeating his script "Well my priority is the economy blah blah blah") but regardless, it's badly made.

The editig removes Starmer's filibustering as he tries to talk around the questions without answering it.
 

Snowman2

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Oct 28, 2017
63
That's what Brown was also arguing, all of it is interconnected. A low growth economy -> Inequality -> filthy rich hoard the wealth and the poor gets poorer -> electorate gets angry -> get stupidly irrational and vote for incompetent leaders.

Why has Reform numbers gone up in spite of them/UKIP being a relatively new party? Greens and Lib Dems been in the political game ages and they're not making gains. Slogans, scapegoating, rhetoric are popular. Hate is a very powerful tool.

Brown actually didn't say much in there about inequality at all. I also don't think it's necessarily true that a low-growth economy means rising inequality on its own. You could have low growth and still have policies that redistribute wealth. You can have loads of growth and the wealthy still get more than their fair share if you keep things the same as they are now.

If people are now more prone to zero-sum thinking, surely one solution (if you're scared of the right and aren't a centrist who thinks technology will solve everything), is not to convince them otherwise, but to convince them they'd have way more to gain from sharing some of the ultra-rich's wealth out than the tiny amounts they could scrape back by stopping immigration etc.
 
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Soap

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Oct 27, 2017
15,430
Seems like desperation to me. No matter how you feel about Starmer, the SNP are in this position due to their own fuck ups, and if they elect Forbes as leader then it's an even bigger fuck up. Forbes is legitimately a worse social conservative than a lot of the Tory party, let alone Labour.
 

Mr. Virus

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Oct 27, 2017
1,675
Seems like desperation to me. No matter how you feel about Starmer, the SNP are in this position due to their own fuck ups, and if they elect Forbes as leader then it's an even bigger fuck up. Forbes is legitimately a worse social conservative than a lot of the Tory party, let alone Labour.

The one saving grace for them is that John Swinney has said he's thinking about running for the leadership post. As much as "continuity candidate" got in Humza's head, for the SNP that's not an entirely bad think AND he'd ideally ignore all the dog shit bastards that want to turn the party rightwards.
 
Jun 24, 2019
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Brown actually didn't say much in there about inequality at all. I also don't think it's necessarily true that a low-growth economy means rising inequality on its own. You could have low growth and still have policies that redistribute wealth. You can have loads of growth and the wealthy still get more than their fair share if you keep things the same as they are now.

If people are now more prone to zero-sum thinking, surely one solution (if you're scared of the right and aren't a centrist who thinks technology will solve everything), is not to convince them otherwise, but to convince them they'd have way more to gain from sharing some of the ultra-rich's wealth out than the tiny amounts they could scrape back by stopping immigration etc.
The inequality assumption is what I had from this article as Brown usually writes about them.

I agree low-growth economy doesn't lead to rising inequality, but low-growth economy with neoliberal policies and unwillingness to invest in social infranstructure will lead to it. That's what's dangerous about the blame game as they are falling for grifters who won't "fix" the problems but make matters worse.
 

Patriiick

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Oct 31, 2018
5,920
Grimsby, GB
www.bbc.co.uk

NHS England charter to stress biological sex when placing patients in wards

Transgender women should not be put on single-sex female NHS wards, the government is proposing.

Ugh what a fucking waste of time and energy these bigoted NHS policies are going to be, and they're not going to change under Starmer's Labour either.

I don't see my rights improving under a centrist government.
Surprise surprise, he's already come out and backed it.
 

Yesterzine

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Jan 5, 2022
8,167
But they're not nearly identical or anything and if you don't vote for them then you're literally Hitler or something.
 

T002 Tyrant

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Nov 8, 2018
9,104
Surprise surprise, he's already come out and backed it.

I just can't in all good conscience back Labour so either not going to vote or voting Green. His transphobic copycatting and zero opposition to the Palestinian Genocide means I just can't. Which is a shame. It's like one feels pressured to vote for a "side" which isn't in opposition to anything the Tories say. What's the point in an opposition when they don't oppose anything the Tories say or want?

My only hope is like all politicians he doesn't keep his promises and back-pedals on his transphobic policies.
 

Pheonix Will

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Sep 6, 2021
1,311
The one saving grace for them is that John Swinney has said he's thinking about running for the leadership post. As much as "continuity candidate" got in Humza's head, for the SNP that's not an entirely bad think AND he'd ideally ignore all the dog shit bastards that want to turn the party rightwards.

That could trigger another meltdown in due course though.

My first question as opposition leader would be why was it as deputy leader he knew nothing about the chairman allegedly fraudulently taking money.

And of course that leads onto the point. What if he actually knew anything? Imagine if he's involved.
 
Jan 20, 2023
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in other news the green party is softening it's policies on the environment and the department of silly walks is "looking at mandating a normal gait"
 

Pheonix Will

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Sep 6, 2021
1,311
Remember during COVID when the FT was briefly the one piece of sanity in the media? I see they fully gave up on that.

The absolute minimum is "Radical policies". Fuck me.

I believe it means radical in the sense of drastic change from prior stance.

I've read it, it reads like something staffers have been whispering in the authors ears.

Either way, if that's true whats the point of the Labour Party?

I mean, you'd hope a changing of ships includes different ideally competant leadership but if it can't even get that done right there are problems.



I'll be shocked if we break 10% in London. I just can't see it happening with Labours strength there.
 

Calabi

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Oct 26, 2017
3,504
Get ready after today for inflation to go up a lot, because these dumb ass Tories can't stop kicking themselves and the country to death. Import checks are starting today, although not really the massive import prices are starting but the actual safety checks will never be implemented because the Tories haven't created the infrastructure or employed enough people to do them.

So importers are currently paying huge prices for nothing, and we have a guaranteed food safety disaster in the future, and everyone's going to be wandering what the point of the food safety price hikes were for. Its a shame the Tories won't be in power for the likely blow back from that.
 

Hellers

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Oct 27, 2017
1,385
Get ready after today for inflation to go up a lot, because these dumb ass Tories can't stop kicking themselves and the country to death. Import checks are starting today, although not really the massive import prices are starting but the actual safety checks will never be implemented because the Tories haven't created the infrastructure or employed enough people to do them.

So importers are currently paying huge prices for nothing, and we have a guaranteed food safety disaster in the future, and everyone's going to be wandering what the point of the food safety price hikes were for. Its a shame the Tories won't be in power for the likely blow back from that.

And you know absolutely nothing is going to be done proactively to head it off either. It'll wait until the media noise gets loud enough for them to have to pay attention. And then they'll announce some action that is effectively nothing anyway.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
15,793
I'd have to imagine raising the state pension to 75 is really just scrapping it for most people (although admittedly, I'm a guy from Scotland, so even hitting my 60s is some farfetched dream so maybe my view on how long people live is schewed lol.)