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UK General Election 12th December 2019 |OT1| Hindsight is 20/19 (Tory majority confirmed)
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Also fucking foodbanks being normalised and becoming one of the fastest growing industries. Oh and the return of the scourge of homelessness.
Worth noting it was new Labour that brought in the policies that the tories later expanded on regarding disabled people.
Yeah, and Labour was gonna get rid of them and stop shite like DWP assessments discriminating against the disabled and resulting in farcial horror stories so freauently, so it's not worth noting, not even remotely, that's a stupid thing to preface your sentence with and you should feel bad for even mentioning it as if it's 2010 and not 2019.
No, that's literally what they were created for. Same us CUK, some labour MPs thought the leader was too far left so they bailed to the then-Liberal party and set up as the centrist opposition.
I remember about 20+ years ago watching Newsround and they were doing their school mock elections alongside the real one. The Scottish schools all voted SNP, not one school voted for a different party. The presenters made sure to say this landslide of votes for the SNP is never repeated in the real election where the SNP would be lucky to get a handful of MPs.
I can't help but think that it's that generation all grown up who voted the SNP in tonight. Amazing.
I can't help but think that it's that generation all grown up who voted the SNP in tonight. Amazing.
I knew this election was done the moment I saw the video of people in food banks saying they were voting Boris. When the oppressed are voting for the oppressors it is a hard cycle to break.
My only hope is now on an IndyRef2. I know it may not be easy but our country is progressive and seems to actually give half a damn about us disabled folk which is more than England seems to (as a whole, I know English people here care <3).
It's not hard to want people to be nice and care about others, It's nothing to do with being progressive, or being on the left or an SJW or whatever the right would call me. It's all about DECENT HUMAN DECENCY but instead, England has voted for the exact opposite, some PURELY because of Brexit.
It breaks my heart honestly.
I've been angry at this throughout the election and at ALL parties. I feel we disabled people have been forgotten about throughout all of this. It hurts. But at least if anyone but the Tories had gotten in, I could have some faith that there might be some actual change that would benefit us. But now... nope.
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I saw a speech by someone today (Labour person?) say they were told of complaints to the EC from people who saw on twitter that she was giving some people foodbank stamps. Yes, seriously. Like what the fuck.
This just hurts, deeply.
Problem is the oppressors convinced the oppressed it was all Labour's fault for crashing the economy (amongst other things).
How about offering voters the choice of a different set of policies to vote for?
I refuse to vote Conservative and wasn't impressed by the Labour manifesto but the Lib Dem manifesto closely matched my opinions. It's great to have a voice that represents my interests (..just hope it's a more effective leader speaking for the party next time round).
Fuck two party politics like in the US.
Mine too. Though, dare I say...
... I literally sighed in relief when you said that you're in Scotland. That's how afraid I am for the people of England who don't deserve this. You got a route out. It's gonna be hard but there's an easier to grasp light at the end of the tunnel. You can hope for the future my friend.
I'm just so sorry that I can't say that to anyone from England caught up in the madness...
People are such fucking arseholes to the less fortunate.
Breaks my heart too.
It's worth noting in that those moderates are still in the party. It's worth noting because people always ask for Tony Blair back when Labour loses an election. It's happening in this thread now.
Dark days.
England is a lost cause, politically. Every single aspect of this debacle has been becaue of an English identity crisis because England has no identity of its own.
England is a lost cause, politically. Every single aspect of this debacle has been becaue of an English identity crisis because England has no identity of its own.
National coordinator of Momentum on BBC refusing to accept any responsibility for this disaster. 1000s of people are going to die because they wanted to have a circle jerk about a platform and leader that they knew was never going to return a majority.
Disgusting. Take responsibility, they did this, they knew what the results were going to be but ploughed ahead anyway. Time to admit they were wrong and stop causing more damage.
I'll be expecting Swinson's resignation as well and will not support a Lib Dem candidate that had anything to do with the coalition.
Disgusting. Take responsibility, they did this, they knew what the results were going to be but ploughed ahead anyway. Time to admit they were wrong and stop causing more damage.
I'll be expecting Swinson's resignation as well and will not support a Lib Dem candidate that had anything to do with the coalition.
As somebody who's working class in the field of care work I don't know how to deal with this.
People are going to die and people don't care.
I'm almost hoping for random acts of political violence because there's no other way rich cunts in the political class will pay for the people they murder.
I was actually going to mention that I do not think Corbyn was doing enough. I do believe he would have done alot if he got in. He wouldn't have allowed it, but I just never thought he talked about this particular issue that much. In general it needs to be talked about much more.
With FPTP, it IS mostly two party politics. Without electoral reform into a more PR like system, it will always be a two party system. That's just the way it is.
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I hope NI and Scotland can leave the union and hope that comes with peace (mainly the NI people - although obviously hurdles there)
Fuck the English and Welsh. You're horrible bastards who think you're upper class, when in a period of time you'll be declaring yourself bankrupt as your medical bills are through the roof from too many weatherspoon cooked breakfasts and the food banks have reached maximum capacity. The upper class will be laughing down on you. Tory assholes.
Fuck the English and Welsh. You're horrible bastards who think you're upper class, when in a period of time you'll be declaring yourself bankrupt as your medical bills are through the roof from too many weatherspoon cooked breakfasts and the food banks have reached maximum capacity. The upper class will be laughing down on you. Tory assholes.
I just got done making this point in the Bernie thread, but it's applicable here, too. It's going to take a lot more time and a lot more hard losses to convince people to actually vote their best interests, and for the best interests of their fellow people precisely due to the unprecedented levels of anti-left propaganda that has been met with very little opposition in Europe and North America over the past ~100 years or so. There's no comparison for the scale and longstanding duration of this propaganda campaign.
They DO need to accept their role, but they also need to understand what of their policies if any did appeal and build on that.
You're letting the Great British Public off the hook here. Thousands of people will die, and they made that decision based on a single issue that is likely to cause us further self harm.
Ugh, fair point and I apologise, I thought you were giving a variation of "but Labour did this thing once" as an argument that I am so sick of seeing for the millionth time on the internet. You're right to point it out.
Labour didn't become a great party in the first place by compromise. It became a great party by utterly changing society for countless years when it first truly got into power. And I think the old ways are the best in that Labour should NEVER compromise when it comes to helping the poor and less fortunate. That's what it's there for. And I see people decrying it as hopeless naive idealism... When said idealism worked and worked wonderfully once upon a time, during FAR less favourable economic conditions than now. Labour can't forget where it came from. It was properly formed in the 1900s, true, so it might not be relevant, but idk, I see the working conditions of the 1900s becoming very fucking relevant in 2019 at this rate.
But, the party needs to connect again. It needs more newspapers, a media empire of its own, the biggest trade union push to all the new workers who've never even heard of trade unions before, a good track record, and an undying hatred of the Tories to tie it all together. Labour needs to be reborn. To go to the centre would be to repeat the same thing, to fall into another cycle of ignoring the systemic change that the UK so desperately needs. It can't be a part of that cycle again, it's a broken cycle. It needs to change it, like it did before, many many years ago.
Isn't Wales like the UK's Florida? I.e. tons of old English people go there to retire?
Do we have the data to suggest that Welsh people by and large voted Tory, or are generally hard right conservative voters?
Wow I want to move to a country that isn't completely and utterly stupid.
Labour need a rebrand. Again loved Corbyn's politics but now it's time to play dirty, go center, and make deals with devils. So long as that devil isn't Putin.
Labour need a rebrand. Again loved Corbyn's politics but now it's time to play dirty, go center, and make deals with devils. So long as that devil isn't Putin.
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Goddamn it's a shit show in here. Some of you manbabies need to grow up a little.
I could not vote labour with Corbyn at the helm, the guy does not inspire confidence and was no Tony Blair. I think a lot of people felt that.
governments come and go but some of the comments in here are damn right hilarious. step away from the keyboards people.
We'll see what we can do - although we might need to off-load the Borders.
Not really, white people showed they don't care about bigots.
ABSOLUTELY. I mean, as someone who voted SNP, I also think they need to talk about it more but I voted them knowing and feeling safe that they would do their damnedest to protect and help us. But Tories having a Majority down south... urgh.
We just got absolutely forgotten about during the debates, UC was mentioned like a few times, PIP didn't get a mention at all I think though Punitive Health Assessments did. ESA didn't really get much mentions either iirc.
If we get any mentions, it feels like obligatory quick mentions before moving onto other stuff.
(Sorry, I know other groups, particularly POC (and europeans with all this brexit shit going on) have it as bad or worse under the Tories but still
urgh, this sucks.
Come to Scotland and help us build an escape route and a future we can look forward to instead of fear.
I think the natural response for anybody who isn't literally evil in the UK right now is for them to hope their region because a part of Scotland.
Honestly I feel like selfishness is at the root of this. Labour come out with all these socially beneficial policies, and the thing is most people just don't care. They're out for number 1. It doesn't matter whether the tax increase is minimal, it doesn't matter if it'll help to create a more wholesome and inclusive place to live, people are out for Number 1. People might not be as odious as Johnson, but I feel like a LOT identify with his self-serving ways.
Basically never get stuck on a sinking ship with a Tory voter, your ass is going to drown.
Basically never get stuck on a sinking ship with a Tory voter, your ass is going to drown.
I don't think I heard windrush being mentioned once this campaign.
Nah, as someone who has and will continue to suffer under a Tory gov, fuck the English that voted for the Tories.
Windrush, sick and disabled dying, poor unable to eat...
Blair is also a war criminal and started off the attacks on benefits.
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