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Dyno

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
13,377
But the nationalists in Scotland are the ones to watch out for! That Nicola Sturgeon above stating Scotland is welcoming of anyone who calls Scotland home! Terrorist!

Yet again, Brexit Nationalists/Little Englanders forgetting why Scottish people are backing independence. So we can be proud of Scotland and cut ourselves away from your types.

Fwiw I wish I was Scottish. I fucking hate this racist country. I get why you say your types since it clearly makes up the majority, but trust me I share nothing on common with this country's views.
 

Audioboxer

Banned
Nov 14, 2019
2,943
Victoria Derbyshire is at a library talking to voters in Birmingham.

Henry, a lifelong Labour voter who voted Conservative for the first time yesterday, says he had become "disillusioned" with his traditional party, so the Tories seemed to be the "better option at the moment".

Claudia, also a Labour voter, says she is "shocked" voters like Henry, who recognised they wanted change, had switched votes to re-elect a "party that hasn't brought change about".

Henry responds that he voted Conservative because "they stand to do more" than Labour, a party he says have been beset by "in-fighting" and "no real stance" on Brexit.

Nea voted Conservative and says she feels "over the moon" with their victory.

She says she voted for the Tories because she voted Brexit, adding "there were definitely reasons for going ahead with Brexit".

Is Henry just an idiot or what?



Centrists are oppressed!
 

SMD

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,341
Sorry, my bad, I meant the other way around! I'll edit.

Oh, then yes, I'd probably recommend buying in the next week or so. I imagine things will be stable over Christmas since everyone will be on holiday and then after the Queen's Speech we'll probably start seeing what sort of trajectory the pound will be on. I think a Brexit deal will see another spike upward followed by a decline once businesses start leaving and the asset stripping is done.
 

Shogun

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,435
Have to admit I never realised just how much people wanted to leave Europe. Spoke to a few people earlier on and for them Brexit offers them hope when for me it's just giving more power to the people who have divided and conquered. Guess we all get to see what exactly Brexit means over the next few years, I just really hope the people that wanted it so bad and yet don't really know why aren't going to regret this for the rest of their lives because it's all of us who have to live with it.
 

Shevek

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,544
Cape Town, South Africa
Centrists are oppressed!

But there is hope for them after all!

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Temascos

Member
Oct 27, 2017
12,565
I had some fears when this election was first confirmed, it was not much longer than after Boris had wanted to be so he could push Brexit through, knowing that he could get their votes. Our smartest political operators walked right into it and said "Yeah sure! Let's hold an election in a fucking December Thursday!"

They should have held it after January, or waited until the Summer. Let Johnson flounder on his lack of mandate and then he would have kept failing. We didn't even get to do this on a weekend, where more people could have turned up.

They gave into his terms, and then the media did exactly the same. Accountability is only for those who actually want it to be a thing in the first place.
 

SMD

Member
Oct 28, 2017
6,341
I had some fears when this election was first confirmed, it was not much longer than after Boris had wanted to be so he could push Brexit through, knowing that he could get their votes. Our smartest political operators walked right into it and said "Yeah sure! Let's hold an election in a fucking December Thursday!"

They should have held it after January, or waited until the Summer. Let Johnson flounder on his lack of mandate and then he would have kept failing. We didn't even get to do this on a weekend, where more people could have turned up.

They gave into his terms, and then the media did exactly the same. Accountability is only for those who actually want it to be a thing in the first place.

Holding it after January risked a no deal Brexit. The Tories set up a trap and there were only two bad options.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,902
Scotland
Going looking for something that's always existed (queues/crowds) but this time the image of it was turned into confirmation bias.

Yeah, I did feel this was the case yesterday but didn't want to be the person to piss on people's parade.

My polling station was kinda small and although I didn't see a crowd/queue because I voted early in the morning, it probably did generate a small queue/crowd during peak time simply because it is a fucking small area. Coupled with the fact that it was open from 7am to 10pm, the reason for there being a massive queue couldn't be because of enthusiasm. This isn't the first election of a post-soviet country.
 

Luckett_X

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Oct 25, 2017
2,416
Leeds, UK
When I lean for 'centrism', its very much a heavily left leaning centrism. A bit lefter of the one that actually held power for 13 years. Essentially just not insane make believe utopian socialism manifesto nonsense land left. And yes of course some shitty independent party was going to get crushed at any election, they were all fools to engage with such an activity, but I guess they wanted to spend their time doing so rather than just sit on the good ship Corbyn as the icy water froze around their ankles.

All the "massive turnout" shit was the usual social media bubble of newbies that have probably never been to the polls before thinking that even the slightest amount of people in a queue meant shit was "totes mental m8".

Been seeing some amazingly vapid quotes about optimism and "next time!". Pity theres absolutely no-one in Labour to Kinnock all the cunts within an inch of their lives. Oh well eh. Maybe by 2035.
 

Guppeth

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Oct 25, 2017
15,874
Sheffield, UK
My one consolation is that all of my immediate family voted Labour, even my Brexity brother-in-law. So I can spend Christmas with them safe in the knowledge that they didn't vote to fuck me, themselves, and everyone else.
 
Mar 29, 2018
7,078
They voted for a bigot, for a party that caused Windrush and didn't give a shit about Grenfell. They either are bigoted themselves or fine with voting for one, both are the same.
I'd wager that for most of them, it was about (and only about) Brexit. Because everyone is sick to death of it and spiritually NEEDS it to be over. Because it's inevitable.

Not saying they aren't bigoted and idiotic, or that they were right to do so. Just saying it was probably Brexit that flipped so many people. Bojo's strategy of going insanely hard on that worked. And Corb et al fucked up by having waffly stances.
 

SprachBrooks

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
1,353
These xenophobic assholes that voted for the Conservatives are going to be in for a rude awakening when they're asked to pay for their dialysis. And I'll love watching them struggle to pay for their healthcare because they got Brexit done.
 

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I had some fears when this election was first confirmed, it was not much longer than after Boris had wanted to be so he could push Brexit through, knowing that he could get their votes. Our smartest political operators walked right into it and said "Yeah sure! Let's hold an election in a fucking December Thursday!"
They were forced into it first by the SNP and then by the Lib Dems. Also didn't help that Corbyn had been calling for an election nearly every bloody week. The rest of his party clearly didn't want one because they knew it was going to be a massacre and said as much.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,902
Scotland
Soooo anyone know the prices for BUPA? Will it be competitive next to the NHS?

Will Churchill provide health insurance? Will we see meerkat ads plugging health insurance comparisons?

or better yet, when do the shares/stocks of the NHS go on sale just like Royal Mail couple of years back?
 

SprachBrooks

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Oct 28, 2017
1,353
I'd wager that for most of them, it was about (and only about) Brexit. Because everyone is sick to death of it and spiritually NEEDS it to be over. Because it's inevitable.

Not saying they aren't bigoted and idiotic, or that they were right to do so. Just saying it was probably Brexit that flipped so many people. Bojo's strategy of going insanely hard on that worked. And Corb et al fucked up by having waffly stances.

It's never about a single issue. You cannot separate the bigotry of the Conservatives by stating they only voted because of Brexit. They voted for a party who'll be governing. Meaning, they'll be implementing policy that will directly affect, negatively, those most vulnerable. Consequently, they are responsible for this and are implicated in the bigotry and misery wrought upon those most vulnerable.

Blaming the Labour Party for offering a moderate manifesto in social democratic terms is completely idiotic and misses the point of the election. They capitulated to centrist demands to include a second referendum that weakened them but as a broad church party, Corbyn et al had no choice. There was only ever going to be one choice, which is why it's even more important that they delivered a genuinely transformative manifesto, because arguably, they'd have had nothing else to offer and could have lost even more seats.
 

ChrisP8Three

Member
Oct 26, 2017
1,006
Leeds
It was telegraphed this result, facebook is the news source of the people and on any news article people love Boris and think Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser, i don't like Corbyn and as much as i don't want brexit this was more than this, we need to look beyond what was/is going to happen with brexit, to public services the NHS etc and it seems the vast majority only cared about 'getting it done' and 'thats just leftie lies, Boris is a top bloke'

honestly i don't know where to go now, so many failures that i honestly question democracy as a whole has failured, poorly educated masses are taken in by propoganda, utterly and unwilling to fact check
I don't know it just all seems futile
 

Kaitos

Tens across the board!
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
14,714
The Tory voters blame Labour for austerity and Labour voters blame Lib Dems for austerity. The campaign against Corbyn and Swanson was disgusting. The fucking Tories are responsible for austerity and pissing their fucking pants at the other parties attacking each other.
You didn't actually reply to anything I said.
 

Audioboxer

Banned
Nov 14, 2019
2,943
Well that's it. The United Kingdom has died. The Conservatives killed it. It's all over bar the screaming. It's all over for any hope of stopping Brexit. It's all over for the Labour party. It's all over for the Lib Dem's hopes of being a relevant political force. It's all over for the Conservatives' claim to represent the entire UK. It's all over for the UK. Yesterday's election was the death knell of this so called precious union that is no union at all. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was given the mandate that he craved from the electorate in England and Wales, but Scotland said no. We told the Tories again, and they're still not listening.

An independence referendum and Scottish independence is now the only way to prevent Scotland being lost to a Tory Brexit and to years and years of Boris Johnson's unfettered rule. It's the only way to defend our NHS from a trade deal with Trump. It's the only way to protect the weak, the vulnerable, the poor, and the sick. It's the only way to protect the post-war settlement that underpins those supposedly British values that so many No voters in 2014 thought they were voting for.

Politically Scotland and England are not merely different countries, we're different worlds. Scotland showed that it aspires to be a normal social democratic northern European nation, England voted for the kind of right wing authoritarian populism that wouldn't be out of place in Eastern Europe. The UK is no longer sustainable. Those Scots who consoled themselves with the myths of Britishness have had their comfort blanket ripped from them, exposing the naked truth of a Scotland that's a possession of Tory nightmares. The Conservatives are calling themselves One Nation Conservatives, they don't mean Scotland where the SNP pretty much swept the board. They don't mean Northern Ireland where for the first time nationalist MPs outnumber unionists. They mean Greater England.

The SNP will demand a Section 30 order. The Scottish Government will assert the right of the people of Scotland to decide our own future. Nicola Sturgeon has been given the moral and political capital by the people of Scotland to make that assertion. But Johnson will refuse. He'll refuse because he knows, just as Jackson Carlaw knows, that the only way that he can only resist Scottish independence for as long as he can resist another referendum.

There will now be a direct collision between Boris Johnson and Scotland. It's up to us in the Yes movement, and to the Scottish Government, to capitalise politically on that refusal. We need to keep insisting, to refuse to take no for an answer. We cannot and will not accept that Boris Johnson has a political or moral right to refuse the legimitate demand of the people of Scotland to determine their own future. His refusal will only prove that this UK is not a union, that the UK is not a partnership of nations, that we cannot have true democracy in Scotland if a Prime Minister we didn't vote for has a veto on our future. We must ensure that there will be widespread public support in Scotland for the pursuit of alternative strategies.

2020 is going to be a busy year for the Yes movement. There is a path out of the darkness of Boris Johnson's Brexit Britain. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Independence beckons.


THE WEE GINGER DUG SPEAKS



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In the case of NI, it's legally not Johnson's call. The Good Friday Agreement says that the Secretary of State shall call a referendum "any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland".

So, for example, if there were a series of opinion polls in NI that suggested that a united Ireland would win a referendum, it should be legally incumbent upon the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland to call that referendum. Once called, if won, "the Secretary of State shall lay before Parliament such proposals to give effect to that wish".

In real life I'm sure Johnson would be able to quietly order the Secretary of State for NI to creatively misinterpret any such circumstances, but in legal terms he shouldn't be involved, either in the decision to call the referendum or in any attempt to mess with the result afterwards.


I think that's what he'll do. He might even try to make that legally stick - like, removing the ability of the Scottish parliament to call even advisory referendums for 20 years as a condition for allowing another one.
A fact that would guarantee independent Scotland!
 

Lee Morris

Member
Oct 28, 2017
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There is hope for the left in this country. The left leaning Labour, Lib Dems and SNP account for over 15 million people in this country. The labour gamble of taking a neutral position failed. I love Corbyn but I understand why he has to stand down but I believe in Momentum and the socilst ideals of the party has to remain. They just need to be repacked, as some how the majority of the working class thought that these policies wouldn't help them. Labour has to do a better job of connecting the dots for people.

I honestly believe they will have an easier time of that at the next election as the arguments over Brexit will be over, the economy will be worse, there will be less jobs, hate crime will have unfortunately increased to a level that some of those Tory voters will take notice, the lefts in the lib Dems will know they have to vote labour for an end to Tory rule and Johnson will continue to show his true colours and more and more shit will come out about him.

We are down today but tomorrow we have to look up and forward. We have to believe in hope.
 

DeltaRed

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Apr 27, 2018
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It's impossible to fix this country while rags like the Sun and Daily Mail continue to spew their bile and lies. So much of what you read there is what you see on people's Facebook and what they talk about down at the Pub. They are brainwashed by it on a daily basis.
 

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You didn't actually reply to anything I said.
Yeah, sorry, don't know how to get my thoughts across at the moment 'cause I'm so angry at yet another Tory majority and I can't see anything changing in the foreseeable future either. Next election we'll still have people blaming the Lib Dems and Labour for austerity, and saying centrist policies are unpopular and the tories will still be laughing their asses off.
 

PJV3

Member
Oct 25, 2017
25,676
London
I don't see it as a vote for the Conservatives, I see it as a vote for Brexit. It's the first time I've done it. My dad was a miner, and his dad was a miner, and I've always voted Labour ...I think if there had been another leader, I would have voted for them again.
Asked what it was in particular that she disliked about Corbyn, she replied: "there's something about his mannerisms."


Lol, I'm going to lie down
 
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