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UK charts: Slow start for Tomb Raider as Spider-Man reigns supreme
- Thread starter Loudninja
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Too busy with Dead by Daylight. Even if I weren't, there's a copy of Spider-Man waiting in the wing.
From what I have seen on youtube of the cutscenes I might agree with this. There is just something really off with the writing team that does these games. Like I said they need to let it rest and reboot later with a better team.
This! I haven't seen so many people talking about a game, sharing pics on social media sites etc like I have seen for Spider-Man. The likes and retweet counts are insane lol
Leave it SE to throw money away. Rise has performed almost on par with Final Fantasy XV even after the exclusivity bullshit, the series deserves time and respect and yet you ship it out without hype in the middle of a bloodbath.
Not sure about that. While I did completely forgo the PS4 version of ROTR for that slight towards me as a fan, I eventually got the PC version. It was mediocre and totally forgettable; I was excited about where the series could go after TR2013, but they turned it into a 'open world' collectathon. Coupled with the weak story, it did not help to rekindle any love I had for the franchise. This latest one seems more of the same - judging from reviews while it's well made it's nothing remarkable, and I think you need that to get people interested.
Yes! Totally agree. I liked TR2013 because it leaned more towards The Last Of Us' more relaxed pacing and more open levels. I don't know why they went open world collectathon and full on action rpg game with the sequels.
They really do. The studio was starting to get bogged down a bit by the industry it seemed like. But I always thought they had some fun games to play even in the "Fuse" era. Ratchet games were mostly fun the coop one cool. But I think most people knew after Sunset they were just waiting to get something huge out there. Spider-Man was such a perfect fit.
They do need to do a Resistance trilogy remaster like Uncharted though. Those games in particular would fare really well with a nice remaster, especially 3.
Got damn. You pretty much captured my thoughts on the nu-TR games perfectly. Even though im still trudging through shadow since it feels like theres not much story content.
You likely know more since you have US numbers, but yea, I'd say your assessment is fair. It'll need to do pretty well given its budget though.
I'm surprised no one has responded to your post. Smash will absolutely not be the sales champion for 2018. Not even close. It won't beat Spider-Man, Call of Duty, or Red Dead Redemption II. I'm not confident it will beat God of War, Battlefield V, or Far Cry 5 either.
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While you can't completely handwave install base away, it's also not as cut and dried as you make it seem. Heck many Switch titles are selling better than on PS4 or PC with higher install bases. I also remember reading that Titanfall 2 did better on XB1 than on PS4 at least on some regions. It also happened a few times last gen that some games would sell better on PS3 than on XB360 in the USA and UK where XBOX had the advantage in install base.
The problem with TR is the ASP .
The first one sold a lot of copies on the cheap so you want part 2 to have a better ASP .
Part 2 sold less and they still had to slash the game price early and it look like it will be that way for part 3 also .
Better to sell small amount at a high price than fair amount at a low price since these games not cheap .
The first one sold a lot of copies on the cheap so you want part 2 to have a better ASP .
Part 2 sold less and they still had to slash the game price early and it look like it will be that way for part 3 also .
Better to sell small amount at a high price than fair amount at a low price since these games not cheap .
They really do. Spider-Man is really going to bring the studio in the limelight, and I couldn't be more happier for them.
US isnt really any better.
But overall the game is seeing growth from Rise. You factor in retail sales being marginally up and also digital is stronger now than when Rise launched. So I mean, it is a better position for Tomb Raider the brand and SE to be in then last time around.
It's just that, these numbers still aren't great. Especially for a major AAA game, one that SE believes had a lot of brand power. Given also it launched on PS4 this time around you would hope to see significant growth over Rise, not just a bit of a lift.
So yeah, it's not a bomb per se. But it's also far from a home run
There are few factors that made me less surprised about how Shadow performed.
First and most important is one of the worst marketing campaigns for AAA game, with behind the closed doors events and terrible E3 trailer/footage. Compared to huge S-M marketing by Sony, Shadow's was basically nonexistent. I never saw ppl talking so much on social media about S-M game, even months before it was released.
2nd thing is very short period from the game reveal to release of the game. Many were expecting short but big marketing campaign in that period and SE/EM did almost nothing to promote the game.
Spider-Man is huge, obviously. It's made by great developers, it's Sony exclusive and it had impressive marketing push. No one is surprised that it's doing so well.
Shadow on the other hand could have done better. But it was released just 3 days ago. Plus you can't compare physical sales today with 2015. Things change. There is nothing to compare S-M with.
I am still pretty sure that Shadow will do fine in the long run, just like i said before it was released. GP is usually buying these games weeks or months later. And that's ok.
First and most important is one of the worst marketing campaigns for AAA game, with behind the closed doors events and terrible E3 trailer/footage. Compared to huge S-M marketing by Sony, Shadow's was basically nonexistent. I never saw ppl talking so much on social media about S-M game, even months before it was released.
2nd thing is very short period from the game reveal to release of the game. Many were expecting short but big marketing campaign in that period and SE/EM did almost nothing to promote the game.
Spider-Man is huge, obviously. It's made by great developers, it's Sony exclusive and it had impressive marketing push. No one is surprised that it's doing so well.
Shadow on the other hand could have done better. But it was released just 3 days ago. Plus you can't compare physical sales today with 2015. Things change. There is nothing to compare S-M with.
I am still pretty sure that Shadow will do fine in the long run, just like i said before it was released. GP is usually buying these games weeks or months later. And that's ok.
Benji, do you think SoTR is going to have legs or you think it'll be forgotten as massive multiplats like RDR2 and CoD releases?
Yes I can because at some point install base mean nothing if there is very little interest in the title.
I like the TR reboot and Rise but i'm in no rush to get this given the games coming out this fall.
Thing is, it's showing some slight growth versus the previous titles launch which was on just the Microsoft platforms, but that should almost be a given since the PS4 install base (the largest out there) is now included from the get go. Presumably Microsoft paid for exclusivity last time in some form, be it via marketing or other types of funding etc, so the question in terms of success or margins, is whether the growth with Shadow is able to offset that difference this time around.
Both Tomb Raider 2013 and Rise sold a lot of their copies for steep discounted prices far after launch. Given the upcoming slate of titles I'd expect the same for Shadow.
Thing is these newer Tomb Raider games are very leggy, both of them. It's just going to happen at a much lower price tag.
Yeah I dont disagree with any of that. It's not a great performance at all really, but one I do think they'll eventually break even or turn a small profit on. That said you dont fund major AAA games to just break even. I suspect this is the last Tomb Raider we see for a long time
This is the lunch numbers on PS3 and 360 for TR 2013 right?
The hype was unbelievably BIG for the 2013 game... so sad the numb declined for the two sequels.
Well, another Reboot after some break I guess is in order.
I think the big issue is the characters, Uncharted games or the Indy movies don't have great stories, they get the job done sure, but they aren't really anything complex or even all that interesting (though I really like Avery's story in Uncharted 4), the great characters are why people care. Uncharted without Drake and co wouldn't be anywhere near as loved if not for them imo, sure the action is important too, very much so even, but a really likeable character or cast goes a real long way in these games long term. The reboot does pretty much the opposite for me as I hate pretty much every character at this point.
The gameplay is only fine imo too, was good in 2013, but hasn't really moved on much.
In the case of Europe you guys all forget Fifa 19 which will sell with this years version even more than 18(24 Million) did and this one comes already in 1 week with the "Play it 3 days earlier" Bonus.
CoD 2 weeks after that if im right and 2 weeks after that RDR2 - There won't be much space for anything Multiplat between them for the remaining months of the year.
Oh right I forgot about FIFA, that's going to destroy everything in europe lol
Yep, exactly. I told those people legs would be great cause the game is really good and word of mouth would work.
honestly next game they should sign the exclusive marketing with sony. Sony this gen is on another level when it comes to marketing , from monster hunter to spiderman to god of war to destiny2 they have been on point this year. MS dropped the ball by their poor marketing for this title.
Totally agree with this, they are unmatched this gen in that department.
TBF, God of War had much better than great legs. I knew Spidey would do very well, but it's just taking the piss already outselling GoW (In the UK) in just a week and a bit.
All the Lemmings responsible for marketing were too busy advertising Spider-Man.
Yeah god of war has more than 3x its opening week
Incredible legs but spidey is gonna be unreal with bundling the holidays comings
500k before year ends is easily in play
I assume Xbox has the marketing for Shadow in the UK as all the adverts I've seen end with Xbox and there's been a lot of them. That the exclusivity deal of the previous game has done shit all for the sales split.
Well GOW was never big in UK ( or EU ) really .
What more impressive is it destroying UC4 sales by good amount .
Probably Red Dead Redemption 2, CoD and Spidey as the main 3 I think. With FIFA on top for Europe.
Could be wrong, but my guess is Spider-Man. It has a wider general appeal to draw in more casuals and non typical gamers, plus in terms of branding and mindshare victories versus their competitors, it's an easy win. This Marvel universe is the cultural phenomenon of the decade, and for Sony to be (for the time being with Marvel as a whole) exclusively associated with it, and with what is one of the biggest superhero IP's of all, has to be a massive PR and branding boost in and of itself.
MS has the exclusive marketing for shadow everywhere . i m sure they do better marketing wise in uk and US and nonexistant in ROTW. I havent seen a single SOTR ads while i have seen many ads for spiderman .
Yeah, why not? Dont they usually have several bundle options like COD etc ?
GoW (2018) was though, it's seriously impressive that Spidey is pretty easily beating it imo.
I definitely agree with the latter too.
I guess a combination of both and a 199.99$/€ Bundle on Black Friday.
Don't forget Black Ops 4 / Rdr2 bundles also.
yea but for 3rd party games. they usually do 1 first party and 1 or 2 third party games like RDR and COD