Wouldnt it make sense to wait for some ACTUAL hands on testing of some of these? You know DF was going to go nuts with this anyway.
Is anyone really canceling a preorder over this?
Is anyone really canceling a preorder over this?
I very much doubt they tested all games all the way through for all bugs. That's not remotely feasible.
My guess is they test them for a set period of gameplay, not the entire game. To test over 4000 games to completion (including side quests etc) is an unfathomable task.
Say those 4000 games have an average play time including side content of 25 hours, that's over 100,000 hours of game testing time, or around 12,500 days of 8 hour work day testing.
Even if you had a team of 10 people testing said games for 8 hours a day, it would take them well over 3 and a half years to test them all, since that's not taking into account data recording, notes, annotation, side work etc.
BC will never be completely bug or problem free. You only have to Google Xbox One backwards compatibility problems to bring up a long list of people complaining about BC bugs on that system too. That's ignoring that even non BC games can have bugs. Hell, Syndicate is buggy even on the PS4 lol.
I mean it could work but mid way through the game deletes your PS5 hard drive. lol joke...who knows Ubisoft needs to clarify as well.
Or it could be a error like with the xbox list, or old information.I did, so either Ubisoft is lying about their games not working, or Sony didn't do the work and just made a claim without data to back it up. Between the two, only one has something to gain for for saying something that's false. Did you stop to think about it at all?
the longer this goes on it is utterly transparent that someone working at ubisoft is an xbox fan and is intentionally trying to smear sony with false information about their own games. i hope all of the missing sales are worth it ubisoft.
oh dang lolI really hope this isn't true. I'm getting boned hard here if this is the end result LOLOLOL. This is what I mean. My Assassin's Creed purchase history since 2014.
The ONLY Time I step out, hahaha. I hope it gets fixed.
Maybe they did, but Sony didn't update their list .. we don't know...Or it could be a error like with the xbox list, or old information.
Or a Ubisoft decision based on their results of BC.
But in that last case...why dont talk with sony first instead of putting it directly in a news post?
Doesn't this fly in the face of 1) their full detailing of BC back in March, and 2) following up on that a few weeks ago? That's not unusually quiet. That's you making something up to use as a standard where it doesn't really exist.
I really hope this isn't true. I'm getting boned hard here if this is the end result LOLOLOL. This is what I mean. My Assassin's Creed purchase history since 2014.
The ONLY Time I step out, hahaha. I hope it gets fixed.
I really hope this isn't true. I'm getting boned hard here if this is the end result LOLOLOL. This is what I mean. My Assassin's Creed purchase history since 2014.
The ONLY Time I step out, hahaha. I hope it gets fixed.
The "may exhibit errors" seems to correlate with what Sony's API defines as "bootable" rather than compatible
Looks like Backwards compatibility is gonna be a quite a mess for Sony.
Are you freaking kidding me, then people wonder why some are "concerned" and want clear honest answers. Hopefully Sony responds soon saying what the issue is if there's any at all. I don't want to be playing a game for 50hrs then run into some random game breaking glitch.I posted this in the Playstation Studios OT, but I guess it makes more sense here now.
I was curious to see how many other games this might apply to, and if you do a Google site search on the Playstation store for that specific wording around 'unexpected behaviour or errors', you currently get around 100 games:
Some notable names in there, but without knowing what 'unexpected behaviour' or 'errors' we're talking about, it's hard to know how deeply individual games might be affected. Viewing it optimistically, some of these smell like possibly online service issues (e.g. the older MLB/NBA games). A number of VR games are in there too.
I very much doubt they tested all games all the way through for all bugs. That's not remotely feasible.
My guess is they test them for a set period of gameplay, not the entire game. To test over 4000 games to completion (including side quests etc) is an unfathomable task.
Say those 4000 games have an average play time including side content of 25 hours, that's over 100,000 hours of game testing time, or around 12,500 days of 8 hour work day testing.
Even if you had a team of 10 people testing said games for 8 hours a day, it would take them well over 3 and a half years to test them all, since that's not taking into account data recording, notes, annotation, side work, breaks, procrastination etc.
BC will never be completely bug or problem free. You only have to Google Xbox One backwards compatibility problems to bring up a long list of people complaining about BC bugs on that system too. That's ignoring that even non BC games can have bugs. Hell, Syndicate is buggy even on the PS4 lol.
And yet there are still plenty of people experiencing BC bugs with random games. Though I will say I am impressed by the figure and tweet if true. I guess Microsoft must have had a very large team and investment dedicated specifically to BC testing.
Couldn't it be that Ubisodts definition of BC is different from Sonys? Sony never stated all the games will work 100%, perhaps from Ubis standpoint Syndicate isn't running well enough to call it "Backwards compatible".
Unless one of them is just incorrect or were miscommunicated, I think this is most likely.
This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen said on this forum.the longer this goes on it is utterly transparent that someone working at ubisoft is an xbox fan and is intentionally trying to smear sony with false information about their own games. i hope all of the missing sales are worth it ubisoft.
That is what I am reading. It seems that Sony definition of compatibility is "well, it runs". If it is the case (hope not) many games may encounter problems/bugs during their run, and may be not be complete/play through the end. That is a major problem. MS approach of "all your library in one machine" had a lot of effort that pays well, and Sony is kind of new in this field.
This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've seen said on this forum.
I have no idea.Why are people being so ridiculous?
It doesn't appear anyone has lied or anybody is trying to deceive. It looks like Ubisoft's post is just just correct of this second: as some of the games on that list don't work properly and some now do.
Well, friend I said that so we can dismiss the word from the discussion on both our parts, not just yours. I'm not defending Sony and Sony doesn't need my defense. The rest of your comment is the typical deflection of having nothing else to add to this discussion. It's cool, but I wouldn't spend anymore energy on being upset on this trivial issue.Friend, you are the one who started saying someone was lying. I said they made a statement without doing the work to prove it. If Ubisoft is making an honest claim, then it's obvious Sony didn't test before saying they worked. How is that difficult to understand? Booting a game and running it successfully are two different things. If you are having to jump through technicality hoops to defend Sony, maybe you should stop, take a breath, and realize the a mega corporation doesn't need you as a white knight savior...
No one knows. Ubi just dropped it and fucked off without any clarification.
Why would you doubt the authenticity of the tweet? It's not by some random fan, it's by someone in the bc program.And yet there are still plenty of people experiencing BC bugs with random games. Though I will say I am impressed by the figure and tweet if true. I guess Microsoft must have had a very large team and investment dedicated specifically to BC testing. Because 500,000 hours is 62,500 work days of testing lol. I can't even wrap my head around how many people it must have taken to do that if true.
I think this is the most likely scenario. It makes sense for Ubisoft to be basing what they've said on results provided by Sony. They see a list saying "bootable" and "compatible", someone interprets anything that isn't listed as "compatible" as being "incompatible", and the result is confusing statements. (And even worse: confusing statements where Ubisoft's original interpretation still seems valid to them after they recheck it).This is how I interpret this, Sony classified the game as "bootable" rather than "compatible", Ubisoft PR saw that and said, let's not risk anything by using the term "compatible" in reference to this game.
Neither of them "lied", they are just sticking to specific terms, and so far all we know about their meaning is that this game boots but encounters some unspecified issues.
I very much doubt they tested all games all the way through for all bugs. That's not remotely feasible.
My guess is they test them for a set period of gameplay, not the entire game. To test over 4000 games to completion (including side quests etc) is an unfathomable task.
Say those 4000 games have an average play time including side content of 25 hours, that's over 100,000 hours of game testing time, or around 12,500 days of 8 hour work day testing.
Even if you had a team of 10 people testing said games for 8 hours a day, it would take them well over 3 and a half years to test them all, since that's not taking into account data recording, notes, annotation, side work, breaks, procrastination etc.
BC will never be completely bug or problem free. You only have to Google Xbox One backwards compatibility problems to bring up a long list of people complaining about BC bugs on that system too. That's ignoring that even non BC games can have bugs. Hell, Syndicate is buggy even on the PS4 lol.
😂the longer this goes on it is utterly transparent that someone working at ubisoft is an xbox fan and is intentionally trying to smear sony with false information about their own games. i hope all of the missing sales are worth it ubisoft.
And yet there are still plenty of people experiencing BC bugs with random games. Though I will say I am impressed by the figure and tweet if true. I guess Microsoft must have had a very large team and investment dedicated specifically to BC testing. Because 500,000 hours is 62,500 work days of testing lol. I can't even wrap my head around how many people it must have taken to do that if true.
And yet there are still plenty of people experiencing BC bugs with random games. Though I will say I am impressed by the figure and tweet if true. I guess Microsoft must have had a very large team and investment dedicated specifically to BC testing. Because 500,000 hours is 62,500 work days of testing lol. I can't even wrap my head around how many people it must have taken to do that if true.
Some online functionalities I assume, the same reason why this year's NBA is too.
3000 people can do it in a regular work month. (40 hours x 4 weeks)
Lmfaoooothe longer this goes on it is utterly transparent that someone working at ubisoft is an xbox fan and is intentionally trying to smear sony with false information about their own games. i hope all of the missing sales are worth it ubisoft.
I really hope this isn't true. I'm getting boned hard here if this is the end result LOLOLOL. This is what I mean. My Assassin's Creed purchase history since 2014.
The ONLY Time I step out, hahaha. I hope it gets fixed.
Do you think that's an insignificant amount of people, time, and labor?
Didn't Sony say many games will even run boosted? Now we are even arguing whether they work at all. It seems they really have different modes for different games. Can't wait for a bc show case from them!
And yet there are still plenty of people experiencing BC bugs with random games. Though I will say I am impressed by the figure and tweet if true. I guess Microsoft must have had a very large team and investment dedicated specifically to BC testing. Because 500,000 hours is 62,500 work days of testing lol. I can't even wrap my head around how many people it must have taken to do that if true.
3000 people can do it in a regular work month. (40 hours x 4 weeks)
Yes, Xbox has a team dedicated to BC, Sony needs to do the same thing in all honesty.
I mean it's kinda weird ya know? That's the kinda terminology I expect to see from the likes of Dolphin or PCSX2 you know? Granted like I said I am very curious and will test my multiplat library on a mate's PS5 because I want to see what 'bootable' means.The very fact that Sony has options for "bootable" and "compatible" shows that their solution is still not good enough right now. For players what matters is that they can play the game till its end. Bootable means nothing to me. Like "you will enjoy the title screen". Just say the game doesn't work. But saying "only 10 games don't work " are better in terms of marketing, right? Even if dozens of other games are just "bootable". Keep your PS4 if you like your games.
And yet there are still plenty of people experiencing BC bugs with random games. Though I will say I am impressed by the figure and tweet if true. I guess Microsoft must have had a very large team and investment dedicated specifically to BC testing. Because 500,000 hours is 62,500 work days of testing lol. I can't even wrap my head around how many people it must have taken to do that if true.
Yeah, it's bizarre that people keep denying a statement from Ubisoft on their official website. Ubisoft are listing particular games that won't work on PS5. What more clarification do people want? The publisher would never put up a statement like this on their website if they aren't sure of it. Even if the games boot up on PS5, they clearly have some serious issues that would make even Ubisoft classify them as incompatible. The publisher would never call their own games incompatible on a platform unless there's a good reason for it, because losing potential sales is the last thing a publisher wants.Friend, you are the one who started saying someone was lying. I said they made a statement without doing the work to prove it. If Ubisoft is making an honest claim, then it's obvious Sony didn't test before saying they worked. How is that difficult to understand? Booting a game and running it successfully are two different things. If you are having to jump through technicality hoops to defend Sony, maybe you should stop, take a breath, and realize the a mega corporation doesn't need you as a white knight savior...
I advise you to buy a lottery ticket ASAP lmaoI really hope this isn't true. I'm getting boned hard here if this is the end result LOLOLOL. This is what I mean. My Assassin's Creed purchase history since 2014.
The ONLY Time I step out, hahaha. I hope it gets fixed.
not only will they not, they have been clear that those exact games being the Xbox One games that won't be compatible. They are making a clean break from the kinect, and focusing on expanding and improving the BC library elsewhere.