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Trudeau joins the BLM protest in Ottawa
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Ok there.
Are you even Canadian? Cause again, the only people bringing this up are conservatives. Even the NDP have mostly made their peace.
We're trying to explain to you that what he did is forgivable and that the vast majority of left leaning voters have forgiven him. He has done a lot of good for our country since 2015 compared to what was done before and what COULD have been had the election of 2019 changed. He's not perfect but calling him a racist or saddling him with something that he apologized for TWICE! demonstrates ignorance.
There are always going to be disingenuous fucks who are more interested in getting a gotcha than having a real conversation. I've only been to Canada a few times and only in places like Montreal and Toronto so I cannot comment really on any cultural issues with Canada with any sort of sophistication. It just breaks my heart to see this happen anywhere, but especially in a country that prides itself on how well it assimilates immigrants and yet cannot assimilate the people that were there in the first place.
See I agree with you, I've seen a lot of white people say the same shit. The difference here is that this is a white dude that's been the head of the country for 4 years now, who has shown some attempt at willing to go to bat for minorities. Has he failed in some ways, yeah, definitely with his broken promises with the indigenous community. That's something people should call him out for. But this brown face and black face stuff feels like some weak gotcha.
That has absolutely nothing to do with any point I've just made Jesus Fucking Christ.
It doesn't matter if they're Australian, American or Iranian. If Trudeau's blackface bothered them, you have no right to just demand they get over it. Thats a personal choice. That's all I'm saying to you, that's all I've been saying to you.
And I'm telling you most of us have. You're in the minority.
2006: Conservatives win a minority: 36.27% of the vote.
2008: Conservatives win a minority: 37.65% of the vote.
2011: Conservatives win a majority, 39.62% of the vote.
How much more than half, exactly?
Canadian Prime Ministers tend to wade into the crowd.
The Shawinagan handshake will forever be etched in my head. I was there during the flag day celebrations. Fun times...
You clearly aren't reading my posts because I've told you several times I don't care about Trudeau's thing. So tell me, what exactly I'm in the minority for?
And even if I was, so the fuck what? Only a few people care so they don't matter or it doesn't matter? Is that your point?
Because you keep bringing up his blackface thing and telling us how we don't have to let this go for some odd reason.
Tbh I don't care since this applies to everyone responding to those posts too. I've seen people who think the protests in Canada are strictly because of what's happened in the US meanwhile an innocent woman is dead because of the Toronto police, at best, being inept and, at worst, being complete monsters. I don't care who's a conservative or how great it is that Trudeau's taken strong actions. This should be a moment to make people aware of the issues that are being overlooked entirely by people outside of Canada who idealize it (and people within Canada who also idealize it).
You either have the worst reading comprehension out of everyone I've ever interacted with this website or you're just a brilliant troll.
A completely different poster brought up blackface. Several of you got pissed and said let it go, most of the country has. My point is, as I've said several times now, they don't have to, especially for that reason.
Pretty much every thread on Trudeau here. It's more of a question of how many posts it takes.
Not entirely relevant but I just want to point out that in Canada we prefer the idea of "coexistence" in a "cultural mosaic" instead of "assimilation" into a "melting pot". Whether that's anything more than rhetoric is up to you to decide.
The problem is that Trudeau is such a polarizing figure that everything is seen through that political lens.
On one hand Trudeau shouldn't have attended the protest because of it. People WILL invoke black face. But if he doesn't gesture a support in this, people will see that as him not supportive of the cause. It's a tough bind but I don't blame him for joining in. It gets Scheer's panties in a knot.
If he is a racist in private, you cant understand why I wouldnt give a shit about him being in the protest?
Well, let's agree to disagree then. Can't understand your particular mindset either.
Classy contribution to this thread
"Guy who wore blackface going to a BLM protest"
Is it really that hard to grasp why this discussion is happening? Really?
And Jesus, for the last time: I have never voted conservative in my entire life
I appreciate the information. I'll make sure to change my language in the future, I understand how 'assimilation' and 'melting pot' can have negative connotations.
AwesomeNot sure if the the stream is viewable from outside of Canada, but I'm glad to see the PM in support of the movement, even though it's purely symbolic at this point.
Yah that's pretty much Canadian doctrine. A collection of unqique individuals.
Maybe there was a thread about Trudeau at a soup kitchen that I missed that turned into blackface argument and people are still reeling from that, but it's not hard to see why someone would bring it up in this story.
You either appreciate the gesture or find it disingenuous. I actually appreciate the gesture, with some side eye because this story is a political cartoon that writes itself.
You either appreciate the gesture or find it disingenuous. I actually appreciate the gesture, with some side eye because this story is a political cartoon that writes itself.
What's your opinion on what happened to Regis Korchinski-Paquet?
If he's polarizing it's because people on both sides are working hard to make it that way.
Apparently never.
People are not allowed to learn and grow and make mistakes.
Honest question, have you forgiven everyone that's ever apologized that's have claimed to have grown and learn? Or does it depend on the person, the offense and the growth you've seen?
Do you see how that answer could be different for individual people?
Very true, fortunately, so far the majority of people haven't fallen in that trap.
Good on him.
Meanwhile in the US:
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Trump be like "MORE FENCING!!"
Meanwhile in the US:
The White House is now surrounded by nearly 2 miles of fencing and barricades
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theweek.com
Trump be like "MORE FENCING!!"
Good on him.
Meanwhile in the US:
The White House is now surrounded by nearly 2 miles of fencing and barricades
The latest Speed Read,/speed-reads,,speed-reads, breaking news, comment, reviews and features from the experts at The Week
Trump be like "MORE FENCING!!"
That Big Beautiful Wall! (tm)
How much did Mexico have to pay for that?
The blackface comments are the lowest of hanging fruits. Everyone knows about the pictures, he's apologized, he's going to have to deal with it. But if that's all everyone is going to bring up whenever Trudeau does anything, then what's your real argument? Do you really think he made a big mistake and is not racist, or is he a secret racist that doesn't deserve be there? He's the Prime Minister, showing support for a protest I think most Canadians agree with.
Yet this shit is ubiquitous online with the constant attacks using the black face pictures, yet digging into these social media accounts reveals usual loads of white ultra conservative men who have anti mulsim posts. Come on.
Yet this shit is ubiquitous online with the constant attacks using the black face pictures, yet digging into these social media accounts reveals usual loads of white ultra conservative men who have anti mulsim posts. Come on.
Dude has been calling out Canadas systemic racism and it now out showing his support in person. If you want to side eye that because he was an idiot 20 years ago then thats fine. Personally I am happy about this because it at least looks like he is listening and wants to listen to the people. Even if its just because it will get him reelected by supporting the people, it can be a mutually beneficial relationship. Sincere or not. I do believe he is sincere.
Id rather someone show me they've made an effort to be better than hold mistakes they made over their head forever.
Id rather a racist understand that they are hurting people and stop instead of them being a racist forever.
I don't forgive people who are apathetic and uncaring and don't understand what they did was wrong.
I am in the group affected by Trudeaus actions. I am brown and I am Canadian. I see he isn't the same person from 19 years ago.
You say "bring it up everytime he does anything" as if this instance isn't particularly race related?
Okay then, that's fine, but that doesn't mean someone who doesn't agree with you in this instance can't forgive anyone for anything like you originally said.
As an old-stock whiter than white bread Canadian all I can say is people, especially Black and Brown Canadians, are allowed to still be pissed of with Trudeau over his blackface shenanigans. What offends someone is a personal decision and others can't tell them "to get over it."
I'm so glad you brought that up.
I can't speak for the government right now as I don't know where their head is at (especially with Blair is public safety minister) but on the sidelines people are talking about it more here in Canada.
This twitter thread lists a bunch of interviews and articles of the subject and seems to be a viable reality.
Again... Bill Blair is Public Safety Minister, Bill Blair is Public Safety Minister
Agreed. I don't understand why some people are so bothered by that.
If it's a cheap derail about another topic sure, I understand getting annoyed by that, but the topic is literally about black lives.
You certainly are pushing the agenda they have. I don't give a shit if you don't like Trudeau but I do care when your posts seem to be only pushing one aspect.
Exactly that's why this is an issue.
Yes they can be upset but it's disengenious to say that he hasn't shown he has put effort into changing. That's what makes some of these posts super transparent.
He's polarizing simply by existing. His father is Pierre Elliot Trudeau, a figure which the Canadian West, the Conservative base, still harbours a whole lot of bad blood over.
Yah. Its really weird especially those who haven't been following Canadian politics all that closely.