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Trudeau announces ban of 1,500 models and variants of military-grade assault weapons
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who needs an AR-15 in Canada?
the US needs to be held accountable for their firearms trafficking trade
Trudeau keeps on winning
the US needs to be held accountable for their firearms trafficking trade
Trudeau keeps on winning
"But what if someone breaks into my home, how will I create a shootout now?"
Force through legislation? As a minority government that requires other parties to pass legislation????
How does this affect historic/valuable/ weapons? Would value of them go down because of them being decommissioned
That's a stretch, but if so it's still far better than debating the issue for 20 years and not making any changes.
I'd say you have that backwards. There's a sizeable cottage industry of aftermarket parts because it's popular, and it's popular because it's the civilian version of the M-16.
Decommissioned also means due to ___ law, people aren't allowed to buy/own weapons. So some antique guns you think are priceless end up being worth nothing
How about you go in a room with everyone who lost a family member in the latest shooting and you tell them that?
At least it only took one tragedy. In America we are at like 500 and we haven't even implemented the most basic gun control reforms.
Ahh Jim Jeffries routine on gun control comes into play here.
He didn't have a firearms license and had illegal guns...
This law won't stop that.
Just like banning booze didn't stop people from drinking.
Ah dang, guess we better legalize all murder too then; I mean, people are just gonna do it anyway, right? /s
As a Canadian, I think this ban is a very good decision
Yep.
I also have loved the argument of "Well it's for defense if someone breaks in. As a law abiding gun owner who follows safe gun practices I should be allowed". I always then think...safe gun practices mean guns are locked up, unloaded. So if you are following that and someone kicks in your door. Are you really going to have the time anyways to get your gun, load it and defend yourself? So either you dont have a sense of time or you aren't following safe gun practices.
It reduces the likelihood of possessing it. If the guns are banned in Canada you can't steal it or buy it illegally from a Canadian, and they are much harder to get illegally from elsewhere because they are flagged as not allowed in the country.
You'd probably go to jail in Canada if you shot an intruder in your home, Canada does not have stand your ground/castle laws.
The M305 is a Chinese knockoff of the M14 which is now prohibited, so I would assume they aren't dumb enough to leave it off the list.
Half of my guns are now prohibited, gonna get rid of all of them and and tear up my licenses. hopefully the buy back program gives me back some money I've spent over the years.
Edit: I just realized that we can grandfather stuff in, so I will be keeping my stuff for the foreseeable future.
Anyway there needs to be a massive crackdown on illegal guns as well or else this won't do all that much.
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I can't roll my eyes hard enough
We already have laws in place. We can't buy absurd guns like they can in the states. We can't walk around like lunatics at Applebee's.
The guns that were legal that they are banning are no more deadly than the ones we can still own. This is nothing but theater.
So what's the solution? Drinking is a pretty widely accepted vice. Shooting guns, not so much so.
A large amount of gun ownership is due to the 'THE POCS WILL MURDER YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE' marketing plan so there's that.
Gotta start somewhere to make it seem less socially acceptable to roll around with an AK,
Yes and no. The black powder stuff is usually kept in glass cases while replicas are fired at the range, but no one's starting a massacre with a musket anyway.
But something like a WW1 Mosin rifle would be over 100 years old and in all likelihood still in working condition. You may wonder why some C&R collector would take one to the range after waxing effusive about it being a piece of history, but there are only two reasons to seriously consider: One, military rifles tend to be ridiculously durable. Two. . . Russia made over 30 million of them. Some of them are still in service.
At least in the U.S., C&R is basically a loophole to own working firearms based on "historical" value. Sometimes it's legitimate -- if you own your great-paw-paw's M1911 I'm not inclined to take that from you -- but often times the historical value is questionable. Some mass-produced Eastern European models that are less than 50 years old got categorized as C&R because their country of origin technically doesn't exist anymore, but is anyone seriously making the case that the world would suffer from the extinction of some obscure 9mm handgun?
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Except as was shown in this thread, you can easily turn one of those guns into a previously banned gun by fucking 3d printing a larger clip. You know shit that people do.
There is zero good argument to owning one of those guns other than "I like guns". Home security? Bullshit excuse. Personal protection? Owning a gun INCREASES your chances of being shot by a gun by a lot. Hunting? There are tons of guns they didn't ban that you can still easily hunt with. "My rights!" Not in Canada pal.
Aren't bolt-action mosins no different than a random hunting rifle?
I'm going to quote someone's comment on Reddit about this because I'm lazy and I don't want to reword the same argument over and over.
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I think the person you're most likely to shoot with that gun is yourself.
Yes. But also, someone breaks into your house with a gun. They aren't there to kill you, the gun is there to make sure you don't try and stop them from taking your stuff. You pull a gun, they will shoot you as their life is at risk. Owning a gun doesn't protect you, just makes it far more likely that someone's going to die
Canadian gun laws are so arbitrary. I always love seeing the shocked reactions when people actually learn what you can legally own here.
This won't do much to prevent a similar event from happening in the future, but it will make people "feel" better and make the government look like its doing something. As far as I know the NS shooter didn't have a firearms license and had stockpiled illegal firearms with illegal high-cap magazines. Any future shooter will just hit the black market and do the same thing.
Banning a subset of guns based on "how they look" is incredibly dumb when magazine size (an already regulated thing) is the main factor that determines killing power. A blanket ban on all magazine-fed (semi-auto really) weapons would make way more sense from a functional perspective than a ban on scary looking guns. The guns that are still legal after this ban sweep are just as deadly as the ones that were banned.
I guess it's hard to defend gun ownership, but I personally think Canada's gun laws are already pretty fair.
This won't do much to prevent a similar event from happening in the future, but it will make people "feel" better and make the government look like its doing something. As far as I know the NS shooter didn't have a firearms license and had stockpiled illegal firearms with illegal high-cap magazines. Any future shooter will just hit the black market and do the same thing.
Banning a subset of guns based on "how they look" is incredibly dumb when magazine size (an already regulated thing) is the main factor that determines killing power. A blanket ban on all magazine-fed (semi-auto really) weapons would make way more sense from a functional perspective than a ban on scary looking guns. The guns that are still legal after this ban sweep are just as deadly as the ones that were banned.
I guess it's hard to defend gun ownership, but I personally think Canada's gun laws are already pretty fair.
we border the largest gun manufacturer on the planet
we are not secure enough
I call for even more tougher measures
Look at that like and reply ratio. It seems they have very little support.
Yes you can Illegally print a clip for these...
Just like I'm sure you could illegally do the same for a Ruger .22 that will never ever be made illegal.
We are? I took you to mean the availability of mods is what made the AR-15 popular. If so, I don't think so. It wasn't designed to be configurable, at least not explicitly. All the mods and such came out over the years because military fetishists have a hard-on for the M-16. The mods were innovated by businesses wanting to hop on that gravy train.
American terrorists favor the AR-15 because it's cheap, readily available, and lethal. Ban it and they'll move on to something else, of course, but that combination works well for them.
I don't know what you mean by "random" and I'm not a gun nut (even if I sound like one sometimes) so I'm not sure what's popular. I would guess that bolt-actions are far from extinct, but a significant number of hunters use AR-15s because they are veterans trained on the M-16 on Uncle Sam's dime, so it's easier than learning something else. There's nothing stopping anyone from using a Mosin for hunting, but it'd be a "big game" rifle (deer, elk, moose, bear, etc.). You don't want to go varmint hunting with it; there won't be much left of anything you hit.
You were never allowed to hunt with an Ar-15 in Canada, maybe that's where the confusion is coming from.