Total War Saga: TROY |OT| You don't need an anti-virus to download this Trojan

[Castamere]

Warhammer 1 and 2 are peak total war. Every leader and faction is interesting and fun. It's really hard to play other total wars after Warhammer 2. They're just boring. Troys not terrible tho. It does some cool things. I like the decree system.

They prob need to release Warhammer 3, and then try to reinvent the wheel with Medieval 3. Take some inspiration from Crusader Kings and Mount and Blade. Then do Total Warhammer 40k.

Or, it might time to try Total War: World War 1. Actually treating trench's as not battles, but bases that you reinforce and upgrade could work, with controllable charges. Idk.

 

[Darktalon]

Yeah, they really improved the code. Considering that it is using Warhammer 2 as a foundation and how badly this one is utilizing multi core CPUs they created a small wonder here. This game uses every single cpu thread you can throw at it.
My 3900x is screaming at 90% load on 24 threads during the benchmark.

I'm now hopefull for TW 3.

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Do you have Grass set to Extreme? This is the only thing for me that caused me to be CPU limited, and I'm only on a 6700k.

 

[Forerunner]

I wish they went a bit more heavy of the mythos side of things, I think it would have helped a bit more when it comes to variety.

 

[Isee]

Do you have Grass set to Extreme? This is the only thing for me that caused me to be CPU limited, and I'm only on a 6700k.

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Game ist maxed out, yes.

 

[Kaffeemann]

This is my first total war game and I'm loving it, that 4x + strategic battle mix.

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The battles are what makes Total War special.
Strategy games without proper battles (cough...Paradox...cough) are like cooking a delicious meal but never eating it.

 

[Hella]

I'd... be OK with ditching the real-time battles if it meant they made a richer strategic side. The combat's never been the reason I play Total War.

Like, it's kinda fun in Total Warhammer when you have dragons and legendary lords smashing hundreds of units. But when it's lines of men that die and rout the moment they're flanked I find the battles unsatisfying.

 

[Isee]

I'd... be OK with ditching the real-time battles if it meant they made a richer strategic side. The combat's never been the reason I play Total War.

Like, it's kinda fun in Total Warhammer when you have dragons and legendary lords smashing hundreds of units. But when it's lines of men that die and rout the moment they're flanked I find the battles unsatisfying.

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We could have both. Better battles and a richer strategy part.

 

[Darktalon]

Game ist maxed out, yes.

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What's your battle benchmark with grass set to extreme and grass set to ultra? Mostly curious how much my 6700k is holding me back. I get 37 and 78. Oh I also used large unit size too I think because that's the size they balance units around.

 

[Alandring]

I dropped by campaign yesterday, after 22 hours of playing. I have destroyed Phtia, Mycenia and almost Sparta, then I saw that I also need to destroy Ithaca (which has like 24 colonies) if I want to finish the campaign... No, thanks. It's the first time I dropped a Total War campaign before I finish it.

I think the late game of Troy is very boring, because you have only a limited amount of gold. So now, there isn't gold anywhere, but you need it if you want to create some buildings or hire some units... It's very annoying. This, plus the fact that you need to control almost the entire map to win the campaign.

Warhammer 1 and 2 are peak total war. Every leader and faction is interesting and fun. It's really hard to play other total wars after Warhammer 2.

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Absolutely. I have played every DLC released for Total War: Warhammer I or Total War: Warhammer II (except blood DLC) and enjoyed almost every one, especially race DLC. Then, I played Three Kingdoms (it was okay) and its first DLC (Eight Princes)... it was awful. I don't think I will play again an historical DLC. It's just the same thing over and over.

They prob need to release Warhammer 3, and then try to reinvent the wheel with Medieval 3. Take some inspiration from Crusader Kings and Mount and Blade. Then do Total Warhammer 40k.

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My dream:

1. Total War: Warhammer III.
2. Medieval III with RPG elements.
3. Another fantasy IP, like Game of Thrones, Lord of the rings, etc.

 

[stefanomusilli96]

I claimed it, but I've never played a TW game. Is this a good introduction?

 

[Iron Eddie]

I totally miseed it! I ignored the game because for some reason I thought it was an old Total War game. I think it's quite evident there will be a lot of post paid DLC.

 

[Isee]

What's your battle benchmark with grass set to extreme and grass set to ultra? Mostly curious how much my 6700k is holding me back. I get 37 and 78. Oh I also used large unit size too I think because that's the size they balance units around.

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1440p, maxed out (AA=4x, shadows extreme, grass extreme, unit size extreme) = 71 fps
1440p, (AA=4x, shadows extreme, unit size extreme, grass ultra) rest is maxed out = 86 fps
1440p, (AA=4x, shadows extreme, unit size large, grass ultra) rest is maxed out = 94 fps

 

[suedester]

Warhammer 1 and 2 are peak total war. Every leader and faction is interesting and fun. It's really hard to play other total wars after Warhammer 2. They're just boring. Troys not terrible tho. It does some cool things. I like the decree system.

They prob need to release Warhammer 3, and then try to reinvent the wheel with Medieval 3. Take some inspiration from Crusader Kings and Mount and Blade. Then do Total Warhammer 40k.

Or, it might time to try Total War: World War 1. Actually treating trench's as not battles, but bases that you reinforce and upgrade could work, with controllable charges. Idk.

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I'd love total war 40k.

 

[Isee]

I'd love total war 40k.

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You, me and the entire Total Warhammer community ;)

 

[medyej]

How do you see your influence over provinces? I have a mission to get a certain amount of influence over a provider but I have no idea how to see that information

 

[purseowner]

I redeemed but not playing yet - just wanted to praise the amazing OT title.

 

[karnage10]

I dropped by campaign yesterday, after 22 hours of playing. I have destroyed Phtia, Mycenia and almost Sparta, then I saw that I also need to destroy Ithaca (which has like 24 colonies) if I want to finish the campaign... No, thanks. It's the first time I dropped a Total War campaign before I finish it.

I think the late game of Troy is very boring, because you have only a limited amount of gold. So now, there isn't gold anywhere, but you need it if you want to create some buildings or hire some units... It's very annoying. This, plus the fact that you need to control almost the entire map to win the campaign.


Absolutely. I have played every DLC released for Total War: Warhammer I or Total War: Warhammer II (except blood DLC) and enjoyed almost every one, especially race DLC. Then, I played Three Kingdoms (it was okay) and its first DLC (Eight Princes)... it was awful. I don't think I will play again an historical DLC. It's just the same thing over and over.


My dream:

1. Total War: Warhammer III.
2. Medieval III with RPG elements.
3. Another fantasy IP, like Game of Thrones, Lord of the rings, etc.

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TBF The other 3 kingdoms DLC are far better than the eight princes.

The mandate of heaven DLC adds starts for most major LC before they became famous so you start with almsot 0 land and slowly build it up. Alongside this it ads 1 new char Liu Chong and 2 new ways to play (yellow turbans with 3 new LC and han empire with Liu Hong). Both of these cultures play every differently. yellow turbans need to consistantly win and take han lands or they dissolve to infighting. Han empire is full of corruption so you can't do shit until you basically purge 3/4 of your court however you have acess to the msot powerful army in the game! the catch? the army can only replenish at your capital so every loss you take means you need to return soon towards your capital.

I claimed it, but I've never played a TW game. Is this a good introduction?

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Yes and no. Depends on what your question means; do you mean ...

• Is this an easy total war for beginners? I'd say rome 2, shogun 2 and some races in warhammer 2 are far easier to start with.
• is this representative of what total war games are? yes; this game shows you exactly what total war is all about. The biggest difference between this title and the others is mostly budget and setting related. Other total wars have bigger maps, more chars, more factions, more animations,etc. In short if you like this total war you will love the others. If you feel this is boring after 1 or 2 campaigns then you will also enjoy the others. If you don't like the game at all then you probably won't like the others.

I redeemed but not playing yet - just wanted to praise the amazing OT title.

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thank you. There was someone who actually recomended the title but i can't find the comment and give them props for it.
i actually like it a lot.

 

[Castamere]

I'd love total war 40k.

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I think it'd be better suited for a Stellaris sequel, but I don't really know where they go after Medieval 3(which is the oblivious next big game after Warhammer 3).

BTW any of you haven't bought Stellaris do so, it's one of the best games of all time. Perfect in-between Civ and Crusader kings, in space.

 

[karnage10]

I think it'd be better suited for a Stellaris sequel, but I don't really know where they go after Medieval 3(which is the oblivious next big game after Warhammer 3).

BTW if you haven't bought Stellaris do so, it's one of the best games of all time. Perfect in-between Civ and Crusader kings, in space.

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personally i can see 5 cool settings for total war games that I which CA did:

• Medieval 3
• Empire with full globe
• WWI
• 7 warring states
• Mongols/Genghis Khan

For fantasy title I still think star wars would fit total war really good. Space battles behave like naval battles. Land battles can use powerfull generals as comanders (from sith and jedi to using AT-AT. The dichotomy between empire-rebels; confederacy-republic and whaever factions were in the new trilogy would make for good templates.
I think it would be amazing seeing Darth vader just choking a 180 model group.

 

[Mórríoghain]

How do you see your influence over provinces? I have a mission to get a certain amount of influence over a provider but I have no idea how to see that information

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Click on a settlement, hover over the "X Influence" and you can see the details.

 

[medyej]

Click on a settlement, hover over the "X Influence" and you can see the details.

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Thanks!

 

[Legio XIV Gemina]

Okay this is what I think about Troy as a long total war fan.

I love the look of the campaign map so far more than others in the series. It is still not yet feel alive.
I'm sure everybody would acknowledge the good aspects of the game like performance, art style and etc.
But the negative sides:

-I absolutely hate the resource management ! its just boring and make the game pain in the ass even later in the game ! its not about difficulty but how the game would become a village management instead of working on the country as whole !

-Diplomacy is also pain ! least I expected was Three Kingdoms. But again this game is saga that based on Warhammer 2 engine. AI is just on my nerve !!

-They really should change the how agent system work in the game !

-Battles are way too short ! this is not something to say is for the sake of the casuals ! the time is too short that you cannot do many different strategies like shogun 2 or even Rome 2. Battles really become worst than before ! and AI just rely on range units since Rome 2. However, those time were quite opposite and never in the history an army would consist of half it from archers ! Battles are inferior in every single way compare to Rome 2 in historic games !

-This mixture of myth and history is the worst thing they could have done ! let us enjoy Warhammer and historic games in their own way. we don't need them to mix !

Overall for a saga game, Troy is a huge step up from Thrones of Britannia !
But its the time to change the formula again. the old formula was perfected in Rome 1 and Medieval 2, then changed in Empire and got perfected in Shogun 2. The new formula started with Rome 2 and the peak is Warhammer 2 and it would certainly get perfected with W3 (I just pretend that something like recruitment in Three Kingdoms does not exist). But after that, Medieval 3 (We guess its happening) needs a major change and overhaul to the series formula. Even new techs by that time would improve a lot and SSDs would become norm. So they have to change it drastically, otherwise communuty would become bored with the same game every year with minor changes.

 

[nacimento]

I am really enjoying the game, playing as Sarpedon. It looks and plays great.

I am just having an issue with my heroic missions, since I am supposed to use Sarpedon's influence trade ability to sabotage Knossos' trade agreements, but they never trade with anyone. Now I',m stuck with the quest chain, lol. Overall it seems that the AI factions don't trade much among themselves.

 

[Hella]

If AIs trade deals between themselves are anything like their offers to the player, I don't see it happening much.

It's like, "spend 7k food for a non aggression pact!". And it's like, "dude you have two provinces, are embroiled in multiple wars when you have no armies, and you offered this same deal two turns ago..."

 

[Elfgore]

Hm, not sure how I feel about there being five different resources to manage now. I get they're going for a realism thing, but it's kinda tedious to keep track of all of them at once. Kinda bummed to see sieges are still dull as hell too.

The battles are what makes Total War special.
Strategy games without proper battles (cough...Paradox...cough) are like cooking a delicious meal but never eating it.

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Eh, They make up for it with me with how in-depth everything else is.

 

[Kaffeemann]

I'm enjoying Troy a lot more than I thought. It needs a bunch of bug fixes and balance improvements but is a great Total War regardless.
Looking forward to the Amazons DLC!

 

[BlueStarEXSF]

personally i can see 5 cool settings for total war games that I which CA did:

• Medieval 3
• Empire with full globe
• WWI
• 7 warring states
• Mongols/Genghis Khan

For fantasy title I still think star wars would fit total war really good. Space battles behave like naval battles. Land battles can use powerfull generals as comanders (from sith and jedi to using AT-AT. The dichotomy between empire-rebels; confederacy-republic and whaever factions were in the new trilogy would make for good templates.
I think it would be amazing seeing Darth vader just choking a 180 model group.

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Star Wars Empire at War is kinda this. The mod community for that game is awesome and there's many eras to choose from.

 

[karnage10]

Star Wars Empire at War is kinda this. The mod community for that game is awesome and there's many eras to choose from.

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it kinda is but empire at war has a very small scale and is full RTS instead of hybrid. IMO Total war could do much more and be closer to the hollywood movies than at empire at war is. I think CA could make jedi vs sith battles extremely engaging.
I do think that this Franchise would be really really easy to merge with total war style battles.

 

[SofNascimento]

personally i can see 5 cool settings for total war games that I which CA did:

• Medieval 3
• Empire with full globe
• WWI
• 7 warring states
• Mongols/Genghis Khan

For fantasy title I still think star wars would fit total war really good. Space battles behave like naval battles. Land battles can use powerfull generals as comanders (from sith and jedi to using AT-AT. The dichotomy between empire-rebels; confederacy-republic and whaever factions were in the new trilogy would make for good templates.
I think it would be amazing seeing Darth vader just choking a 180 model group.

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What they should do next in release a Medieval Eurasia game in the same model as Warhammer. Say, one game covers Europe. North Africa and the Near East, Think Rome 2. Then you have Mongols + China, and then India. Or some other configuration.

 

[karnage10]

What they should do next in release a Medieval Eurasia game in the same model as Warhammer. Say, one game covers Europe. North Africa and the Near East, Think Rome 2. Then you have Mongols + China, and then India. Or some other configuration.

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while i'd be up for a massive total war title that had the entire globe in it, specially at scale instead of the usual map.

 

[BlueStarEXSF]

it kinda is but empire at war has a very small scale and is full RTS instead of hybrid. IMO Total war could do much more and be closer to the hollywood movies than at empire at war is. I think CA could make jedi vs sith battles extremely engaging.
I do think that this Franchise would be really really easy to merge with total war style battles.

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I personally think Empire at War with mods is pretty awesome. With that said, a star wars total war would be great as you say and I'd be there day one for it.

 

[Lightjolly]

I actually enjoy the multiple resource management, but maybe thats because I come from a very heavy 4x background, sometimes I wish there was more empire building options as it feels a bit shallow. But nonetheless, game is good fun, though agents are annoying. The map designs are real good, lots of nice chokepoints to fight on

 

[Uhtred]

Even new techs by that time would improve a lot and SSDs would become norm. So they have to change it drastically, otherwise communuty would become bored with the same game every year with minor changes.

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Yeah I think the technical team really needs to start pushing DX12 to the forefront. Take full advantage of it in the engine. The game is made for some of the advances in the newer versions of the API. They should be able to reduce CPU bottlenecks with it over DX11. Things like variable rate shaders, improved culling with mesh shaders, etc should also help optimize GPu performance.

And virtually all battles take place outdoors, imagine new engine supporting ray tracing for the sun's light. Toss in DLSS and we can quite possibly have a major leap in the battle maps in terms of graphics, and the size of battles.

 

[PeskyToaster]

The battles are what makes Total War special.
Strategy games without proper battles (cough...Paradox...cough) are like cooking a delicious meal but never eating it.

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Yup. I don't want to build a giant, awesome army and not see it take the field.

 

[Kaffeemann]

Sieges are probably the worst they've ever been though.
Same wall focused garbage as in Warhammer except that you don't have siege towers, flying units or magic to make it less of a slog.

 

[PeskyToaster]

Playing as Hector, Menelaus and Agamemnon both tried to invade my holdings on Lesbos. Used my agents to keep them in place and wiped them both. One of them had an army with a ton of slingers. My one group of horseman had a lot of work to do lol. Now i have a defense army and I can send Hector off on some quests. Pretty fun game and there's some interesting faction mechanics to juggle. Paris beat me to the first milestone but I've been gaining some ground fighting these Spartans.

 

[Mórríoghain]

Finally got a Total War victory. I think I am done with the game until the Amazons dlc.

 

[Deleted member 62221]

I unistalled this game after a couple of days, coming from Warhammer this game felt boring, dull. No interesting units or anything special.
Sieges are weak too in Warhammer but here they felt like a chore.
Too much focus in infantry and factions too similar made battles dull and conquering felt like a waste of time.

 

[Lightjolly]

I enjoy the game, combat is a lot of fun, sieges are cool, some units are cool, looks lovely and very well optimized but I will admit Ive been playing a bit less of it, still havent finished my 1st run with agamemmon .

I feel id rather just play a real 4x game with some more empire management

 

[AquaRegia]

For a game with so many downloads, no one seems to be talking about this game. Forums are dead for this one, and I don't have the time for long YouTube let's play videos, so I'm hoping an experienced TW player can offer ideas.

Playing as Odysseus, I know that the Ambusher -> Exemplary -> Guerrilla chain is very powerful, but it will take time (and a lot of gold) to make an army with mostly top tier units. Which other unit or units should I focus on while trying to rush my way up the building tree? I've thought about having some tough defensive units for the ambushers to regroup behind as needed, but Odysseus doesn't exactly excel in that unit type.

 

[Lightjolly]

Mistake wrong thread

 

[AcademicSaucer]

For a game with so many downloads, no one seems to be talking about this game. Forums are dead for this one, and I don't have the time for long YouTube let's play videos, so I'm hoping an experienced TW player can offer ideas.

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Coming from warhammer the unit variety in this one is boring, the Amazon DLC can't release soon enough

 

[Kaffeemann]

For a game with so many downloads, no one seems to be talking about this game. Forums are dead for this one, and I don't have the time for long YouTube let's play videos, so I'm hoping an experienced TW player can offer ideas.

Playing as Odysseus, I know that the Ambusher -> Exemplary -> Guerrilla chain is very powerful, but it will take time (and a lot of gold) to make an army with mostly top tier units. Which other unit or units should I focus on while trying to rush my way up the building tree? I've thought about having some tough defensive units for the ambushers to regroup behind as needed, but Odysseus doesn't exactly excel in that unit type.

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The tier 4 armored spearmen you get from the harbor are probably his toughest units. But if you can afford it then the tier 5 Warriors of Ithaca are the way to go because they are just so damn versatile. Fast, great in melee, strong missile attack.

Troy needs quite a bit more polish. The amount of bugs and repetition kinda got to me and I stopped playing for now.

 

[Kaffeemann]

The first big patch is out:

A Total War Saga: TROY Patch 1.1.0 - Total War

Languages English Simplified Chinese English The 1.1.0 update is the first major update for A Total War Saga: TROY, and fixes a number of issues raised by the community. These include technical and gameplay related stabilizations, tweaks, improvements, and fixes to many areas of the game, such...

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[SofNascimento]

Has the amazons DLC released yet? Did I miss it?

 

[Kaffeemann]

Has the amazons DLC released yet? Did I miss it?

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It's not out yet. Probably in a week or two.

 

[AquaRegia]

I'll miss my free money in the late game when you're just trying to grind to the inevitable.

 

[Hella]

Completely fell off Troy. I think I'll try out the Amazons and then be done with it.

I just can't get into it when I could be playing Total Warhammer II instead.

 

[CampFreddie]

I've played a bit as Odysseus. It's pretty hard, especially at first. Not being able to build properly with inland settlements is a harsh penalty.
The Illiad story objectives are also pretty nuts. You get sent all over the map. Like you start in the far west and get sent to the far north east before you're even half-way though.
So you either need to wait until you've basically conquered everything and run the story objectives in the mopping-up phase - or you need to give Odyseus a full stack and have him wander around while another army handles the regular empire building. The latter is more fun, but army upkeep is insane. The food penalty from multiple armies is huge. You'll be limited to 2 armies for a long time.

The best tactics are to exploit the gods. Apollo is the priority because the Seer lets you may out one god every 10 turns. Zeus is the next step. I didn't notice at first, but the diplomacy boost from his maxed out prayer is insane. The +20 diplomacy points means you can easily get a massive alliance together. It doesn't work on pure-trade exchanges, but it does work if you trade for a non-aggression pact or whatever. It's the only way you'll stay positive on food with more than a couple of armies.
I actually love it when my allies betray me, or some fool cancels a deal. Zeus will usually let me re-make the deal next turn and get them to pay me for it!
The game changes character completely once you start to build a big alliance to take out Troy. Eventually you start being able to confederate anyone you like, though the army upkeep means you're better off with the other Greek nations as allies to provide a buffer against Troy.

My problem now is that Hector is my nemesis and Troy pumps out stacks of insanely powerful troops. Hector's Chosen are ridiculous, with about 90 attack and defence, unbreakable and Hector's main army has 5 or 6 of them. They're a full-size ~70 man unit too, not some 12-man unit like the giants. I have to fall back and send in agents to poison the wells. Of course, agents can't attack sea-borne enemies, and most of the map is sea and all Odysseus's settlements are coastal - so it means sacrificing a city.
It gets pretty crazy, but it feels much more like the Odysseus should be, where everyone is overpowered and you win my manipulating the enemy.

And this is on Normal difficulty (I typically play on hard but nope'd out of that when I ended up at war with everyone near me within a few turns).

This is not a game for TW newbies. Warhammer or Shogun 2 are still the best for that. I love Three Kingdoms too, though it's a bit more complex (and the unit balance is a bit off).

 

[AquaRegia]

I'm doing much better in my second game as Sarpedon than with Odysseus. Post-patch, so the winged chariots aren't really worth getting, just focusing on a large tanky front with a bunch of javelins. Finally got two regions built up so I can mix in the upgraded harpies and Khopesh(?) fighters. Expansion is more natural and you can get lots of barter from "joining" the wars up north (the troops are in the mail, promise).

Currently starting to fight Sparta, as they've drifted east through the islands. Sadly they've moved in while I was one island away from Anax of Rhodes. First Total War game, and I know I'm terrible (I take more losses on easy than youtubers on legendary), but I'm having fun.