What is with people listing minecraft dungeons as a worst game? Third time i have seen it and makes no sense
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Top Ten Sh*ttiest Games Of 2020 (The Jimquisition)
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I don't understand how it's any less RPG than something like Mass Effect. Sounds like you might have just played in the prologue which is a bit linear?
Edit - nvm I remembered some of your posts saying you beat the game. I still don't see it being less of an RPG than Mass Effect though
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They explain it in their video. It being really stripped down "for the kids" is shitty when Minecraft is already a deep and complex thing that kids play. It has nothing to do with Jim not liking that they made a Minecraft based Diablo clone and everything to do with the developers not trusting kids to be smart enough to handle a Minecraft based Diablo clone that more closely approximates the Diablo experience.
For all intents and purposes, games like Disney Infinity, Skylanders, and FATE (the old diablo clones, not the anime stuff) were/are dungeon crawlers aimed at kids and did fine despite not being as simplified.
I really don't get it either. It was enjoyable. It had next to no issues. It wasn't some game thrown together at the last minute. It was kind of shallow, but to make a top 10 list of worst games of the year when so much other garbage exists? No way.
I can't speak to Skylanders, but as someone who owned and got the full gamerscore on Disney Infinity 2.0 and 3.0, that also owns Diablo 3, yeah they're nothing like Diablo.
The true irony is, Minecraft Dungeons is soooooo much more difficult than Diablo 3.
Jim was complaining it was *Duke Amiel voice* not very deep and complex.
The sweet irony :)
I love the game but all the anticonsumer behavior of CDPR alone makes it a contender. Its strangely a GOTY and Worst Game of the Year Contender for me at the same time.
I think its a next gen game that CDPR tried to cram into the last gen systems for sales and that is backfiring on them.
Torchlight series is totally fine for kids as well.
And there is stuff like this on Steam:
It gets exploration right. There's a lot to find, myriad nooks and crannies to discover and a greater emphasis on platforming lends itself well to exploring the hellish space station.
Even if it was a basic cut and paste soulslike but with the trappings of Event Horizon (which is has in spades), it,'d still be worth the time.in my book, but there are a few original and interesting ideas sprinkled in there as well (like the Black Hole system).
I was playing both Mortal Shell and Hellpoint simultaneously. I preferred Mortal Shell overall, and held off finishing Hellscape once they announced an as yet unreleased next gen patch. It's definitely worth a look.
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They aren't like diablo, but they have dungeon crawler elements to them (at least depending on the specific module) and are still complex games.
It is, and I think the other thing is that it probably would be less difficult if it trusted its target audience more to be able to handle more things.
Those are fair points. I was thinking more of someone who acknowledges that a game is a 6/10 and still plays it. To me, that is someone selling themselves short. I'm not going to say someone who is enjoying something to the fullest are selling themselves short. I wasn't trying to be condescending.
Also, I think Sterling's use of the word "shitty" goes beyond the review scores of a game. If his list was "lowest scored games" it would have been 10 shovel ware titles. His "rubric" seems to be a culmination of different metrics that he concocted in his own head (notable games, publisher reputation and actions, etc.).
Marvel's Avengers was definitely buggy when it first came out and still lacks content for a GaaS type game, but Jim's continued harping on the game's monetization is not close to being bad at all.
As someone already mentioned, the "Battle Pass" style Character Passes you get are free for all 6 launch characters, and you can use the credits you earn from doing those to buy the new DLC character's Passes. There's cosmetics you can buy (as with almost all games these days), but you earn a ton of those from playing the game, so it's genuinely not an issue.
The game definitely shouldn't have launched in the state it was in (better than Cyberpunk at least), but the fact that the devs have continued working on the game fixing bugs since launch and its already gotten a great new character with a decent little ~5 hour campaign is pretty great honestly. Plus the game was already discounted to $30 recently, which I'd say is perfect for the game, even if the endgame leaves a lot to be desired.
As someone already mentioned, the "Battle Pass" style Character Passes you get are free for all 6 launch characters, and you can use the credits you earn from doing those to buy the new DLC character's Passes. There's cosmetics you can buy (as with almost all games these days), but you earn a ton of those from playing the game, so it's genuinely not an issue.
The game definitely shouldn't have launched in the state it was in (better than Cyberpunk at least), but the fact that the devs have continued working on the game fixing bugs since launch and its already gotten a great new character with a decent little ~5 hour campaign is pretty great honestly. Plus the game was already discounted to $30 recently, which I'd say is perfect for the game, even if the endgame leaves a lot to be desired.
Oh yeah, can't believe forgot about those. Still, it's really a small list of games, the rest just come and go.
I played CP2077 for 14 hours on series X before requesting a refund and I'd happily call that game bad. The gameplay systems are either half baked or just plain terrible and the AI is laughable. When you add in the bugs (of which I didn't have many so they weren't even a big issue for me, even though they are for the game in general) and transphobia, that game belongs on this list
Minecraft is big with kids.
There's really no sign of Minecraft Dungeons majorly catching on. It sold okay for what it was, but it's not like you really hear that much about it.
I get why 2077 is on the list due to complete shit show that is the base console versions plus all the other crap surrounding CDPR, but I do think its a solid game on the other platforms despite the bugs. It doesn't do anything special as an rpg, and could even be argued its more of a visual novel with some Deux Ex lite gameplay systems mixed with some also ran Borderlands style looter shooting, but the characters and story are solid.
MC Dungeons is a strange callout, it isn't the deepest dungeon crawler but its super polished and feels good to play especially coop.
MC Dungeons is a strange callout, it isn't the deepest dungeon crawler but its super polished and feels good to play especially coop.
That was the point. Only handful of games are popular with kids. The rest come and go. It doesn't mean the game is bad.
Well, not that he reviews games anymore, but when he did, it wasn't uncommon for Jim to lash out with some truly baffling scores, like the time he gave Hellblade a 1/10 and then went back and rescored it because of how petulant the original take was. And this is a guy that got a lot of undeserved shit for his 7/10 BotW review.
I am curious about the Avengers now that it is $15 on Gamefly. I want to play as Kamala, but I don't want anything locked behind the need for a team.
I'm glad Jim spent a few minutes reviewing the black hole that is Ubisoft in addition to Elite Squad. It blows me away how much awful shit came out about Ubisoft this year and people just dutifully bought the new Assassin's Creed anyway.
Didn't really expect the discussion here to hinge on Minecraft Dungeons, but I didn't play the game myself. I will say that putting out a (by all accounts) stripped down dungeon crawler for an audience that's accustomed to complex, open-ended gameplay seems like an odd choice to me and is probably why I didn't bother with it.
Didn't really expect the discussion here to hinge on Minecraft Dungeons, but I didn't play the game myself. I will say that putting out a (by all accounts) stripped down dungeon crawler for an audience that's accustomed to complex, open-ended gameplay seems like an odd choice to me and is probably why I didn't bother with it.
The campaign is single-player only. Almost the entire game can be played solo. There is only one daily mission type that requires matchmaking (and there is even a single player version of that).
Not surprised that his taste is as bad as his videos. Good way to keep people talking about you and/or your content I guess.
Thank you. I've been obsessed with achievements, but I hate playing with people.
I kinda agree with this.
It sucks those guys (CDPR) are assholes, but I think Cyberpunk is amazing. And as I look at my stack of new games, can't say a lot of those are better, story and gameplay wise.
Shittiest people of the year, cool. Shittiest game? Nowhere near..
That's absolutely not true. The game has been in development well before people knew about the PS5 or Xbox Series.
It is obvious what happened to the game. CDPR bit off more than their development teams could handle, feature creeped the fuck out of everything, tried to grind their development teams into the ground to get the game out in the same vein as Rockstar but are still the same developers who have put out buggy releases every single time. So they tried to put it out during the holiday period to get cash flow rolling and hoped their reputation would give them enough grace time to fix everything major. Obviously that didn't happen.
It isn't just the base consoles that are compromised, a lot of the systems on next gen and PC are super underbaked or non-existent.
Yea, this is probably what exactly happened.
To the latter, while I still like the game a lot and it has been better playing on PS5, I have to agree with that as well. The money glitches and the crashes plague the game making the economy non-existent (but that's on whoever partakes).
Great game otherwise.
From the first time I saw the game in that 2018 gameplay demo they put out (that was pulled from the private E3 demo they gave journalists that year), I was immediately concerned about how they possibly were going to scale down what I saw in that video to a PS4 or Xbox One - without either savagely cutting back on what made it incredible, or having the game run like absolute garbage. Even back then, I felt like it should have been next-gen/PC only.
And sure enough, it runs like garbage, and the IQ takes a massive hit.
I don't think Minecraft Dungeons deserves to be on the list by a long shot, but IMO, the main point of creating a game like Dungeons is a bit flawed. Part of what brought a lot of appeal to Minecraft was a. a simplistic world with zero plot elements and b. a focus on both combat and creation together being equal. Dungeons don't quite fit in with the paradigm of what made Minecraft so special, and while it might be an excellent dungeon crawler, it is not a good Minecraft game. (IMO they should have made a new IP rather than tie it into Minecraft)
His main point, which was that it has very little complexity is somewhat inaccurate, but it reflects someone that's confused on what kind of game Minecraft Dungeons was supposed to be, either a dungeon crawler or a Minecraft game (one of which is known for its accessibility and ease of play and the other is known for its complexity). I do not think it should be held in the same regard as something like Elite Squad or CP2077 at all, but it is a flawed product in terms of its conceptual idea.
His main point, which was that it has very little complexity is somewhat inaccurate, but it reflects someone that's confused on what kind of game Minecraft Dungeons was supposed to be, either a dungeon crawler or a Minecraft game (one of which is known for its accessibility and ease of play and the other is known for its complexity). I do not think it should be held in the same regard as something like Elite Squad or CP2077 at all, but it is a flawed product in terms of its conceptual idea.
sometimes they do, but mostly not, at least since this year or the year before it
DP2 is by far one of my biggest disappointments with not only a game but with a creator in years. Like Jim I really enjoyed DP1 even though I recognize it has A LOT of issues in regards to representation, but after actually making a game with good representation, a game where he actually consulted and listened to trans folks in The Missing he goes and makes completely transphobic garbage again in DP2.
Just gross all around.
Just gross all around.
I guess I mean more in the way that the Cyberpunk IP is a tabletop RPG, but even without that context, it is such a watered down RPG-LITE. There are no classes. Your life path is inconsequential outside of the introduction. Few decisions actually impact the story or have any influence on the game at all, just the illusion of choice. The Mass Effect series is similar in some ways, but there is a much larger focus on your choices (outside of ME3s ending). You can play the same major story chapter in Cyberpunk with different dialogue options, and get a different line in response with very little ripple effect in the story. This is an RPG in the most shallow sense, it has experience, stats, and a perk tree. It should have been much more than that.
I suspect there wouldn't be that many folks 'worked up' if this was a list titled 'games I found disappointing'.
Making a 'shittiest games of 2020' list and inserting a game that is decidedly not shitty will always bring commentary.
But I'm also surprised there are so many comments in this thread complaining about complainers. Sterling has the right to share his opinions on any game, and forum members have the right to voice their opinions about his opinions as long as forum rules aren't violated :)
Me and my son played Dungeons through to completion, and started the next difficulty level and could barely scratch anything. It was weird, the normal was brain dead easy and the next step was impossible. The loot was boring, and in a Diablo game, what's the point if that's the case? We fell off quick.
Its so weird people got so defensive over the game just cause Jim doesn't like it, seems like a good amount of them didn't even watch the video either as Jim criticism is fair.
I don't get the hate either. People complain about it being gaas and not enough focus on sp, but in reality it's the other way around. They almost forgot about the gaas elements.
Yeah, that was largely my son's experience. It's not a bad game per se, just really, really dull. For a game aimed at kids (and their attention spans) that's probably a worse crime than being bad.
I had no idea what was happening with DP 2 and Swery. That is really disappointing and I hoped that Swery was better than that.
Also, these are Jim's opinions. You are free to disagree with them but calling them a baby or telling them that they're wrong isn't a valid form of criticism.
Also, these are Jim's opinions. You are free to disagree with them but calling them a baby or telling them that they're wrong isn't a valid form of criticism.
He had a hiddenHellpoint review in one of his other reviews. He states that he was slapping it on the end so he didn't have to make a dedicated review forHellpoint because he hates it. I wish I could remember which video that was...
Feeding the toxic negativity in gaming by focussing on how games have under delivered during a pandemic is valid criticism imo.
It's their worst of 2020 list though. It is not "the most objectively worst game of 2020", it's "their worst game of 2020."
Just a reminder that Jim goes by they/them pronouns.