Tom Henderson claims he has seen a few trailers that he was expecting to see at the PlayStation Showcase which did not appear there

[Confused Cheeseburger]

This showcase doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. It hit some bad notes, but there were games and the PS5 is a juggernaut. It's really bubbles like era that are way too fixated on it. It's obvious they have games coming but making a make good showcase is just not what a company would do.

 

[Yaqza]

Didn't they say min 2 / 3 years before releasing their games on PC?

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Possible. But from what i recall FW was one of the games from Nvidia leak, right? Well, as well as other PS games, including Demon's Souls, so who knows. We should get confirmation soon enough.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

It would be an odd strategy to put out an intentionally crappy showcase (from a first-party perspective) with the idea of doing another one later in the year. I would think having one big event that gets everyone talking would be the better strategy, especially when it's their first big show in nearly 2 years.

 

[vivftp]

They can just do a SoP or announce it in a blog post.

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They could. Then again they had hardware announcements in this Showcase and we know more are rumored with the PS5 revision and new headset. There are still very big games we know are getting reveals this year like TLOU MP. Maybe they show up at SGF, but I'm sticking to the second Showcase theory.

 

[gimp]

This showcase doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. It hit some bad notes, but there were games and the PS5 is a juggernaut. It's really bubbles like era that are way too fixated on it. It's obvious they have games coming but making a make good showcase is just not what a company would do.

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You say Era is a bubble, and it can be, but the general consensus over the entire Internet including places like Twitter and Reddit is one of immense dissapointment. There's a reason why Jim popped up to make that defensive statement yesterday

 

[ZeroX]

I always assumed FFVIIR-2 stuff is being held back until after XVI, it's apparently still on track for 2023

PC Ports I understand not showing it's specifically a PS hardware event

 

[PLASTICA-MAN]

I wonder games he saw.

 

[Chibs]

This has happened numerous times in the past, so I believe it.
These showings tend to get switched around pretty last minute.

Eh, it's fine, I'm sure more good stuff will pop up during SGF.

 

[Godot25]

So let me get this straight
They have first-party trailers ready...and instead of TLOU Factions/Death Stranding 2 (for example), they showed CGI trailer for Fairgames that did not even got release year? And CGI trailer for Marathon that did not get release year? And CGI trailer for Concord that at least got release year for 2024?

I'm skeptical tbh.

 

[Jammerz]

Would be nice if the PC port was GT7 since that was in the Nvidia leak.

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Will be interesting if they did GT7.

There are some folks who primarily play racing games and who only get a PS5 for GT7 as most racing games(especially more sim leaning) are preferred on PC. So you could end up losing some folks completely.

There are streamers who play this every day and probably are free advertisement to some extent for people to get a PS5.

 

[Primal Sage]

I think we watched two completely different 1h+ showcases.

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I think he means first party. All the new first party announcements were CGI trailers that gave us no idea of the gameplay. Only first party gameplay was Spiderman 2.

 

[crimilde]

I think he means first party. All the new first party announcements were CGI trailers that gave us no idea of the gameplay. Only first party gameplay was Spiderman 2.

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Didn't Helldivers 2 have gameplay?

 

[Ogni-XR21]

They can redeem themselves by having a 20-25 min showcasing purely focusing on first party content but one things for sure, this showcase has completely ruined any expectations I have for future events. I don't think I'll ever be hyped again, will be super cautious.

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This is the biggest blunder imho. If there was one thing you could rely on it was that a Sony showcase delivers in some way or another. They tarnished that. These used to be "must watch" streams, but this one honestly changed that for me.

 

[Qvoth]

the dream lives on

 

[Voodoopeople]

To be fair, this is totally normal. I imagine that Sony, MS AND Nintendo all have trailers that get pulled at the last minute. This shouldn't surprise anybody.

 

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The Snitch is the guy who views stuff set to private in the YouTube backend. He hasn't seen anything, and neither has Tom H.

I am enjoying the "second showcase" conspiracy that PS fans are now desperately running with. Very funny

 

[Primal Sage]

Didn't Helldivers 2 have gameplay?

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Is Arrowhead Games owned by Sony?

 

[Strings]

So let me get this straight
They have first-party trailers ready...and instead of TLOU Factions/Death Stranding 2 (for example), they showed CGI trailer for Fairgames that did not even got release year? And CGI trailer for Marathon that did not get release year? And CGI trailer for Concord that at least got release year for 2024?

I'm skeptical tbh.

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The thing is, Snitch is 99.9% seeing things uploaded to youtube as an employee, so if he says he saw stuff (and is sourcing it for Henderson)... Then it exists.

 

[Pelota]

Team Second Showcase 2023 assemble!

A second Showcase around August or September is what I'm going with.

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I'm not sure about that one. In August you got Bungie Showcase. Then you'll have a State of Play focused around Spider-Man that will release in September

My guess is October or November.

 

[Modest_Modsoul]

🙄🤷‍♂️

Beat around the bush.

Just say what are those games & be done with it.

 

[Bishop89]

There are like a few shows later on the year, tgs, Keighleys. No need to blow their load in just one showing

 

[Glio]

It's obvious they have games coming but making a make good showcase is just not what a company would do.

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...Why not?

 

[vivftp]

Is Arrowhead Games owned by Sony?

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It's a first party game made by a third party studio. Sony owns the IP

 

[crimilde]

Is Arrowhead Games owned by Sony?

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It's a Sony IP isn't it? What do you count that as then?

 

[St. Elmo's Fire]

It was just a bizarre showcase. We know they've got plenty more to show so where was it? Surely it's a cardinal sin of Showcases to leave the audience wanting more?

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Sony's showcase was terrible.
But I guess they have Kojima's Death Stranding and a PC port for Ghost of Tsushima or Demon's Souls for Geoff's Summer Game Fest.

 

[Pelota]

By the way, i'm sure TLOU Factions and DS2 will be shown at SGF.

 

[Godot25]

The thing is, Snitch is 99.9% seeing things through the youtube backend, so if he says he saw stuff (and is sourcing it for Henderson)... Then it exists.

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But it does not make any sense at all.
If trailers were already made, what was the issue of including them in showcase? It's not like Sony was time constrained and they had to cut stuff out from showcase. If they wanted, they could make Showcase 1,5 hours long no problem.

Like. I get for example keeping PC port of your old exclusive to Geoff for example. But your own new first-party stuff? Come on.
Now we even have conspiracy theories, that Sony kept first-party games from showcase to "wait for Microsoft's showcase in June." What?

 

[Xenosaga]

I always assumed FFVIIR-2 stuff is being held back until after XVI, it's apparently still on track for 2023

PC Ports I understand not showing it's specifically a PS hardware event

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Is this from some inside source/rumor or just assuming based on no delay announcement?

 

[Primal Sage]

It's a first party game made by a third party studio. Sony owns the IP

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Ah, did not know that. Thanks for clarifying.

So only one new first party game showed gameplay. Still, too little.

 

[Confused Cheeseburger]

...Why not?

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Do you think a dude as arrogant as Jim, with a console doing numbers like the PS5 really cares about doing a make good showcase? Especially one that wasn't even bad and has people talking about their tentpole game for the fall?

 

[Voodoopeople]

They can redeem themselves by having a 20-25 min showcasing purely focusing on first party content but one things for sure, this showcase has completely ruined any expectations I have for future events. I don't think I'll ever be hyped again, will be super cautious.

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I think having "hype" for these events is not helpful at the best of times, TBF. People keep talking about an E3 event that was 7 years ago, as if it was a normal event for Sony. They have not had a showcase for 2 years before this week and their E3 track record leading up to them just giving up entirely was strange, to say the least. That show with the flutes etc.

Even with the State of Plays, I see people massively hyping them up, basically listing everything they know about 1st party studios and then get disappointed when the games they are making, that take 5/6 years to build, don't turn up.

 

[LV-0504]

I was a bit disappointed too but people are placing way too much importance on that showcase.

I always assumed FFVIIR-2 stuff is being held back until after XVI, it's apparently still on track for 2023

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I reckon they start ramping up later this year for a February/March release next year.

 

[vestan]

I believe this purely because he wasn't up there with all the other """"""""""""insiders"""""""""""" hyping up this showcase

 

[gimp]

I hope Xbox forces them into another showcase.

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"Quick, magically conjure up another hours worth of AAA first party gameplay!! We need another showcase"

This second showcase theory is nonsense and copium. Accept that was it for another 1-2 years and move on

 

[MeltedDreams]

Nope, i don't believe insiders anymore.

Keighley likely will show DS2 trailer and announcements of next Sony PC ports. That's it. Everyone can guess that without being ''insider''.

 

[Primal Sage]

The thing is, Snitch is 99.9% seeing things uploaded to youtube as an employee, so if he says he saw stuff (and is sourcing it for Henderson)... Then it exists.

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Asking because I know nothing about this: is it normal for big companies to upload their trailers to Youtube weeks before publishing them? I would have thought it would be much closer precisely to avoid leaks.

 

[Strings]

But it does not make any sense at all.
If trailers were already made, what was the issue of including them in showcase? It's not like Sony was time constrained and they had to cut stuff out from showcase. If they wanted, they could make Showcase 1,5 hours long no problem.

Like. I get for example keeping PC port of your old exclusive to Geoff for example. But your own new first-party stuff? Come on.
Now we even have conspiracy theories, that Sony kept first-party games from showcase to "wait for Microsoft's showcase in June." What?

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Like yeah, it makes no sense, but because of the way Snitch works, I believe it exists ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ZeroX]

Is this from some inside source/rumor or just assuming based on no delay announcement?

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They said Winter 2023 and didn't announce a delay so
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I do expect one to like March tho they don't need two mainline FF games in six months

I reckon they start ramping up later this year for a February/March release next year.

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Agreed

 

[asd202]

Is this from some inside source/rumor or just assuming based on no delay announcement?

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Yeah I'm pretty sure SE had said nothing on Rebirth since the annoucement.

 

[Saito Hikari]

My guess? If Sony indeed pulled some stuff to do a second showcase, it would be for the sole purpose of trying to throw a wrench at whatever momentum Microsoft gets from their Xbox showcase soon.

Remember how they were constantly playing chicken with each other in regards to the actual pricing of their consoles about three years back?

 

[Kemono]

You say Era is a bubble, and it can be, but the general consensus over the entire Internet including places like Twitter and Reddit is one of immense dissapointment. There's a reason why Jim popped up to make that defensive statement yesterday

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We must read different sites then.

Among the non-hardcore crowd people were very happy with the show overall. Especially about Spider-Man 2.

That fanboy console warriors on twitter and reddit aren't thrilled with indie games and cgi trailers isn't that strange. They thought we would get TLOU Factions and at least 2-3 other big AAA sony 1st party titles.

But the fanboys are always unhappy and moaning a day later when the next showcase will be shown.

As others have already said, for sony this is very cut and dry. They have two of the biggest titles of the year coming up exclusively for their console many, many great indies, A-AAA titles + VR.

If we don't get anything until Q1. 2024 we can start to get pissy.

 

[Simdog497]

This showcase doesn't even matter in the grand scheme of things. It hit some bad notes, but there were games and the PS5 is a juggernaut. It's really bubbles like era that are way too fixated on it. It's obvious they have games coming but making a make good showcase is just not what a company would do.

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Then why do a showcase at all?

 

[vivftp]

I'm not sure about that one. In August you got Bungie Showcase. Then you'll have a State of Play focused around Spider-Man that will release in September

My guess is October or November.

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I think August or September lets them do the Spider-Man 2 launch trailer. I don't think there is a dedicated SoP, just like we didn't get one for Ragnarok. Plus it lets them announce the PS5 revision and the Spider-Man 2 game bundle all at once.

Then toss on TLOU MP, FF Rebirth, Stellar Blade, the new CoD game, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, and some other games and you've got the foundation of a solid second Showcase to build around.

 

[SnatcherHunter]

There's no more showcase this year.

If anything, they will have their usual SOP and sprinkle whatever is left between Summer Gaming and the former.

 

[asd202]

DS2 and a PC port at SGF is not that outlandish I would say that it has a pretty high chance even.

 

[Modest_Modsoul]

Now we even have conspiracy theories, that Sony kept first-party games from showcase to "wait for Microsoft's showcase in June." What?

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This is actually the first time I heard about this 'theory' lol.

 

[Jade1962]

I could see Sony wanting their new studios to get the spot light and not be overshadowed by announcements from their bigger studios but CGI teasers aren't how you show off new IP.

But I think these "insiders" are just saving face.

Ultimately while I was disappointed by the showcase on a personal level most of the world is just talking about how amazing SM2 looked.

I think some are overselling the negative affect this will have on PlayStation.

 

[Yautja_Warrior]

Could be in for another PS showcase later in the year (fingers corssed) or they are going to have a banger showcase in 2024 and let FFXVI, Spider-Man 2 and 3rd Party do the heavy lifting for the rest of this year.

 

[get2sammyb]

I don't believe that for a second.


If he knows some games that are supposed to be announced he would leak it yhr second he knew.


He has a entire website for leaks and he not saying what games they are?

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This is a fair point. If he's seen trailers for unannounced games that weren't shown then he should just tell us what they are and what they're like.

 

[Primal Sage]

Not showing Factions could be because there simply wasn't room for it. They might want to do something focused on that. A mini SOP with 25 minutes only showing factions and having the devs talk about it.