Where are prices getting higher ?It's already happening. Prices are getting higher. Some territories are excluded and well, EGS in 2019 is behind Steam in 2009 in term of features.
Where are prices getting higher ?It's already happening. Prices are getting higher. Some territories are excluded and well, EGS in 2019 is behind Steam in 2009 in term of features.
Maybe your expectations are a little unrealistic ? I'm sure they could have , but it would have taken a lot more time .
Why not release and grow , while still making money.
Well then you do have the choice to not use it . I wouldn't pass on my hobby because the feature set isn't as good as I would want .Because it is not my responsability as a consumer to give companies a pass for offering a shit product.
I have a general question: why is it that every single EGS adjacent topic, there's always the same arguments?
"Competition is good because competition is good"
"Features don't matter to me therefore it doesn't matter to anyone"
"A 12% cut totally isn't trickle down economics and they totally aren't pushing off fees to users"
"Well why don't we compare this product to a product from 15 years ago"
They're always the same. These have been asked and answered.
That's the thing, Epic plan is that there will be no choice. You said it yourself.Well then you do have the choice to not use it . I wouldn't pass on my hobby because the feature set isn't as good as I would want .
At least most of the games are just timed exclusive , so not a huge deal for you anyway . Just a little longer of a wait.
Please stop.I agree not having a shopping cart is pretty weak but is that something to honestly get mad about? Its nothing more than a minor inconvenience
I think Epic will eventually bully Steam into a higher cut . That would be good. Maybe not to match EGS , but a higher cut than what they offer now.
Epic can keep on buying games up. No matter what Steam fans , or non fans of EGS say now...if all the big new games are only on EGS what are you going to do ?
Let your hate for a company beat out your love for gaming ? I'd pick gaming.
I'm not saying it shouldn't have some features. I'm saying its unrealistic to expect them to match Steam from the go .Cloud saves were a thing on Steam in 2009.
10 fuckin years ago.
How is that unrealistic to expect a service to launch with them ?
No search bar, no cart, no wishlist. It's barebone af. It's competiting with Pre-2009 Steam right now.
isn't this... already all stuff steam allows for
Well when we are looking at games that are store specific, sure . I'm sure ubi wants to make money , as much as they can .https://www.resetera.com/threads/pr...rded-price-after-es-uplay-exclusivity.113305/
Games such as Anno or The Divison 2 took between 10 to 20€ of a markup in price.
Let's be honest here. 99% of the people complaining about the 30% cut have absolutely no idea what kind of tools and features Steamworks offers to developers.
There's objective benefits to having a competitor in the market that is trying to increase dev cut, curb unnecessary features, and curate a storefront. You do not need to hate these ideas, simply because you do not like EGS.
I'm not saying it shouldn't have some features. I'm saying its unrealistic to expect them to match Steam from the go .
Not having a search bar or a cart seems like a strange reason to not want to play video games. That's just , my opinion tho .
Is there a "stupid questions to repeatedly ask in every Epic thread" checklist? Are you going through it item by item? Sure feels like it. Talk about icons next, pls, I need to fill my bingo card.I haven't had any fees from egs , but I guess it's different in other places .
I wouldn't expect a relatively new store to be able to match steam , which has been around for how long ? I'm sure steam didn't start with the features it has now ?
Yeah , I hear you and understand that but would i wouldn't lose ALL enthusiasm because my options weren't as comfortable .It's not about hate for a company. It's about losing enthusiasm for said games, when you're being pushed to a worse alternative, rather then being provided options that you're comfortable with.
And we will always have options, meaning that any game that you lose enthusiasm for, will just be put lower on the priority list.
EGS will not have a monopoly, that's just nonsense.
I'm not being rude . No need to be rude to me because our opinions may differ.Is there a "stupid questions to repeatedly ask in every Epic thread" checklist? Are you going through it item by item? Sure feels like it. Talk about icons next, pls, I need to fill my bingo card.
Exclusive games = monopoly on said games. You are trolling at this point.Yeah , I hear you and understand that but would i wouldn't lose ALL enthusiasm because my options weren't as comfortable .
Not saying you shouldn't, but that doesn't make sense to me .
Monopoly no , more and more and more games egs exclusive? That's gonna happen for sure.
Well when we are looking at games that are store specific, sure . I'm sure ubi wants to make money , as much as they can .
Even without egs , these companies with their own stores would probably start keeping their games on their stores
I don't see how I am trolling. I'm just voicing my opinion.Exclusive games = monopoly on said games. You are trolling at this point.
Not for developers who are strong in developing countries (SNK being one) where the local payment service transaction fees would be passed onto the consumer, which would drive away purchases.
If Epic ends up catching up on features and local payment services that will be a different story, but that is a big if IMO.
Let's be honest here. 99% of the people complaining about the 30% cut have absolutely no idea what kind of tools and features Steamworks offers to developers.
Does the EGS even have a robust multiplayer matchmaking API at this point? I was told that it did not yet, but I am no longer a bizdev guy so I don't take part in those conversations really anymore.
Just asking questions, eh?I'm not being rude . No need to be rude to me because our opinions may differ.
Seriously. The sheer amount of stuff Valve does for the PC space and developers is absurd, even without providing a freely available game engine.Boy aint that the fucking truth. Let me tell you, things like SDL 2.0 have made my life immeasurably better. And I use things like RenderDoc and VOGL every goddamn day.
Yes , and voicing my opinion . Obviously we dont agree , and that's ok
I have a general question: why is it that every single EGS adjacent topic, there's always the same arguments?
"Competition is good because competition is good"
"Features don't matter to me therefore it doesn't matter to anyone"
"A 12% cut totally isn't trickle down economics and they totally aren't pushing off fees to users"
"Well why don't we compare this product to a product from 15 years ago"
They're always the same. These have been asked and answered.
Boy aint that the fucking truth. Let me tell you, things like SDL 2.0 have made my life immeasurably better. And I use things like RenderDoc and VOGL every goddamn day.
At GDC they did announce Epic Online Services
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/blog/epic-s-free-online-services-launch-for-all-game-developers
Why are people mad at Epic instead of Steam and their unsustainable monopoly pricing of 30%? I thought Era was pro-developers?
I have a general question: why is it that every single EGS adjacent topic, there's always the same arguments?
"Competition is good because competition is good"
"Features don't matter to me therefore it doesn't matter to anyone"
"A 12% cut totally isn't trickle down economics and they totally aren't pushing off fees to users"
"Well why don't we compare this product to a product from 15 years ago"
They're always the same. These have been asked and answered.
Shhhh, that's not the party line, comrade.Wouldn't a 12% stardard lead to less competition and more to a monopoly? No one has the financial backing to support that apart from the giant companies, surely that would lead to the extintion of all small and medium sized stores? Or am I seeing things wrong? The costumer would suffer with only 1 or 2 options?
Tim Sweeney next week:Sweeney sounds like a hostage taker lol
Also he's lying and would still court exclusives if Valve dropped their cut
Painting something that mostly benefits publishers and money men (aka parasites) as pro dev while presiding over a horrific culture of crunch sure is some peak late stage capitalism.
I have been joking for a while that I would love to put these people in an escape room where the only way to get out is by using Sony TPRNet.
Let's see them complain about Steam's 30% cut after that.
I have been joking for a while that I would love to put these people in an escape room where the only way to get out is by using Sony TPRNet.
Let's see them complain about Steam's 30% cut after that.
It's funny. They're making Valve out to be the bad guy, but what happens if Valve actually adopts their standards?Wouldn't a 12% stardard lead to less competition and more to a monopoly? No one has the financial backing to support that apart from the giant companies, surely that would lead to the extintion of all small and medium sized stores? Or am I seeing things wrong? The costumer would suffer with only 1 or 2 options?
Wouldn't a 12% stardard lead to less competition and more to a monopoly? No one has the financial backing to support that apart from the giant companies, surely that would lead to the extintion of all small and medium sized stores? Or am I seeing things wrong? The costumer would suffer with only 1 or 2 options?
We should be grateful that Epic isn't using Digital River services in their store, then? Because it was norm before (and even after for some companies like EA) Steam.I'm not saying it shouldn't have some features. I'm saying its unrealistic to expect them to match Steam from the go .
Not having a search bar or a cart seems like a strange reason to not want to play video games. That's just , my opinion tho .
We should be grateful that Epic isn't using Digital River services in their store, then? Because it was norm before (and even after for some companies like EA) Steam.
Fuck, remember how shitty Digital River was/is?
Yeah , I hear you and understand that but would i wouldn't lose ALL enthusiasm because my options weren't as comfortable .
Not saying you shouldn't, but that doesn't make sense to me .
Monopoly no , more and more and more games egs exclusive? That's gonna happen for sure.
It's still used by some big names sadly. DR is fucking godawful.We should be grateful that Epic isn't using Digital River services in their store, then? Because it was norm before (and even after for some companies like EA) Steam.
Fuck, remember how shitty Digital River was/is?
We should be grateful that Epic isn't using Digital River services in their store, then? Because it was norm before (and even after for some companies like EA) Steam.
Fuck, remember how shitty Digital River was/is?