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Aeana

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Oct 25, 2017
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So we are punishing devs for bad behavior from a publisher? I can understand boycotting a publisher that puts out a racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic content(like the Hatred publishers for example) from a bad developer but I don't understand doing the reverse, and boycotting discussion of games because of actions of publishers that had no bearing on the product.
There are always side effects of any action. There are always innocent people involved, because corporations are made of many people. If we follow this logic to its conclusion, then we arrive at a place where we say that we cannot ever do anything to a company because there may be effects on people who were not involved.
 

SENPAIatLARGE

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Oct 25, 2017
2,501
I'm 100% for sacking the people that made the bad decisions, but if it doesn't occur, I don't see why developers get punished. Executives all over the world use sweatshops and extremely underpaid immigrant labor, but I don't see call for bans of their products on the site.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Any Women in gaming thread... black people in gaming thread... other POC in gaming thread.....

All the same with the same push back. People want to pat themselves on the back for shit they have never earned and continue to let happen everyday on this forum.

No I'm asking for actual examples where moderation let harassment go on without ever putting it in check or addressing it here since that is what you insinuated
 

MrNelson

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,356
I'm 100% for sacking the people that made the bad decisions, but if it doesn't occur, I don't see why developers get punished. Executives all over the world use sweatshops and extremely underpaid immigrant labor, but I don't see call for bans of their products on the site.
Ah, there's the whataboutism
 

MechaJackie

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,032
Brazil
I think at this point they will just pretend that nothing happened. Impressive really, I guess they could just not talk about it and wait for people to forget. Like, what will happen to them if they do that? No one with power to do so will hold them responsible, doubt any of their partners are going to do anything about it. It really just seems like they will get away scot-free as long as they want to.
 

Gotdatmoney

Member
Oct 28, 2017
14,545
I don't have any opinion on whether the forum should or shouldn't ban discussion of THQ Nordic games beyond thinking it needs to be an admin decision made in conjunction with the vision and identity that they desire the board to take. And I think that that decision should be easily justifiable by content rules/mission statement every user can easily identify and weigh actions against.

I don't actually give a fuck if we wiped THQ Nordic discussion off the face of the planet forever. But if the board is going to take a major stance like this then it needs to be able to communicate that to all users with clearly defined reasons and guidelines that guide that decision. Just because I don't care it doesn't mean that decisions that other users will care about should be discarded. A forum has to uphold an identity and a standard of engagement or rule making. I think some people don't quite respect the degree to which making bans should be thought out and communicated.

In regards to this situation. I still really have no idea why media isn't burying THQ Nordic. Feels like as a whole the press doesn't really think this is a big deal.
 

RPGam3r

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Oct 27, 2017
13,613
I'm not punishing devs for shitty executives. I don't even think the statement would get their attention bc the devs are the ones that would most likely get punished for poor sales, not the executives.
 

Icemonk191

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,814
So we are punishing devs for bad behavior from a publisher? I can understand boycotting a publisher that puts out a racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic content(like the Hatred publishers for example) from a bad developer but I don't understand doing the reverse, and boycotting discussion of games because of actions of publishers that had no bearing on the product.

Well tough shit for those Developers but I'm not going to let them be used as hostages by THQ so I don't boycott this child pronography website loving assholes. It's a dumb idea that just because there are good people who work there means that I can't do anything against them.

Doing the right thing is hard and people can and will get hurt but trying to use that as an excuse not to do the right thing is disingenuous at best And malicious at worst.
 

Marshall

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Oct 27, 2017
2,999
Wow, the list of THQ Nordic games is long. That's a lot of games to boycott. Which I will ( I have three kids, and one every console platform and PC). Sure it won't do much, but it's something.
 

SENPAIatLARGE

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,501
Well tough shit for those Developers but I'm not going to let them be used as hostages by THQ so I don't boycott this child pronography website loving assholes. It's a dumb idea that just because there are good people who work there means that I can't do anything against them.

Doing the right thing is hard and people can and will get hurt but trying to use that as an excuse not to do the right thing is disingenuous at best And malicious at worst.
But is banning discussion the right thing? Putting a disclaimer in a OT makes sense. But stopping all discussion feels like short sighted anger.
 

Gotdatmoney

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Oct 28, 2017
14,545
So we are punishing devs for bad behavior from a publisher? I can understand boycotting a publisher that puts out a racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic content(like the Hatred publishers for example) from a bad developer but I don't understand doing the reverse, and boycotting discussion of games because of actions of publishers that had no bearing on the product.

It's not a punishment to not discuss or buy a product. It's a consumer choice. Treating it like a punishment gives it a severity that is overblown given we do this shit all the time in everyday life.
 

Deleted member 1849

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Oct 25, 2017
6,986
"I'm not going to let devs get hurt, so I'm going to financially support known supporters of child abuse, swatters, racists, and doxxers who hurt the lives of other people"

Video games
 

Out 1

Member
Oct 25, 2017
298
media kinda let them off the hook, or am I incorrectly reading this situation?

p.s. whataboutism is an empty word that only serves to stifle discussion.
 

Disclaimer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,565
The call for bans on all THQ games is a product of short sighted(but justified) anger. Why should we ban discussion of art made by developers because they happened to be owned by THQ members that made an awful decision. This is the equivalent of saying all films produced by Weinstein's company should not be discussed because Harvey was a monster. I guarantee most of the people here filled with righteous anger will have forgotten about this business in a week, moving to the next controversy.

What you don't seem to understand is that boycotts aren't a vindictive end state; they're a tool to fulfill a purpose.

The purpose, in this case, being the firing of the individuals complicit in this scenario, the ones who opted to rapport with and support the platform of pedophiles, hate mongers, doxxers, swatters, and all manner of other human filth.

In so doing, those employees tarnished their company and those associated with them. It's the company's job as a representative entity to course correct by firing those involved and issuing a condemnation — something that would have been done swiftly in any industry but this one.

By boycotting, people aren't punishing developers; they're trying to enact the change necessary so that those developers' games won't be associated with pedophilia and neo-naziism, and giving THQN the opportunity to salvage their brand.
 

Deleted member 5596

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Oct 25, 2017
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You angry? Call for a blanket ban on talk of 4chan and 8chan then. See how that shit goes. Don't throw it onto a group of companies that got lead into dumbass territory like this by a handful of people.

What that would achieve related to the problem at hand? THQ sides themselves with a vile website and our protest is.. Not to talk about this website?
 

JehutyRunner

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Oct 26, 2017
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Mods, if this is not condoned, feel free to edit/remove this post as you see fit.

With that being said, I figured I may post this article I just published from across the game's industry on a global level from PR and CMs on what's THQN did.

 

TheRuralJuror

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Oct 25, 2017
6,504
So we are punishing devs for bad behavior from a publisher? I can understand boycotting a publisher that puts out a racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic content(like the Hatred publishers for example) from a bad developer but I don't understand doing the reverse, and boycotting discussion of games because of actions of publishers that had no bearing on the product.
I'm 100% for sacking the people that made the bad decisions, but if it doesn't occur, I don't see why developers get punished. Executives all over the world use sweatshops and extremely underpaid immigrant labor, but I don't see call for bans of their products on the site.

Stop bringing up other bullshit. There's one discussion going on despite you trying to drag everyone to any other issues you can think up.

That said, banning discussion on thq games is a bit too much, imo.
 

More_Badass

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Oct 25, 2017
23,637
So we are punishing devs for bad behavior from a publisher? I can understand boycotting a publisher that puts out a racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic content(like the Hatred publishers for example) from a bad developer but I don't understand doing the reverse, and boycotting discussion of games because of actions of publishers that had no bearing on the product.
Punishment? Why do you consider it punishing an author, a director, a developer if you don't buy their work? Choosing not to buy or support something for your own individual reasons, whether it's for lack of interest or feeling negatively about their decisions, isn't punishing them
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,134
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with the... look this, this miniature bread. It's like...
I've been working with this now for about half an hour.
I can't figure out... let's say I want a bite, right, you've
got this...

Ian: You'd like bigger bread?

Nigel: Exactly! I don't understand how...

Ian: You could fold this though.

Nigel: Well, no then it's half the size.

Ian: Not the bread, you could fold the meat.

Nigel: Yeah, but then it, then it breaks up, breaks apart like this.

Ian: No, no, no, you put it on the bread like this, you see

Nigel: But then, if you keep folding it, it keeps breaking...

Ian: Why do you keep folding it?
 

MrNelson

Community Resettler
Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,356
But is banning discussion the right thing? Putting a disclaimer in a OT makes sense. But stopping all discussion feels like short sighted anger.
Oh good, so we can have more threads like Kingdom Come: Deliverance, The Last Night, and Cyberpunk 2077 where people piss and moan because the actions and stances of people involved with those games are dragged into the light and they have to confront that they are helping to give their bigoted stances a larger platform by supporting them.
 

andymoogle

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Oct 27, 2017
2,339
So we are punishing devs for bad behavior from a publisher? I can understand boycotting a publisher that puts out a racist, sexist, homophobic or transphobic content(like the Hatred publishers for example) from a bad developer but I don't understand doing the reverse, and boycotting discussion of games because of actions of publishers that had no bearing on the product.
I'm not going to give my money to a company that condones Nazis and child porn just so that developers under their umbrella can continue making games based on THQ Nordic's IPs. Any boycott will affect innocent people. That's how boycotts against large companies work. That does not mean that I am punishing the developers. They aren't getting my money either way. It's the Nazi lovers on the board that gets the money.
 

D i Z

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,085
Where X marks the spot.
Oh good, so we can have more threads like Kingdom Come: Deliverance, The Last Night, and Cyberpunk 2077 where people piss and moan because the actions and stances of people involved with those games are dragged into the light and they have to confront that they are helping to give their bigoted stances a larger platform by supporting them.

Cyberpunk is going to get a thread. Several. Let's try to ban em. That's an automatic no from staff let alone members.
 

Deleted member 5596

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Oct 25, 2017
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And you can see why a ban on talking about THQ property is equally idiotic then?
No? because not talking about 8chan here doesn't affect that web and people in any way or form.

Banning THQ games talk, you private a considerable platform for THQ games to be promoted.

Sure you can see the difference?
 

MrNelson

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Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,356
Cyberpunk is going to get a thread. Several. Let's try to ban em. That's an automatic no from staff let alone members.
Which is unfortunate that so many people are willing to overlook (at least) the marketing arm of a publisher/developer actively being transphobic on social media several times, and then delivering a non-apologies, because of "muh vidyagames".
 
Oct 29, 2017
1,037
After leaving up the link for so long and their total lack of action afterwards it's pretty clear this move was very much on purpose.

None of the horrible people and places they successfully advertised and supported believe the apology. This is just how the play works.

Step1, Do the horrible thing, everyone involved in horrible thing celebrates.

Later say you apologied but don't really do it (they never even attempted to apologise for the content of the AMA).

Then, even though everyone involved is still celebrating the horrible thing and you've done literally nothing to mitigate the horrible thing claim you apologised and everyone is just being crazy by still asking about it.

This last step only makes everyone involved in the horrible thing even happier and acts as further direct support for them.

This is where we are now, the horrible people they supported are better off today than they have ever been before.

THQNordic did a massive promotion yesterday for child porn, racism, sexism, bigotry and basically any number of horrible things. It was a very successful promotion as well.

The fact they have done nothing to mitigate the damage they caused suggests that causing the damage was very much their intention in the beginning.
 

Deleted member 6215

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah but here's the thing. It's not a progressive forum. It's a collection of individuals who mostly cut their teeth at other gaming sites and forums and came here because it's the new hotness.
Gaming side is absolute garbage when it comes to progressive stances. This is fact. Ain't a goddamn thing progressive about the site or its populous. I still get told that black face is innocence under a white brow every February. We've had tons of threads defending all of these things in popular games including rape, incest, underage, racism, and so forth. So what is this sudden expectation of morality, and where did it come from when the mass is morally bankrupt? Where was everyone before?

Thank you. I'm glad someone is finally saying this because I'm sick of seeing this website passed off as some kind of progressive paradise. It very clearly tries to walk some kind of middle ground that doesn't allow the really egregiously bad stuff to be said, but doesn't want to do the heavy lifting of what it takes to really clean things up.

As someone said pages ago, it's a playground for alt-right assholes to walk a fine line, troll for shits and giggles, then scurry back to their holes for some lulz. I stopped posting and reading Etc months ago because the real-world topics were dragging me down, but at least there was some semblance of decency. Gaming side is a disaster and will likely stay that way (or get worse) until the moderators are willing to purge the garbage threads and horrible views.

I've been borderline for a while with "gaming culture" as a whole because it seems so completely irredeemable, but this is pretty much the final straw. Maybe Era is just too big to manage such a monster successfully. Smaller sites like Waypoint and RGB seem to have a much better handle on it. But If the staff here can't put something in place to properly address this situation, let alone the larger one looming, I'm calling it quits for good.

Not that anyone will care much, I'm just one random anonymous guy on the Internet who's been here for a while. But since we're talking about boycotts and consequences, it seems like it's time I applied that more consistently. There are plenty of other places to get news and have discussions.
 

Sean

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Oct 25, 2017
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Longview
"But the devs!" is just a lame and pathetic excuse to justify wanting to support executives who are okay with Child Porn. Most of your money is going to the top, not to the developers.
 

D i Z

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,085
Where X marks the spot.
No? because not talking about 8chan here doesn't affect that web and people in any way or form.

Banning THQ games talk, you private a considerable platform for THQ games to be promoted.

Sure you can see the difference?

I do. But I also see that the devs didn't do this. Be consistent. And you all will forget about this by the end of the week, so it doesn't even matter. Now, with my outlook I'd say that a ton of people in here went to 8chan to stay.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
50,134
Okay, so if a company supports a child porn website, the solution is to boycott websites that talk about trying to do something about it because they aren't going far enough. I'm learning a lot today.
 

Sumio Mondo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,952
United Kingdom
I agree with the other post saying that the devs need to take a stance on this (lack of) action from THQ. I seriously think some of the devs would also be out of the loop on this (such as those based in other countries where English isn't their first language). If word of this spread via articles popping up it would also be a great help but with the lack of that happening so far, it's going to be conveniently swept under the rug. Disgusting.
 

Darryl M R

The Spectacular PlayStation-Man
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Oct 25, 2017
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I can see why some people may not want to ban all discussions, but I would argue that any reference of this incident is not considered off-topic.

I personally wouldn't mind if the topic was banned. I would feel different if devs started speaking out on how disappointed they are on this and someone got fired.
 

Totenkinder

Member
Oct 27, 2017
421
Heads up, first mainstream article out in the wild. And damn it's pretty hard hitting imo.
Washington Post
Really glad this is getting mainstream coverage I hope this isn't just swept under the rug what they (intentionally) did is horrible and should not be without consequence. Also really disappointed in most major gaming outlets letting them off the hook like wtf? They should be ashamed of themselves buying into this whole bullshit narrative of "Guys they made a MISTAKE they had no idea what 8chan was" yea ok buddy
 
Sep 20, 2018
129
I can't believe people on this forum are still discussing whether or not to ban OTs of games by this publisher. Like, this is pretty easy people. Do you want to support people who ally themselves with pedophiles, racists, sexists, Nazis, and pretty much every other category of awful people? Because promoting their games is supporting them. If you buy games from them, you're basically saying what they did was okay. I have difficulty imagining someone who looks at promotion of 8chan and says "ooh, that's bad, but the gameplay man, it's just so good! Can't pass that up!" and then continues thinking themselves a moral person, when their morality is so fragile that some good gameplay can cause them to forgive any transgression apparently. As others have pointed out, games are a luxury item- they aren't like clothes or food or something you can't live without. It's not like their aren't other games out there to buy, it's not like THQ Nordic has a monopoly on games or on genres of games.

"I'm not going to let devs get hurt, so I'm going to financially support known supporters of child abuse, swatters, racists, and doxxers who hurt the lives of other people"

Video games

Hit the nail on the head with what's so messed up about this. Apparently expecting basic morality from gamers is just too much.