To be fair we still dont officially know if he caused the thunder.
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Those that finish One Piece's Wano arc, debate me. The Final battle should have a huge astrix next to it
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To be fair we still dont officially know if he caused the thunder.
Once Luffy masters Gear 5, I could see Luffy being way stronger than Kaido. I think right now Gear 5 wouldn't last enough to beat a full powered Kaido.
Either way, it's insane how far Luffy went. At the start of Wano he couldn't even hurt Kaido, and that was when he was at his angriest, thinking everyone was dead.
You know, Kizaru has a very dedicated and noisy fanbase and some of them actually think he's going to clear the strawhats.
if Kaido had a health bar, Luffy alone probably took off like 80%. Kaido fought all those motherfuckers, kept Onigashima afloat, and only seemed to suffer minor damage at best. The Scabbards essentially did nothing to him in the end, which is pretty damn depressing when you think about it.
Kaido truly was was an absolute monster, with unparalleled levels of stamina.
Also drives home just how insane Shanks is, because he was able to handle that man off-screen like it was easy work lol.
Kaido truly was was an absolute monster, with unparalleled levels of stamina.
Also drives home just how insane Shanks is, because he was able to handle that man off-screen like it was easy work lol.
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Lol no.
She fought law and kid, law left black beard bleading and huffing.
Also Kidd had law teleporting him around vs big mom, he didn't have that help against shanks.
And law had Kidd to take of some pressure against hug mom he didn't have that against black beard.
Also Kidd had law teleporting him around vs big mom, he didn't have that help against shanks.
And law had Kidd to take of some pressure against hug mom he didn't have that against black beard.
I don't get what's the point of the OP?
Like yeah Luffy needed help but he did against doflamingo, cracker and katakuri(by taking brule hostage to rest kid fight), it is intentional that post skip Luffy always need the help of the people to win, without law shoving his gama ray in doflamingo Luffy would have lost, without nami softening up crackers bisquit Luffy would have lost, without Luffy taking advantage of brule he would have lost.
You don't need to be the stronger to win, lol
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i mean the world's strongest man wouldn't win in a fight against a decent boxer so yes he could still be the strongest.
Yeah Kaido is essentially unbeatable 1v1. Luffy had tons of help, and 2 whole ass plot armor points just to beat Kaido after so many people already wore him down.
I think it's fair to say they're both pretty worn by the time their 1v1 starts, but yeah luffy definitely had more help (law's crew, yamabro, momo, etc).
In saying that though.. That's like the whole point of one piece lol. Luffy and his amazing ability to make friends and in turn make an army of allies. Kaido didn't just lose his fight with Luffy, he and his crew lost the entire raid.
In saying that though.. That's like the whole point of one piece lol. Luffy and his amazing ability to make friends and in turn make an army of allies. Kaido didn't just lose his fight with Luffy, he and his crew lost the entire raid.
I hope its revealed that Shanks isnt even strong hes just good at bluffing and intimidating and ratting people out to the Gorosei.
Honestly, I'm kind of in the same boat. Every other villain up till now seem to have a really interesting backstory, but he just kind of felt like a big simple thug. Like he basically made his underlings do all of the nefarious and intricate stuff, and he just sat and drank and signed off on it, and then got into fights they couldn't handle.
Those few times when he showed a moment of actual characterization, basically whenever he talk to Yamato or whenever he was drunk, were the only interesting parts of his personality.
Tbf to Kid, I think Shanks would be a lot more injured being hit by his Damned Punk than Big Mom or Kaidou would since he doesn't seem to have the same level of tankiness. However it doesn't really matter I guess when Kid wasn't ready to fight a Yonkou with a higher speed stat.
Y'know, I'd be happier if Katakuri was the only person in the 'verse that could do it. Because now there's all these potential plot holes that you could poke until Oda says "Luffy can't use it consistently."
Definitely need some more clarification on Luffy's use of Future Sight. I had assumed that it was like a, "Goku's been using Kaio-ken the whole time", kinda situation where he had it activated constantly despite us not being expressly told as such. But yeah, I'm not sure that's the case anymore lol. He was just getting tagged by Kaido waaaaaaay too often for that.
I guess Luffy still has to consciously activate it, or maybe Kaido was just too high level of an opponent? His physical speed did seem to be quite extreme when using various attacks. All I know, is I didn't see anything from Luffy close to the level of Katakuri dodging Black Mamba.
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So a perk of Moria's DF was that he could steal the shadows off of people. Using Hogback to prepare corpses, he stuck these shadows to them to make zombies. People who had their shadows removed from them survived having them stolen, however they would burn up in direct sunlight, so they always had to hide in the shadows. Throughout Thriller Bark, Moria was able to steal Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, and Robin's shadows, and put the former three into zombies, with the ancient giant Oars being the recipient of Luffy's shadow. Per Moria, beating him up wouldn't return shadows. The only three ways to do it, were presumably if Moria gave the shadow back, giving a zombie with the shadows some salt, or if Moria barfed it back up, which was only under a very specific circumstance.
So regarding said circumstance, it had to do with another aspect of Moria's DF. If he removed a shadow and put it into a corpse, it would give the corpse life, but if the shadow were put into a living person, that person would receive a powerup, gaining the strength and skill of whomever that shadow belonged to. Luffy was able to defeat Oars incredibly easily by becoming 'Nightmare Luffy' a Luffy who had 100 souls wrangled into him. So at the climax of Thriller Bark Oars has been defeated, but Luffy had lost the shadows he had and returned to normal. Moria was hurt but still standing, and dawn was fast approaching. Moria decides to fight them using the method Luffy had just used, but rather than 100, he takes a 1000 or so (every single zombie he has, including the SH shadows) and turns into a massive giant. All of those shadows basically overload him though, so being hit by the SHs enough cause him to barf every thing back up, defeating him and giving the SHs their shadows back.
So Moria could have taken 100 shadows rather than everything, and could have easily won and not given the SHs their shadows back. He could have just run away since he more or less could teleport with his DF. He could have just sat there and gotten beat up and the SHs heavy hitters still wouldn't have gotten their shadows, so they'd either burn in the morning sun or have to retreat. Instead he does the one specific thing that he has to voluntarily do in order to give himself a total defeat.
Ahh, there it is. Definitely forgot that dialogue. I guess basically every single Thunder Bagua technique is a speed blitz lol.Correct
My primary beef with Kaido is that after having one of the most iconic character introductions in the entire series, his suicidal ideation is kinda just dropped.
I get that teaming up with BM to get the One Piece reinvigorated him in some sense, and he's clearly having a good time fighting on the rooftop against people who can actually hold their own against him, but unless I'm misremembering it doesn't ever come up again.
I get that teaming up with BM to get the One Piece reinvigorated him in some sense, and he's clearly having a good time fighting on the rooftop against people who can actually hold their own against him, but unless I'm misremembering it doesn't ever come up again.
Cracker and Katakuri's fight in WCI proves Luffy is still far from it.
Heck, the Onigashima fight proves that most of the crews are not match Yonko's crews.
Luffy doesn't have the raw power of Kaido/Shanks but his stamina and determination are probably at least as good now. Also if he can just activate gear 5 casually like he did against Lucci, and don't have it drain his life away then it's already a huge increase in strength and abilities compared to pre-Wano Luffy
Plus Luffy always gets that Saiyan* power boost between arcs. Like he gets a further grasp on what he can do and learns from his losses so once threatening opponents like Lucci become jobbers to him.