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[The Verge] Fortnite’s cash cow is PlayStation, not iOS, court documents reveal
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You buy skins and there's a season pass. The Save The World mode had lootboxes, but they removed them I'm pretty sure, it's also not F2P so probably has 1% the total players.
I'm legitimately shocked that Playstation and XBOX are bigger in terms of revenue for Fortnite than PC is. I didn't think iPhone would be bigger because it just seems like a less ideal control scheme, but I figured something like half their player base was on PC. It must be significantly smaller for them than their XBOX or Playstation sales, since Epic would get 100% of the revenue from the EGS MTX sales, as opposed to the 70-ish they get on consoles. Crazy.
Tencent managed to translate PUBG to Mobile extraordinary well and it has been a printing money machine for years.
And COD Mobile too.
People clearly didn't move to Fortnite on mobile like thy did with PUBG.
Huh, considering they state that it's second lowest when Android is listed it's not too bad to guesstimate that Android is around 5% if ios was 7%. That means Switch and PC together only make up for 13.7% which genuinely surprises me. I figured Fortnite on PC would at least equal Xbox revenue but it's not even half. Makes me wonder what it'd be like if it was on Steam.
That's not even going into how atrocious it's doing on mobile when so many other big IPs seemingly make the lion's share of the money from mobile nowadays with a succesful mobile game.
That's not even going into how atrocious it's doing on mobile when so many other big IPs seemingly make the lion's share of the money from mobile nowadays with a succesful mobile game.
Yep. iOS being only 7% of their revenue makes it totally obvious why Epic is so gung ho on them specifically. Its money they can throw away in hopes to get a ludicrous amount more without hurting them.
And both of those play considerably differently than their PC/Console counterparts. Especially noteworthy for COD Mobile, where matches are faster, shorter, gameplay mechanics are simpler and more drop-in/drop-out.
I knew Fortnite was pretty far behind the other battle royale titles like PUBG and FreeFire but I didn't realize it was that far behind. Yikes.
it all makes sense now why they're going after apple specifically.
sony and microsoft also take a 30% cut, just like apple does, but apple is only a tiny slice of the fornite pie. epic can't afford to suddenly have sony take fortnite off PSN because it's almost half of their fortnite revenue.
sony and microsoft also take a 30% cut, just like apple does, but apple is only a tiny slice of the fornite pie. epic can't afford to suddenly have sony take fortnite off PSN because it's almost half of their fortnite revenue.
if epic succeeds in convincing a court that apple's 30% cut is excessive then it will be very helpful for epic in any litigation/negotiations with other platform holders like sony/microsoft. think big picture.
That's they whole point. Epic Games didn't care enough to make a tailored version.
Hell even EA is making a custom mobile Apex Legends version instead of porting the console game.
Oh, I missed that. Probably also related to UE and some of the features they've been adding to it with the companies Epic's been buying. Plus their strategy to use the UE on the film side.
That makes way more sense. Thanks for the info!
This is certainly not true across-the-board but there is an element of truth to it. I suspect the average PS4 player is more willing to part with money for software and loot boxes and shit than the average PC player, who complains bitterly if the $15 humble bundle only has 3 games they want in it.
Your battle pass is tied to your epic account and not your device. My son buys his battle pass on his PS4 account because my card details are on there and it's more convenient but he plays it mostly on the switch. I also know at least 3 people at work who would play on the PS4 at home (including buying the battle pass) but would then play it on their phone when commuting and at lunchtime.
"Your Honor, we don't include the PlayStation and Xbox in our claims about walled gardens due to the Chewbacca defense."
Hence why I said, there's a market... for games designed for mobile. Straight ports and/or streaming console/PC games won't cut it.
Why play Fortnite for PC when I can scroll through my massive steam library for 30 minutes, never pick out anything to actually play, and then watch youtube and go on Era for the rest of the night instead?
Right fellas or is it just me??
Yeah, hypothetically if they win, they could force Sony and Microsoft marketplaces to follow which means even more money for Epic which going by these numbers is their true goal, broad store changes across every platform.
I'm not sure I understand what the point you're trying to make. If the iOS version of the game was responsible for 7% of the revenue Epic was bringing in, how is suing Apple and currently getting 0% helpful?
Fortnite is featured prominently on the Playstation store. I feel there's always some banner or advertisement on their. On the Switch eShop, you occasionally seem the game on the featured section of the store but that's usually reserved for new or upcoming games. And on PC, Fortnite obviously has no presence on Steam. Don't have an Xbox so I can't speak to that. But it feels like purchasing ingame items is just pushed more on Playstation compared to other systems.
I wonder if it will come out in this lawsuit how much of a cut they're paying Sony and MS.
If it was the standard 30%... then Sony over that period would be walking away with revenue equivalent to 20% of Epic's total Fortnite revenue.
But I'd be shocked if Epic wasn't getting some kind of fee discount based on volume/size, or some kind of 'sweetheart deal' (the kind I believe they tried initially to get from Apple).
If it was the standard 30%... then Sony over that period would be walking away with revenue equivalent to 20% of Epic's total Fortnite revenue.
But I'd be shocked if Epic wasn't getting some kind of fee discount based on volume/size, or some kind of 'sweetheart deal' (the kind I believe they tried initially to get from Apple).
I would assume 30%, same as Apple. Maybe they have a special deal?
My assumption is that the PC community on Fortnite is highly competitive but small. Big streamers that buy skins probably get VBucks from Epic anyways. They are content creators, and the the hundreds of thousands to millions that see them buy a skin then buy it on the platform they have which is most likely a console. Its hard to compete when the player base could be as high as 140M on console alone.
Joking aside, if Fortnite was on Steam then surely it would be doing very different numbers on PC.
I wonder if Rocket League's PC player base is suffering since being delisted from Steam? Although I guess many like me are still playing the Steam version they purchased previously.
Because they're moving all the games they make that are similar (Rocket League, Fall Guys, etc) to mobile eventually and they're still looking to acquire more studios/games that are similar. I would imagine they'll eventually move to unify those brands in a big way. We're already starting to see it with cross-over events.
if Epic wins it might mean they could argue and win the same case more broadly on every store platform, PSN, Xbox meaning they wouldn't need to give anyone a cut, by going after the big iOS fish, less revenue though, they can change the landscape for themselves more broadly if they win. Also, I don't think they actually expected Apple to throw them off the store for this amount of time.
Haha you're not wrong though. I put a ton of money into my PC and I'll see games on Steam like 50% off and I'm thinking, ".............would be nice if it was 75% though" and then chickening out of the purchase.
Yeah, even tho its helps Sony with movies and shows it should have been obvious it was also about gaming.
Yeah, digesting the rest of the info...this is wild.
The big spenders must be on consoles.
I mean, I'm just speculating here, but maybe the #s are low on mobile because it's simply not as much fun to play the game that way? I know controllers for phones exist, but I would assume most people use touch controls on phone. And those that get hooked on mobile, maybe they eventually make the move to console or pc.
Because if they can temporarily sacrifice that 7% and win, it'd give them precedent to start taking away Sony's and MS' 30% they take too, even if slowly (I doubt they'd go full on like they did with Apple though), it'd be a huge win for EPIC overall.
Well, presumably they're arguing they would be earning a lot more on Apple's platform if not for their allegedly anticompetitive policies.
And if they win the case, they think they'd have a good argument against Microsoft and Sony too.
Not surprising since Fortnite came out first on PS4 I think? They even did that "early access but not really" BS on it.
Also explains why Epic decides to go after Apple in the lawsuit. They can't afford to offend Sony/MS/Nintendo.
Also explains why Epic decides to go after Apple in the lawsuit. They can't afford to offend Sony/MS/Nintendo.
