Not really, they have AZ and their own vaccines. More important for other countries.
India's the world's largest vaccine producer. What does this change for them?
Thread title is a bit misleading. US will vote to waive IPs which can still be blocked by others
Waiving IPs will do very little in real terms (especially the mRNA). By the time supply chains are up and running there will be more than enough vaccines for the planet.India's the world's largest vaccine producer. What does this change for them?
The IP is not the main problem to Brazil and many others countries... it is the shortages of vital components to make the vaccine.
Yes.Could someone educate me on this, I assumed the IP belongs to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or no? Like, Does this mean that if this goes through then anyone can make Pfizer's vaccine without having to pay them?
And high quality manufacturing locations.The IP is not the main problem to Brazil and many others countries... it is the shortages of vital components to make the vaccine.
Not really. Our problem isn't IP. We already have the licensing rights for two vaccines (Covishield and the indigenously-developed Covaxin). It's a manufacturing issue. The largest manufacturer in India is the Serum Institute. But it didn't get any funding from the government last year, and had to rely on its own investment to manufacture the vaccines. So it could not establish extra manufacturing facilities to ramp up production in proportion to India's population. We have roughly 150 million vaccinated. That's half of the U.S Population. But Indian population is 1400 million. So it's a drop in the bucket.
IP only exists because Governments write laws to support their existence; they are artificial, not intrinsic. They can also make exceptions, many of which exist for all sorts of things already.Could someone educate me on this, I assumed the IP belongs to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or no? Like, Does this mean that if this goes through then anyone can make Pfizer's vaccine without having to pay them?
Could someone educate me on this, I assumed the IP belongs to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or no? Like, Does this mean that if this goes through then anyone can make Pfizer's vaccine without having to pay them?
Yes. The issue being the vaccine components/compounds and getting the production/supply facilities up and running. By the time that happens Pfizer/Moderna will have created enough vaccine for the world I assume
IP only exists because Governments write laws to support their existence; they are artificial, not intrinsic. They can also make exceptions, many of which exist for all sorts of things already.
There's nothing they can say, because the IP laws contain these powers for governments to use. They just aren't used often, or ever really. If it does get abused, it can either turn companies away from R&D or it can cause them to ask for more money up front to try to recoup costs/maximize profits before the patent is yanked form under them.I see. I have no knowledge about how any of this works, so I was mainly curious what a company like Pfizer has to say in all of this. Like, it's safe to assume they spent millions on the research and the facilities to produce the vaccine. At the end of the day they want to recoup that money, so would they have a say in such a thing, the IP of their product being available to everyone?
Yes. Publicly available patent documents should give enough information on how to manufacture the vaccines, it's only legal protections preventing others from doing so. There could be things like trade secretes with some of them though.Could someone educate me on this, I assumed the IP belongs to the pharmaceutical manufacturer or no? Like, Does this mean that if this goes through then anyone can make Pfizer's vaccine without having to pay them?
They won't be happy but if this is passed there's nothing they can do about it.I see. I have no knowledge about how any of this works, so I was mainly curious what a company like Pfizer has to say in all of this. Like, it's safe to assume they spent millions on the research and the facilities to produce the vaccine. At the end of the day they want to recoup that money, so would they have a say in such a thing, the IP of their product being available to everyone?
It remains a bad idea without guaranteeing the infrastructure to make the vaccine and principally it's components properly and safely. The fact that we still have diseases worldwide that we've had vaccines for for decades and are now patent-less shows that IP alone is a very minor stumbling block on the whole.But benevolent billionaire and friend of Jeffrey Epstein Bill Gates said this is a bad idea...
It remains a bad idea without guaranteeing the infrastructure to make the vaccine and principally it's components properly and safely.
Yes. The issue being the vaccine components/compounds and getting the production/supply facilities up and running. By the time that happens Pfizer/Moderna will have created enough vaccine for the world I assume
EDIT - Also if I can get a booster shot made by Pfizer vs. an identical booster shot made by Ffisser, I'm gonna choose the former.
This is probably a pretty minor step in the short run. We need orders of magnitude change, not a shift of 10-20%. The entire global production of the underlying supplies is mostly being used.This could be one of the biggest steps to end COVID in the vast majority of the world's poor countries and if you're against any steps towards the goal of waiving vaccine patents you genuinely don't care about the lives of people in the global South and you should reevaluate your beliefs. Let's hope we finally get some responsible wrangling of vaccine IP going on this planet and also hope it's only one step of many towards treating nations of the world compassionately instead of strictly exploitatively.
Wasn't Gates reasoning because without the proper facilities and protections in place other variants of these vaccines may seem "trust" worthy but untested and potentially dangerous?But benevolent billionaire and friend of Jeffrey Epstein Bill Gates said this is a bad idea...
I'm sure that will be handled by each individual country's regulators.It remains a bad idea without guaranteeing the infrastructure to make the vaccine and principally it's components properly and safely.
This will change very little. As the problem isn't scaling up vaccine production but raw material production waving IPs for vaccines will do very little.This could be one of the biggest steps to end COVID in the vast majority of the world's poor countries and if you're against any steps towards the goal of waiving vaccine patents you genuinely don't care about the lives of people in the global South and you should reevaluate your beliefs. Let's hope we finally get some responsible wrangling of vaccine IP going on this planet and also hope it's only one step of many towards treating nations of the world compassionately instead of strictly exploitatively.
That reasoning reeks of "these poor countries are too stupid to use this information and technology".Wasn't Gates reasoning because without the proper facilities and protections in place other variants of these vaccines may seem "trust" worthy but untested and potentially dangerous?
Not saying he is right though.
That reasoning reeks of "these poor countries are too stupid to use this information and technology".
It should be left to the judgement of each country's regulators and how they decide to proceed, not an American billionaire.
It remains a bad idea without guaranteeing the infrastructure to make the vaccine and principally it's components properly and safely. The fact that we still have diseases worldwide that we've had vaccines for for decades and are now patent-less shows that IP alone is a very minor stumbling block on the whole.
It's not up to him though, he was expressing his opinion.That reasoning reeks of "these poor countries are too stupid to use this information and technology".
It should be left to the judgement of each country's regulators and how they decide to proceed, not an American billionaire.
Most covid vaccine production is in north america or europe
Most covid vaccine production is in north america or europe
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