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The Rise of Skywalker Review Thread: The Sheev Saga Comes to a Close [No Spoilers] (Rottenwatch: 55%; 10% below AOTC) [SEE STAFF POST]
- Thread starter Bor Gullet
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That's something you could say to someone you've never met in your life.
Some of these reviews are pretty terrible to be honest, and not in that they say the film is bad, but how they talk about the film. Everything I've heard is that the film is no better or worse than Return Of The Jedi.
Did you know that Empire made 40% less money than ANH? Would you say that this proves that Empire is much worse than ANH? Middle movies typically make the least. Same was true of PT. First movie gets audiences, and the finale brings them back with the promise that it's the end.
I have no idea what these two takes are about:
- "I don't fault RJ for how this trilogy turned out." Why not? He's responsible for 1/3rd of it and to be honest if I made a list of complaints about the trilogy, his entry would not exactly be free of criticism
- "I wish Rose was around to do more!" Why? Her only purpose seemed to be to rob Finn of agency -- literally incapacitating him twice, "teaching" him "lessons" -- and giving Finn a romantic interest due to TLJ's weird need to make Reylo a thing. What skill did you want to see more of, her telling Finn what to do, or her forcing Finn to do things by zapping him/wrecking his vehicle? (Note: I completely hate the way the fandom treated the actress though.)
- "I don't fault RJ for how this trilogy turned out." Why not? He's responsible for 1/3rd of it and to be honest if I made a list of complaints about the trilogy, his entry would not exactly be free of criticism
- "I wish Rose was around to do more!" Why? Her only purpose seemed to be to rob Finn of agency -- literally incapacitating him twice, "teaching" him "lessons" -- and giving Finn a romantic interest due to TLJ's weird need to make Reylo a thing. What skill did you want to see more of, her telling Finn what to do, or her forcing Finn to do things by zapping him/wrecking his vehicle? (Note: I completely hate the way the fandom treated the actress though.)
Time to bail on keeping up with this thread. It's in the damn title, how hard is it to keep spoilers to yourself, SMH. I'm glad the mods caught it quickly.
Who wouldn't! Return Of The Jedi is a wonderful and enjoyable film. Ending things is almost ALWAYS less satisfying compared to the highs and lows of the middle part of a trilogy. Perhaps The Last Jedi really was that good (I think it's amazing!) but I just cant shake the feeling that many people are just missing the point of Star Wars.
If it "can go anywhere" because the 8th movie out of 9 wrecked what had been built up 'til then... It's not a good result.
What I can't wrap my head around (among other things) about Rian and TLJ is... What was the rush?
Why the need to set up TLJ mere hours after TFA, when letting some unseen story develop in-between would have served character development and the story a lot better?
Instead of resuming right on queue, let's say we catch up ... A year later. Heck, 2 years.
The crawl rapidly mentions the Resistance has been on the run, Rey training with a reluctant Luke, and Finn barely survived but trained a group of ex storm troopers guerilla fighters, while getting noticed by Rose, while Poe developed his command skills and is now third in command with Leia and Holdo, though still very much a hot head which worries them.
Cue unexpected arrival of the First Order at their current location.
Beyond that, TLJ also then rushes to do its treatment in a mere, what, 18hours including a vacation trip to Canto Bight?
No time for character or relationship development either.
Dunno.. TFA already seemed to have this problem, TLJ much moreso imo, and now some say that RoS has it x100.
JJ Abrams was an executive producer on Episode 8, so he knew exactly what was happening when it was being wrote and executed.
The Resistance and Kylo themes are good. The Opening of The Last Jedi is an amazing medley
For the record, so do I, but I think it's fair to say it has a few more flaws than the movie that came before it.
I don't know if people hate it, but it's just a weak movie, especially as a follow up to Empire. The writing is a mess, the characters are inconsistent, and structurally it devotes the first quarter of its run time to wrapping up Empire.
Yeah, it does, but I'm glad it has some really good scenes to make up for them.
Look at Avengers making 1.5 billion then AOU making 1.4. By this second movie argument AOU should have dropped to about 1 billion but it didn't. People make excuses for TLJ but maybe people just didnt want to keep going back to it?
She saves him... The character is able to be in this new movie only beause she did what she did at the end of TLJ...
Yes, clearly no other choice was available to the writers who were making literally every event up, than to have that be the event that was made up
That is the fault of TFA. JJ left the movie on a cliffhanger with Luke standing there. If Rian had skipped forward two years and had Rey say " I met Master Luke and he trained me a bit but in the end I went my own way," people would be furious that we never saw her meet him and all that happened. JJ should have never let the movie end that way because it forced whatever followed to pick up exactly at that point.
I disagree. The first half was exciting an a lot of fun saving Han. Theres no real second act but I honestly don't believe every movie needs a 3 act structure. The end is basically the shining example of how to wrap up a trilogy. Its basically perfect. Until this new one came out and shit on all of it.
Lmao, what are you even comparing? TFA was a phenomenon because SW was coming back to cinemas, specially for US people. TLJ lacked that, and the world doesn't even care that much about star wars as we've seen with the spin offs, i don't see how it's TLJ's fault considering how highly praised it was.
At least the PT has entirely new worlds and designs. There's nothing as original as a pod racer, the spaceships, or naboo in the ST. Being narratively linked makes sense for a prequal. The ST didn't need to be so connected or dependent on what came before.
Episode 8 could have started with Rey and Luke right after TFA, go into that a bit, and then do a time jump. Or the better way of ending the TFA was for Rey to go out looking for Luke, but didn't end up finding him for like a year.
I image the reason for no time skip was that Rian wanted to show people the lightsaber hand over and the fall out of it.
imo Finn, as a character, needed shaping. His defining attributes up to that point were his cowardice and a personal obsession with Rey. Rose is an idealist who drives him to turn his energies toward a greater cause.
I can understand the point of view that Finn feels a bit lead around by the nose, but I also get that his treatment is a side effect of how his character was sketched in TFA.
I'd be fine with fiolini
feige would probably be competent at least, thought I don't think he'd take very many risks. Favreau would be a total fucking disaster.
Star wars isn't hard to grasp.
Lucas ripped off the uh, whats that, last tower? And just had a bare bones basic ass story.
It was coherent, that is the bar. It was cool, and cutting edge scince fiction / lame romance. Its not some grand depth here, which is why its embarrassing that they can't even hit those check boxes. All they had to do was introduce the universe to a new audience with some memorable moments and a journey. Just needed a direction and confidence in it.
Its such a great IP now, with millions of directions to go. They went the most lame-asted route possible with TFA/TLJ/ and seemingly this.
Rogue One had a point, and was confident getting there. It was awesome for what it was.
Yeah, ROTJ is fantastic and the actual 2nd best movie in the franchise
(It's personally my #1)
I came out of the movie. 56% is actually way too much for this movie. If one can call this a movie. It's a collection of fandom's wettest dreams with no coherence and with a flawed logic.
I understand now the comparison with GoT.
I have no desire to watch this mixed tape again.
I understand now the comparison with GoT.
I have no desire to watch this mixed tape again.
Your complaint is Rose taking Agency from Finn in a movie where she's actually the one that saves him, and gives him a whole new movie to have agency in ROTS.
At 73 Rotten reviews it now has more Rotten reviews than TFA and TLJ combined. I'm kind of shocked to be honest.
I thought this would be a surefire crowd pleaser that would scrape together enough fun moments that critics would easily recommend it. Instead it seems to straddle the line of mediocrity enough that's causing more critics to give it a negative review.
It makes me even more curious to see it. I can't imagine I won't like it. I'm used to not loving individual Star Wars films, but I like all of them. So looking forward to Friday!
I thought this would be a surefire crowd pleaser that would scrape together enough fun moments that critics would easily recommend it. Instead it seems to straddle the line of mediocrity enough that's causing more critics to give it a negative review.
It makes me even more curious to see it. I can't imagine I won't like it. I'm used to not loving individual Star Wars films, but I like all of them. So looking forward to Friday!
People are either gonna like it or it'll flounder like Batman vs Superman.
Fair enough. I do think the ending of ROTJ is really good and a good culmination of the franchise at that point. But I don't think the movie itself delivers at all. It's not a bad movie. It's not "prequels bad" or even regular bad. But I think it's really weak and has more faults than merits over all. The nonsensical plot to save Han takes me out of the movie a lot. Then once they get Han, it's like the movie starts properly.
I just don't like that at all. I don't enjoy watching ROTJ even though I like things from it. I really like Ewoks, as well, contrary to some.
Rian couldn't set TLJ two years after TFA because TFA ends with Rey encountering Luke.
Unless they somehow made it that Rey is meeting Luke 2 years right after the scene beforehand in TFA. But that would make no sense in the timeline.
The only other way is for TLJ to take place two years after Rey first meets Luke, but that would also make no sense.
Yep, I didn't enjoy it as much as ESB or ANH but it was still a really good movie.
So what I'm getting is tier 3 fans will love it, but tier 2 and below might enjoy it but have many reservations
Rey's theme is a lot longer than five notes and Kylo has more than one theme. Williams' score on this movie is fantastic, the most inspired he's been in years.
They could have started it 2 years into her training and flash backed to that moment they met
Keep in mind also that there were multiple movies in between A1 and A2, so A2 was more like a second ending movie (same as A1) for a series, not a middle-entry. In any case, you've already undercut your entire argument. If you insist that middle movies make less money because they are worse, then you are saying ESB was worse. In the end, box office gross can go either way in an argument about the quality of a movie. Would you argue that Jurassic World is better than ANH, ESB, or ROTJ? Because it certainly made more. Throw movies like Transformers in there, too.
You are free to dislike any movie you want, but claiming that a single specific fact about a movie's gross (that fits into historic patterns with other middle-movies) proves something is simply incorrect.
56% is just how many people liked it, not the score.
Whats your score? 4/10?