Theyre working in an at home enviroment during the middle of a pandemic, not only that, the game is still in the middle of development, any resources they take to polish footage for showing takes away resources from active development. The game is at least 2 years away from launch and i have no doubt theyll release the game when they feel ok with it. From what ive heard the team has a clear vision, Anthem and Andromeda had inumerous development problems thats wont be present in this project.You're choosing to show off your game now and you just work with whatever you have open at the time? That's a whole other red flag man.
It had a whole year delay and was still a mess of a game.
My overall point is this - based off of yet another "It's us talking over wireframes and concept art and maybe a zoom through a half done zone" video, which is exactly what Andromeda and Anthem did - if this game is out in 2022 it will be Yet Another Bioware crushing disappointment.
Inquisition had issues with quest design in a number of its regions and design issues from limitations of having to be cross gen, but no, it wasn't a mess.You're choosing to show off your game now and you just work with whatever you have open at the time? That's a whole other red flag man.
It had a whole year delay and was still a mess of a game.
My overall point is this - based off of yet another "It's us talking over wireframes and concept art and maybe a zoom through a half done zone" video, which is exactly what Andromeda and Anthem did - if this game is out in 2022 it will be Yet Another Bioware crushing disappointment.
Inquisition had issues with quest design in a number of its regions and design issues from limitations of having to be cross gen, but no, it wasn't a mess.
Calling it a mess was unfair in my part. I'd call the game fine if the DLC hadn't been SO damn good.
Here's inquisition a year before release
30 minutes of Dragon Age: Inquisition Gameplay Leaked
Over 30 minutes of Dragon Age: Inquisition gameplay has leaked online. The off-screen gameplay footage was captured at the Finnish show DigiExpo. The game is clearly in pre-alpha, which can be seen in the video below. Dragon Age: Inquisition definitely looks good and is bright and colourful...www.nerdbite.com
They go from wireframes to that in a year?
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I think you're confusing that with the first Anthem demo, which, indeed, was not the game actually running but rather a target to demo the flying mechanics.Isn't this the Demo that was created to show something off and was basically fake? Lol
The last we heard of work conditions at BioWare was about a year ago, and that was when Casey Hudson was promising changes in how projects were managed. It's not impossible that things are better now, given quite a few devs were already satisfied with the way Joplin - DA4's first iteration - was being handled.I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand Dragon Age is one of my favorite series, I'm all in on it, read the novels and comics and all that. But it makes me uncomfortable seeing a fluff piece about how much everyone loves working on the new Dragon Age when we know a lot of the people working on the last one left the company because of how terrible working at Bioware is. Not to mention the fact that this is the, what, third iteration of "Dragon Age 4" they've begun work on? I'd have rather they just not shown anything than show THIS.
I think you're confusing that with the first Anthem demo, which, indeed, was not the game actually running but rather a target to demo the flying mechanics.
The demo in the article is this one:
This was shown behind doors. It's what appears to be an early version of Crestwood, that featured a different quest line and the presentation promised some features that didn't make the cut. But it wasn't fake, it was actually a WIP of the game.
Have you seen the video? None of that looks scripted, it plays exactly like what Inquisition turned out to be. What people complained about was that it missed features and choices from that presentation. It's a very different Crestwood, but it's not fake gameplay.The map and assets were real, but the gameplay wasn't if I remember correctly, it was entirely scripted.
The shitty DLC practice of releasing big expansions for a fair price?Given Bioware's track record and their shitty DLC practices unless they blow people away as witcher 3 did I'll just wait for the complete edition bargain bin on this one I think. DA2 + ME3 was such a sucker punch of eroding my faith in the studio and honestly it saved me from andromeda(haven't touched it) and anthem(played one of the open betas). Let's keep the streak going of good decisions.
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I think the reason people didnt care for him is probably due to many people just thinking kaiden = Carth from Kotor mainly due to same Voice actor.
Have you seen the video? None of that looks scripted, it plays exactly like what Inquisition turned out to be. What people complained about was that it missed features and choices from that presentation. It's a very different Crestwood, but it's not fake gameplay.
The shitty DLC practice of releasing big expansions for a fair price?
The shitty DLC practice of finishing off main game story points in your DLC. Inquisition is a much lesser game without trespasser and pretty sure the next game is going to assume that trespasser happened. I'm sure to fans that seems like a defendable thing for whatever reason but I honestly don't care when other games I like aren't doing that and feel that much better for it.
I agree companion DLC at launch is shitty, but I don't get the other stuff. If they can't have story DLC, then they can't have books, comics, etc. And I won't presume to know that they could have had trespasser content ready for launch.The shitty DLC practice of finishing off main game story points in your DLC. Inquisition is a much lesser game without trespasser and pretty sure the next game is going to assume that trespasser happened. I'm sure to fans that seems like a defendable thing for whatever reason but I honestly don't care when other games I like aren't doing that and feel that much better for it.
Having Companion content as DLC feels shitty as well to me.
Paying full price for Bioware DLC would just make me feel shitty at the value/price proposition every time. Meanwhile other games hand significant content out for free or make sure that it will feel worth it by basically being expansions. The way for example Witcher 3 handled itself with that type of stuff felt a lot better to me.
Basically Bioware never made me feel good about buying their games at launch since forever and the quality of recent titles doesn't justify itself to me to get over that fact vs just waiting stuff out and get a full package at bargain bin price.
I think you're confusing that with the first Anthem demo, which, indeed, was not the game actually running but rather a target to demo the flying mechanics.
The demo in the article is this one:
This was shown behind doors. It's what appears to be an early version of Crestwood, that featured a different quest line and the presentation promised some features that didn't make the cut. But it wasn't fake, it was actually a WIP of the game.
I'm probably in the minority but I actually wish they'd soft reboot the story. Trying to connect all these different threads from all the different games, some of which are massively impactful on the world, seems like more of a negative than a positive at this point. I just wouldn't mind seeing a bit of a fresh start where they can craft a more cohesive narrative without worrying about how The Warden, Hawke, The Inquisitor, Morrigan, etc. all fit in. Though I guess it would probably upset a lot of people if they did that.
That's my fault, I was going to do it when we migrated to Resetera in the first place, but breaking into the dev world at the same time took me away from it. Helped me find my SO though! I thought I saw something about Delphine working on it now but I could be wrong.
That's my fault, I was going to do it when we migrated to Resetera in the first place, but breaking into the dev world at the same time took me away from it. Helped me find my SO though! I thought I saw something about Delphine working on it now but I could be wrong.
Thanks bud, miss the discord. It's fintech not gamedev, but that just means I get to spend more time with loved ones.DUDE! You entered an incredible industry and literally found your SO. That is amazing. And easily the best excuse for not creating a forum thread on the internet that I have ever read.
I'll ask Delphine about it! I bet that'd mean we'd have one heck of a good community thread.
Witcher 3 had story focused expansions that felt satisfying on their own and weren't places where they solved main story things in. They were exciting side adventures. There is a difference between that and what Bioware did with Trespasser. I'm all in favor of story DLC it just shouldn't make me feel stupid for buying the full game on launch don't think that's a wild ask but to each their own.I agree companion DLC at launch is shitty, but I don't get the other stuff. If they can't have story DLC, then they can't have books, comics, etc. And I won't presume to know that they could have had trespasser content ready for launch.
If you wanna get into Dragon Age, I'd recommend starting from the beginning. I love all the games but Origins is still the best one and it's the perfect introduction to the world so there's no reason to skip it. If you start with Inquisition you'll probably feel a bit lost and the story and lore revelations aren't gonna hit as hard.
The world didn't really get "interesting" and more unique until Inquisition, hell even for all of it's faults, 2 introduced a lot of interesting and weird stuff to the series. Made it go a long way from just being "dark fantasy #12043392"
Inquisition I'd argue made the setting, world building, and writing of Origins and 2 retroactively better.Delphine has been working on it for a while now. They told me to @ them if they forgot (or got too busy) again. Well, good as time as any.
I still maintain that while Origins is a good introduction...
The world didn't really get "interesting" and more unique until Inquisition, hell even for all of it's faults, 2 introduced a lot of interesting and weird stuff to the series. Made it go a long way from just being "dark fantasy #12043392"
Jedi Fallen Order and it sold really wellHas EA released a single-player only game after DA:I? Something like The Witcher 3 or the Assassin's Creeds? I feel like Dragon Age is some kind of pet project who needed its flag-bearers to keep justifying its existence, like Beyond Good & Evil 2, while EA just wanted Anthem for Bioware.
ME Andromeda was a SP game. Yeah, there was an MP component but DAI had one too.
How you feel about the quality of the DLC is irrelevant to it being a shitty practice or not. Every expansion BioWare released since Mass Effect 2 has included a good amount of content, the DLC for Inquisition being exceptionally packed. It's not just Trespasser, Jaws of Hakkon included an entire new region with its own quest line and side quests.The shitty DLC practice of finishing off main game story points in your DLC. Inquisition is a much lesser game without trespasser and pretty sure the next game is going to assume that trespasser happened. I'm sure to fans that seems like a defendable thing for whatever reason but I honestly don't care when other games I like aren't doing that and feel that much better for it.
Having Companion content as DLC feels shitty as well to me.
Paying full price for Bioware DLC would just make me feel shitty at the value/price proposition every time. Meanwhile other games hand significant content out for free or make sure that it will feel worth it by basically being expansions. The way for example Witcher 3 handled itself with that type of stuff felt a lot better to me.
Basically Bioware never made me feel good about buying their games at launch since forever and the quality of recent titles doesn't justify itself to me to get over that fact vs just waiting stuff out and get a full package at bargain bin price.
No what's irrelevant is your opinion vs mine on MY purchasing decisions for Bioware games.How you feel about the quality of the DLC is irrelevant to it being a shitty practice or not. Every expansion BioWare released since Mass Effect 2 has included a good amount of content, the DLC for Inquisition being exceptionally packed. It's not just Trespasser, Jaws of Hakkon included an entire new region with its own quest line and side quests.
I'd love to see what non-F2P and MTX-free game is releasing big DLC like that for free.
Witcher 3 does all that in their expansions without making me regret giving them full price money like bioware games make me regret purchasing them at full price do, as I already said above. :)I mean, if you don't want DLC to extend world building, lore, and overall narrative, you do you.
It... objectively doesn't do what I said though, it adds new areas to the world- ala Jaws of Hakkon, but has nothing analogous to Trespasser.Witcher 3 does all that in their expansions without making me regret giving bioware games full price money as I already said above. :)
Yes Witcher 3 indeed avoids paywalling mainstory payoff through DLC if that's what you meant yeah def not a fan of that and any game that does that I definitely would be inclined to just wait for bargain bin complete edition. I prefer to have the main game deal with the main story and have DLC be exciting sidestories.I mean, if you don't want DLC to extend world building, lore, and overall narrative, you do you.
It... objectively doesn't do what I said though, it adds new areas to the world- ala Jaws of Hakkon, but has nothing analogous to Trespasser.
So you just don't want main story content. That's obviously bad, and it's what makes Inquisition and it's subsequent content so compelling. I didn't get W3 content until it was on sale since while good, there wasn't anything as compelling as continuing the story of Inquisition.Yes Witcher 3 indeed avoids paywalling mainstory payoff through DLC if that's what you meant yeah def not a fan of that and any game that does that I definitely would be inclined to just wait for bargain bin complete edition.
Only if there can be a discussion about what qunari sweat tastes like......
Yes I don't want main story content in my DLC I'd prefer if they keep that for the full games. It's cool if you disagree for me it just always makes me feel shitty for buying a game at full price where I have to then shell out more for the DLC to get the full context before jumping into the next game.So you just don't want main story content. That's obviously bad, and it's what makes Inquisition and it's subsequent content so compelling.
You don't really need to? It was exciting content, but contextually for the following game there's little that needs to be explained that couldn't be done in a single conversation or less. I guess they didn't have to do it, but that just means the content wouldn't have outright existed.Yes I don't want main story content in my DLC I'd prefer if they keep that for the full games. It's cool if you disagree for me it just always makes me feel shitty for buying a game at full price where I have to then shell out more for the DLC to get the full context before jumping into the next game.