If we're talking about the new trilogy as a whole then oh yeah its not even close
TLJ is better but since TRoS exists, you are correct.
You definitely miss an entire tier of understanding if you are watching this show without having seen Rebels. It would be a little like watching the Prequels without seeing the OT.
So is R-5 the same droid (the one with the bad motivator) that Luke's uncle tried to buy in A New Hope?
Chapter 9 was cool I enjoyed a lot but I gotta say it's funny how Mando did all this shit for those people and achieved nothing on his "main quest" lmao at least he didn't got out empty handed
Huh? What in Rebels (so far) has been vital for this show outside of last season's finale? (And even then, questionable)
A big chunk of Mandalore backstory, structure and history. I didn't say it was vital or mandatory, but it adds a layer of understanding. I was being glib with the reference to the OT/Prequels.
I would say it's about as mediocre as The Force Awakens, which makes it better than TRoS and worse than The Last Jedi.
Ah yeah, true. I'd throw Clone Wars in there as well then.
I didn't realize Cobb was a big character in Aftermath. Aftermath fans are getting some serious representation with this and ROTS.
Boba never had accelerated aging, Jango specifically asked for a clone without that to raise as a son.
A big chunk of Mandalore backstory, structure and history. I didn't say it was vital or mandatory, but it adds a layer of understanding. I was being glib with the reference to the OT/Prequels.
It's no surprise to me that Moff Gideon had the Darksaber. That's literally the one thing someone like Sabine Wren could use to reunite the Mandalorians and I'm sure that's why it's even there. As cool as it'll be to see Ahsoka, I think it's Sabine that will be the more important character to appear.
People who bash the show for not having a ton of depth or character development (for our Mando) must've forgotten or ignore the fact that the show is HEAVILY influenced, or just IS - a spaghetti western. The fact that this dude has a name is depth for that genre :P
Star Wars delving into other genres of storytelling is pretty much exactly what the doctor ordered, IMO.
I'm loving it. Can't wait for more.
Yup. My favorite movie of all time "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" Eastwood wears the exact stoic expression for nearly 3 hours. This is a Western, and unapologetically so
This statement is hard to agree with considering the quality of TLJ, combined with the decent foundation-laying of TFA.
He's definitely gonna try and get his armor back first thing. My hope is that they'll have Fett doing a reconnecting plot, and becoming a Mandalorian.Just trying to guess what's Fett's angle for this season. Best guess, mando is searching for jedi, Fett hates Jedi and I assume would really want to kill the man responsible for the whole reason he ended up almost dead, Luke. So they would be searching for the same thing.
Sabine is just heavily rumored, especially with Ahsoka considering Rebels' ending.Are we getting Sabine? I haven't been following the show's production.
I think one thing working against Mando in this comparison is that while the leads in spaghetti westerns were pretty thinly written, guys like Eastwood and Van Cleef and Nero could exude a lot of charisma and badassery with just a look. Mando has a helmet working against him in that regard; the armor has to carry the charisma more than the man underneath it.
Can this thread not turn into another sequel trilogy argument thread, PLEASE. All the arguments have been heard and literally the only person who gives a shit about what y'all are saying is you.
huh?
that was just dialogue for people to realize how big the dragon is.
Cobb is not asking if the bones represent the dragon, he aks if the size is to scale.
He doesn't, he's only seen the head and part of the neck.
It made sense to me? You have a settler who's only seen the the head and neck of an underground creature when it comes out to attack vs the people who've had 1000s of years of experience with krayt dragons, of course they'd know the size of it better.Omg lol a person can extrapolate how big something is especially if it is well known and pestering your town for a long period of time. Worse than that if it is notorious if anything your imagination would make it even larger. I think it was stupid dialogue but just one example. I love the action set pieces but the script is dogshit.
You have a settler who's only seen the the head and neck of an underground creature when it comes out to attack vs the people who've had 1000s of years of experience with krayt dragons, of course they'd know the size of it better.
Oh yeah I see, they definitely should've had him say something like "is this to scale?"My problem isn't with the sand people knowing it's size. I don't think you understood my posts. It's the dialogue. A better thing for Olyphant to say in that moment would have been "It's than big?" That would have indicated that he was unclear on it's size. Him saying "what are the bones" when it's obvious what they represented was just dumb and made him look like an idiot.
Oh yeah I see, they definitely should've had him say something like "is this to scale?"
Overall I'm not even disagreeing a lot with you there, and would argue it's a matter of taste. Like, I enjoy the John Wick movies, but I know what they are and what they not are. Keanu gives a servicable performance, the worldbuilding is great, and the story is minimal and more plot-heavy. Is it fun? Yeah, I think so, it's well made for what it is. Is in the same tier as something like Fury Road? Nah probably not.
Could it be better? Yeah, for sure. Mando was at its most interesting towards the end and during its more intimate moments, but for now it's just kinda innocent fun to see a guy in badass armour do some shit in the SW universe like hunting down a dragon.
That's how I see it. I would however be very disappointed if the Kenobi show followed the same pattern.
A lot of you seem to be under the impression that Star Wars was a series known for its deep, snappy dialogue, and well-fleshed out, original, non-archetype characters before Mandalorian.
A lot of you seem to be under the impression that Star Wars was a series known for its deep, snappy dialogue, and well-fleshed out, original, non-archetype characters before Mandalorian.
A lot of you seem to be under the impression that Star Wars was a series known for its deep, snappy dialogue, and well-fleshed out, original, non-archetype characters before Mandalorian.
Are we getting Sabine? I haven't been following the show's production.
I like how Timothy Olyphant didn't wear the helmet for 90% of the episode because he is Timothy Olyphant and the audience needs to see he is Timothy Olyphant.
I don't know, but there are rumours both Sabine and Bo Katan are in this season. I'm hoping they're true because Mandalore being rebuilt would be a fantastic storyline but, at the same time, I kinda don't want The Mandalorian bogged down by something as grand as that.
You don't hire a face like that and hide it! 😅
Are we getting Sabine? I haven't been following the show's production.
Sabine is just heavily rumored, especially with Ahsoka considering Rebels' ending.
However she was probably one of the lower tiers of rumored characters.
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Ahsoka
Boba
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Vanth
Bo-Katan
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Sabine
Rex
Just trying to guess what's Fett's angle for this season. Best guess, mando is searching for jedi, Fett hates Jedi and I assume would really want to kill the man responsible for the whole reason he ended up almost dead, Luke. So they would be searching for the same thing.
Nobody claims that. But the OT and ST do way more compelling things with archetype heroes (and TLJ at least tries to bring more to it by questioning some archetypes and focussing on thematic storytelling). Nobody expects Mando to have The Wire or Breaking Bad level of storytelling, but truth is it doesn't even reach the quality of the OT or ST in it's writing.
I'm not saying it shouldn't have better writing, just that I don't see it as worse than any other SW stuff outside of Clone Wars.Fair enough. I just, personally, don't see it as noticeably worse.
I agree but there is nothing wrong with wanting to elevate something especially when the bar for TV is so high these days. I enjoy the show but I want to love it and the bad dialogue really shows in a long format like TV. In a movie everything is moving so fast but in a TV show there are more valleys than peaks and dialogue being good is very important and keeps you immersed. I feel like when I watch this show I'm just waiting for the action and groaning when anyone talks. The Mandalorian is written ok but almost everyone else has been really bad imo.
Just trying to guess what's Fett's angle for this season. Best guess, mando is searching for jedi, Fett hates Jedi and I assume would really want to kill the man responsible for the whole reason he ended up almost dead, Luke. So they would be searching for the same thing.
Oh I thought you didn't like the latest episode, sorry.I would be fine with a innocent fun series where we follow a badass character doing cool shit. I'm a huge fan of the Man With No Name films Mando takes a lot of queues from for instance. But if you go for this style, you need compelling stories, which imo the first season rarely provided (and when they did, they often had cringeworthy moments due to below par performances or wonky effects).
The reason I liked the first episode of S2 was because it offered exactly that. I still think hiding your main character behind a mask and giving him a monotone tone of voice really hurts the ability to care, but couple him with a good side character (which S1 lacked imo) and you go a long way to fix that somewhat.
Omg lol a person can extrapolate how big something is especially if it is well known and pestering your town for a long period of time. Worse than that if it is notorious if anything your imagination would make it even larger. I think it was stupid dialogue but just one example. I love the action set pieces but the script is dogshit.
This is what I'm hoping for! I wanna see how they develop them as members of two different diasporas: Din as being more in line with the Mandalorians even though he was adopted and Boba as having a heritage claim to being Mandalorian but not identifying with them maybe? Like having Din talk about the code and teachings that he was taught in his enclave vs what Jango taught Boba before he was killed. Maybe Boba would even reject them?I'm seeing a different angle. Both of them carrying the heritage of the Mandalorian without ever really being a part of it. Mando as an orphan raised by them, but never really belonging. And Boba, a clone of a man born to Mandalore but never a part of it. But both their identities are so tied up with the Mandalorian armor they wear. Now with their culture and history destroyed by the empire, they need to figure out who they really are.
My guess is they ultimately decide to reclaim the Darksaber (used by the first Mandalorian as a symbol of ruling) from Moff Gideon and use it to unite the scattered remnants of their people.
Oh I thought you didn't like the latest episode, sorry.
I'd however argue that Mando is only stylistically aligned with the Man With No Name trilogy. Those old Westerns were a lot more deliberate with their storytelling and subtler in their characterisation than Mando is, which is why I brought up the John Wick example, as I find Mando to be more similar to that type of movie (or even Dredd). I would however agree that most of Mandos adventures in S1 were somewhat underdeveloped - hunting a fucking dragon is lit af, something like "The Gunslinger" however kind of took the momentum out of the season.
I guess they're just kinda trying to play it safe. S1 didn't have much direction and didn't quite know what to do with its characters, which I didn't quite mind, but it's something that would get stale for this season.
And I expect Kenobi to be more like an actual Western actually.
This statement is hard to agree with considering the quality of TLJ, combined with the decent foundation-laying of TFA.
So far The Mandalorian hasn't contributed anything truly substantial to the Star Wars universe. I'm talking about characters and themes that are meaningful to the broader saga. At best, the show is a buffet for fans who love world building through side stories.
I myself really like stories that take place at the margins of the mainline series, so The Mandalorian is right up my alley. But Season 1 is half baked. The storytelling is scattershot, the quality of the subplots and direction vary widely between episodes, and none of the characters have any real dimension.
The Mandalorian's post-RotJ setting is super interesting, but seriously underutilized. Do I want to see the fallout of the Empire crumbling without its leader? Do I want to see how different people from different factions are coping with the instability rippling through galactic society? Hell yes I do! But so far, the show hasn't been interested in seriously exploring that beyond cursory references. It hasn't hitched Mando's activities to a cohesive movement toward any big-picture goal or event, besides the vague idea of taking Baby Yoda to safety. If this show wants to be a small-scale character-driven story, I'm all for it. But if that's the case, the characters have to be more than their outfit or their species. They need depth. They need to resonate with the themes that shape the past and future of Star Wars.
Sure, Mando has an arc where he goes from a ruthless mercenary to a guardian and freelance do-gooder, but where's the emotional core and the compelling conflict? Why should we care about this guy and his change of heart, besides the fact that he's cool and he has a cute lil' companion that we like?
If he's so attached to Baby Yoda that he's willing to be a fugitive and make loads of enemies just to protect the kid, why does the show send mixed signals with Mando's negligence? He lets every random stranger see Baby Yoda, he constantly leaves him alone or in the care of random people, and he drifts from place to place getting himself tangled in the troubles of others.
Season 2 looks like it will at least try to address some of the first season's shortcomings in terms of engaging with the interesting setting and time frame, establishing the story's relevance to the greater Star Wars saga, and properly developing the characters. But so far, no, The Mandalorian is well behind Episodes 7 and 8 for now. It's an entertaining and occasionally very cool and Star Warsey show that just doesn't have as much meat on its bones as a full film, despite having many more hours to build a richer story.