Can't wait for this to be succes and watch cry babies go silent
yea fucken own those noobs
(i do want it to be good)
Can't wait for this to be succes and watch cry babies go silent
From what I gather, and I've tried to stay in the dark as much as I can allow myself, it's based in the Second Age around the time Sauron tricked Celebrimbor into helping him forge the Rings of Power (The Three of the Elves, the Seven of the Dwarves and the Nine of Men). Galadriel was known to be one of the most powerful of the Noldor elves. I've never read the Silmarillion and my knowledge of the second age is suuuuuper limited, but I am stoked for this show.Should probably also say 'based on the work of Peter Jackson' because holly shit have their cribbed the aesthetic from the films. I mean it is a good aesthetic, but that is a huge bite.
Also, I am not that familiar with the series outside of the LoTR and the Hobbit, but what is the premise here? It seems to be starring Galadriel as a warrior...which is interesting.
Imagine if the Peter Jackson movies released today and the neckbeards found out that Arwen replaced Glorfindel.
Galadriel is probably one of the biggest bad-asses going by the time the Third Age rolls around. She's seen some serious shit.Should probably also say 'based on the work of Peter Jackson' because holly shit have their cribbed the aesthetic from the films. I mean it is a good aesthetic, but that is a huge bite.
Also, I am not that familiar with the series outside of the LoTR and the Hobbit, but what is the premise here? It seems to be starring Galadriel as a warrior...which is interesting.
I think meteor man is this guy based on shots in the trailer of interactions with harfoots and doesn't seem Sauron like
Should probably also say 'based on the work of Peter Jackson' because holly shit have their cribbed the aesthetic from the films. I mean it is a good aesthetic, but that is a huge bite.
I know he's not supposed to be there in the 2nd age, but I really wonder if Meteor Man/Man Who Appears Friendly To Hobbits is going to be
young Gandalf because they want Gandalf in for the general viewing public. That will send some people into a fit I'm sure.
Should probably also say 'based on the work of Peter Jackson' because holly shit have their cribbed the aesthetic from the films. I mean it is a good aesthetic, but that is a huge bite.
There is no such thing as "young Gandalf." Gandalf's true form isn't human at all, but he chose to appear in the guise of an old man because it would make it easier for him to gain influence in human courts without appearing threatening. He has always appeared as an old man to humans and does not age. He's closer to a god, or rather, a god's avatar, than he is to being human.
And no wonder. AFAIK, the budget for the first season of this show is much bigger than the entire cost of the LOTR trilogy put together.
There is no such thing as "young Gandalf." Gandalf's true form isn't human at all, but he chose to appear in the guise of an old man because it would make it easier for him to gain influence in human courts without appearing threatening. He has always appeared as an old man to humans and does not age. He's closer to a god, or rather, a god's avatar, than he is to being human.
Racism and sexism. There are some people who are extremely negative on this show because of casting choices and how Galadriel is front and center.
Fuck 'em. Galadriel is awesome, the casting is awesome, the trailers have been awesome, there is absolutely room for diversity in Middle Earth. I hope the show is insanely successful and all of these asshats feel sad and alone while the rest of us enjoy, what appears to be so far, a great show.
Tolkien isn't Lovecraft, but he was an aristocratic British guy in the early 1900s. He definitely had some racist views and it's all over LotR. But it's old timey British racism where the problem isn't necessarily your skin color, it's your breeding stock and your culture. Here's what he said about OrcsBut there are characters who are white and bad though as well (Boromir, The steward of Gondor, Saruman, The Unfaithful Numoreans, Annatar).
Tolkien was simply writing English mythology based heavily on Finnish/Celtic and Norse mythology. Did you know no Dwarves skin color is ever mentioned?
Tolkien also wrote later in life that the blue wizards succeeded in the east, and the war of the rings would have been lost without that. Therefore we know there are good non-white people as well.
So again, Tolkien had some questionable views in modern times because he was born in the late 1800s. But to say his work was steeped in racism is just not true.
When talking about the Uruk-hai, treebeard mentions saruman possibly crossbred Orcs and Men, calling it a black evil. When lining up that with his thoughts on them being mongols, it aligns with western European fears about immigrants coming in and ruining British culture. This led to a lot of interest in eugenics and talk of keeping bloodlines "pure" in his time. Then add in the only people of color in the books are brown skinned men from the East who join the evil side. And the entire book is about defending the rapidly declining civilization in the "West" from this rising evil in the Eastsquat, broad, flat-nosed, sallow-skinned, with wide mouths and slant eyes: in fact degraded and repulsive versions of the (to Europeans) least lovely Mongol-types.
Not necessarily harmful, but then you remember dwarves love jewels and especially gold, and their greed for it leads to their downfall.I do think of the 'Dwarves' like Jews: at once native and alien in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue"
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The dwarves of course are quite obviously, wouldn't you say that in many ways they remind you of the Jews? Their words are Semitic, obviously, constructed to be Semitic.
I've mentioned it before but i'd almost feel like if LOTR(books or movie) released today, Arwen would probably merge with or replace Legolas evenImagine if the Peter Jackson movies released today and the neckbeards found out that Arwen replaced Glorfindel.
We will see the entire second age. The show will adapt and condense all events of that age into one Numenorian lifetime (Ilsidur).I like it but it looks like it takes place at the end of the second age. When this was announced I had the impression it was going to be set at the beginning of the second age so I'm a bit disappointed but that's on me. I would like to see peak Numenor before the fall but we'll get instead creepy Numenor, which is not bad, mind you.
I guess Elendil and Gil-Galad will be the big heroes with Galadriel doing work in the shadows.
I never said he wasn't racist, I said he was a guy born in the late 1800s so he definitely had some problematic views. But to call his books "steeped" with racism I do not think is fair.Tolkien isn't Lovecraft, but he was an aristocratic British guy in the early 1900s. He definitely had some racist views and it's all over LotR. But it's old timey British racism where the problem isn't necessarily your skin color, it's your breeding stock and your culture. Here's what he said about Orcs
When talking about the Uruk-hai, treebeard mentions saruman possibly crossbred Orcs and Men, calling it a black evil. When lining up that with his thoughts on them being mongols, it aligns with western European fears about immigrants coming in and ruining British culture. This led to a lot of interest in eugenics and talk of keeping bloodlines "pure" in his time. Then add in the only people of color in the books are brown skinned men from the East who join the evil side. And the entire book is about defending the rapidly declining civilization in the "West" from this rising evil in the East
Here's him on dwarves
Not necessarily harmful, but then you remember dwarves love jewels and especially gold, and their greed for it leads to their downfall.
As for there being bad white people, Tolkien's views again come up with Boromir and his father. Remember how gandalf explains how Gondor fell because the line of kings died and it passed to the rule of "lesser men"? How weak and cowardly Denethor is, and how great Gondor will be at the end of the books because it's rightful King by blood has been restored? Again, the topic of pure bloodlines being good and how bad it is to mix them comes up.
Again, Tolkien isn't Lovecraft but idk how you can say he wasn't racist and how that isn't all over his writings. He was pretty normal for his time but that doesn't give him a pass
Yes… They have first age rights now.I thought it has been made clear that Amazon did NOT have the rights to The Silmarillion and therefore couldn't show show anything from the First Age?
DId they renegotiate with the Tolkien Estate or something?
I've heard anything definitive, but I think they can get stuff piecemeal.I thought it has been made clear that Amazon did NOT have the rights to The Silmarillion and therefore couldn't show show anything from the First Age?
DId they renegotiate with the Tolkien Estate or something?
For real. Toxic fandom has reached full blown parody levels.
Just don't engage is what I can say. Resist. Ignore. Block. Don't give them the attention they desire.
And based on some trash I've seen around the internet, it's because the movie has black cast members. They've already decided to hate the existence of this show because of it. This is going to be the next series that gets review bombed in user scores by racist white people, which is yet another example as to why user scores and comment sections need to just disappear. The average person that reads comment sections stumbles on this fake feedback and think, "oh no the show's really bad then? :("
Yeah I'm pretty sure the contract they signed for the rights came with a 5-season commitment. Maybe they could renegotiate if the show is disastrous, but it sounds like we're more or less locked in for at least that longso this show would have to get renewed for multiple seasons almost automatically because they sunk so much money into it right?
Nah, I imagine they'll do a good job in contextualizing everything for the audience like the films did. Not to mention that they may have to navigate around certain use rights and change up elements/timelines to work in a show format, so knowing the source material is only going to go so far.This looks neat, but.... As someone who never read anything outside of the main LotR trilogy (and even that was decades ago) and who knows fuck-all about ancient LotR lore, will I be completely lost watching this? 🤔
Yeah, hopefully. Or I can just ask lore questions in the OT :DNah, I imagine they'll do a good job in contextualizing everything for the audience like the films did. Not to mention that they may have to navigate around certain use rights and change up elements/timelines to work in a show format, so knowing the source material is only going to go so far.
Massive amounts of pre production will surely be reused across seasons
This looks neat, but.... As someone who never read anything outside of the main LotR trilogy (and even that was decades ago) and who knows fuck-all about ancient LotR lore, will I be completely lost watching this? 🤔
Holy damn this was amazing. I'm hyped.I wonder if 3:52 is a hint at howard shore main theme for the show? Sounds epic as shit anyways.
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