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Iron Eddie

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How do I not understand how pricing works? Who the fuck else is launching their same games ten years later at a price 10 dollars higher than what they originally launched at? Especially seeing as all the assets are the same. Is this secretly a norm in the industry and I just don't "understand" how it works? Come on dude, fact is nobody else is doing shit like this lmao and when did I ever say that Sony isn't greedy as well?? What? I'm not on a team dude, I'll call bullshit when I see it regardless of the company
The market determines value. If people will buy Pikmin 3 and Donkey Kong ports at full price, they will buy Zelda.
If other companies could sell millions of ports at full price they would.
If you dont agree with the price, just dont buy the game. Or buy it when its on sale or a used copy. I dont get these complaints.
Switch games tend to hold their prices really well unfortunately. Luckily for me, I've never played Skyward Sword, so I can somewhat justify paying full price here.
will buy this for no more than £30, and that honestly feels generous for the scope of this remaster. I guess I'll have to get lucky on ebay or at a carboot sale in 10 years lol.

I found this video actually pretty great and quite rational because at the end of the day value is perceived differently for everyone.




I do hope though that they add some new content much like the new Mario 3D World and Bowser's Fury. That to me was excellent value.
 
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I'm sorry but Activison remade the entire Spyro and Crash trilogy from the ground up and sold both at 40 dollars for a bundle of THREE full blown games. I wish people would stop buying these overpriced ports. The games are great...but cmon.

I thought the Links Awakening remake was a rip off too, but at least it required effort put into it.
Nintendo fans will just say those games are trash compared to their game and you should be grateful Nintendo even gracing us with a presence of another port.

You're talking to brick wall when you ask Nintendo to be better or at least their fans to expect more out of them. Their games will always be overpriced and have bad online, it's all they know and it's been working out for them. I will not be shocked to see a $70 remake of the Oracle games in a few years.
 

Garlador

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Oct 30, 2017
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Awesome. I'm actually interested in trying the motion controls again, but it'll be nice to have the button alternative

Hoping for those obvious QoL improvements, too. Should be a lay-up for Nintendo but they often miss those.

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It's quite the price hike.

And can I also admit that as someone who has always associated the series with nice, shiny gold, I'm not that into the blue controllers. I could literally make those myself with some waterslide decals or something.

But if they were GOLD...
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LegendofLex

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In many ways I feel Skyward sword is the classic zelda formula at its absolute best.

The merging of the overworld and dungeon is brilliant.

The dungeons and puzzles themselves, the bosses, the soundtrack and art style are all phenomenal.

Some revisions and QOL changes will hopefully go a long way to improving the impression this game leaves with most player.

As I'm aware I'm in a minority that loves the game.
Honestly, if SS had an interconnected overworld rather than separate drop-in zones, and if it focused on new zones to explore rather than the boring Hero's song quest at the end, my opinion on it would probably be completely different even if nothing else was changed.

As-is it sacrifices too much that I like about the series and squanders the tradeoff.
 

Efejota

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I saw a breakdown saying that the starting wallet appears larger, and there's a free camera based on some shots, but they admitted both of these could just be because of a dev mode for the trailer.
I'm hoping they allow us to start the game with 3 hearts this time to make it a bit harder. They could let us improve the heart medallion to compensate for them or something like that.
 

Watershed

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Oct 26, 2017
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I predict there will be hero mode available from the start and some QoL changes. But I don't think right stick camera controls are in or any other significant changes. Hopefully they tone down the collectathon for story progression stuff.
 

Phendrift

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For consumers these kind of releases aren't the best. New play control were 19.99, this is 59.99

That is an huge price hike. I don't think anyone should be happy with that….
We arent "happy" with it, but it's been repeated ad nauseum on this forum with every port Nintendo does. There's no point to it anymore, it brings no valuable discussion
 

KalBalboa

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Nintendo's made plenty of newer games for Switch now, what are you talking about?

They have also made countless ports, don't be daft (=

It's become a joke how many ports they've been putting out for full-tier pricing.

It's a fair thing to criticize Nintendo porting a Wii game for $60 when Microsoft and Sony have been making varying degrees of efforts to make upscales and frame rate improvements free.

We should feel free to criticize Nintendo for this without fanboy backlash.
If you have zero critical eye for Nintendo, no matter what they do, then please don't bother trying to engage in a discussion with me.
 

Efejota

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The opening is one of the things I remember the most about this game. It sets a good tone.

Once I got down to the surface world it felt like the whole game went downwards.


This is the feeling I have about Skyward Sword right now.


LOL. YES!

I still have the soundtrack CD, it was the best thing about the game. Sold the rest.
That golden Wiimote is great. I had a fear of using it at first because the paint might get dull or cracked but guess what: I have been using it for almost 10 years as my main Wii controller and it still looks as good as the first day, unlike the original white one that got worse from the use in those 4 years. And I'd say they probably have the same hours of use already, even if Skyward came out at the end of the Wii's lifespan.
 

julian

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If you dont agree with the price, just dont buy the game. Or buy it when its on sale or a used copy. I dont get these complaints.
Yeah, I've never understood price complaints like this. If it's for a limited time item like the Mario collection, sure, that's one thing (though it's been consistently on sale for months), but this? Just wait for a sale. There is no reason you MUST play a remaster of a 10 year old game immediately when it comes out. If people think it's too pricy, it goes on sale or gets a price drop.
 

KalBalboa

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Yeah, I've never understood price complaints like this. If it's for a limited time item like the Mario collection, sure, that's one thing (though it's been consistently on sale for months), but this? Just wait for a sale. There is no reason you MUST play a remaster of a 10 year old game immediately when it comes out. If people think it's too pricy, it goes on sale or gets a price drop.

I think it's fair game to see something you feel is overpriced and say "Hey, this is overpriced."

I don't think it's fair game to say "Hush hush" to price complaints.
 

Dice

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Awesome. I'm actually interested in trying the motion controls again, but it'll be nice to have the button alternative

Hoping for those obvious QoL improvements, too. Should be a lay-up for Nintendo but they often miss those.

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lol TBH I remember thinking the Wii-mote bundle was RIDICULOUSLY good value even at the time. 😂

And the market dictates this shit. No way Nintendo will "play nice" when it knows it can get some top dollar out of this. That's...just business, and we enable it. 🤷‍♀️


Perfect lol
 

louisacommie

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I've been infamous in some circles for saying skyward sword is a better game then twilight princess and the 2nd weakest 3d zelda as opposed to the worst


The thing is I have never replayed skyward sword since 2012


So the last time I have played this game was when I was 14, I remember having a good time

I remember liking the dungeons


But I can never imagine replaying skyward sword, well atleast not without back in time glitching over some sections



I did replay twilight princess on wii u as I was able to get it dor free, and I liked the dungeons but there where so many sections that I disliked

And that's a problem that is worse in skyward sword

It has so many sections I would never want to replay.


Ofcourse in order to reevaluate my opinion and ranking of the game I would have to replay it for the 1st time in 9 years but god I really dont want to
 

Phendrift

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If you dont agree with the price, just dont buy the game. Or buy it when its on sale or a used copy. I dont get these complaints.
I get why people are mad but I don't get the need to bring it up every time nintendo announces a new port. You aren't changing anything by complaining on ERA, just derailing thread after thread. We know it's going to be $60, no need to feign surprise and go through the same cycle over and over.

ERA has a "we must never be quiet about gaming injustice" attitude that implies that they're just sitting back and taking a corporations "mistreatment" unless they bring up the same issues over and over as if they're making a difference.

I get it for social issues, but for stuff like the price of a game, which Nintendo has clearly gone through lots of market analysis for doing, resetera.com is not going to make a difference lol.
 

StevieP

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They have also made countless ports, don't be daft (=

It's become a joke how many ports they've been putting out for full-tier pricing.

It's a fair thing to criticize Nintendo porting a Wii game for $60 when Microsoft and Sony have been making varying degrees of efforts to make upscales and frame rate improvements free.

We should feel free to criticize Nintendo for this without fanboy backlash.
If you have zero critical eye for Nintendo, no matter what they do, then please don't bother trying to engage in a discussion with me.

How did those free ps3 upgraded games play on your ps4? Oh, you mean they didnt due to a different architecture? And they remastered some instead? I see. Interesting.
 

KalBalboa

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How did those free ps3 upgraded games play on your ps4? Oh, you mean they didnt due to a different architecture? And they remastered some instead? I see. Interesting.

Dude. Sony made a handful of free PS3 to PS4 ports and then made virtually every PS4 game work on PS5. Some of them even run at 4k 60 now for free.

Nintendo is charging $50-60 for Wii U ports to the Switch.

Sony and Microsoft had made numerous ports, remasters, and BC efforts over the last 2 gens that are free-to-not full price. I can point to any number of remasters, ports, remakes from them that required substantially more effort than what Skyward Sword Switch looks to be, and frequently they were free or $30/40. Microsoft in particular is amazing at this.

Don't console-war drivel this up, please.
 

StevieP

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Dude. Sony made a handful of free PS3 to PS4 ports and then made virtually every PS4 game work on PS5. Some of them even run at 4k 60 now for free.

Sony and Microsoft had made numerous ports, remasters, and BC efforts over the last 2 gens that are free-to-not full price. I can point to any number of remasters, ports, remakes from them that required substantially more effort than what Skyward Sword Switch looks to be, and frequently they were free or $30/40. Microsoft in particular is amazing at this.

Don't console-war drivel this up, please.

That's not console wars. Ps4 - ps5 is understandable. It's an upgrade on the same uarch, which is why enhanced BC is possible and expected. And I'd be royally pissed if an nvidia-powered Switch 2 didn't play my switch games (and hopefully at better framerates and resolutions too). But the switch vs the Wii is similar to the ps3 - ps4. Wii games do not run natively on switch. The Wii U is the "free Nintendo BC" console that you're referring to, as was the Wii with GC. As was the 3ds with ds, as was the ds with GBA etc. The switch was a clean break for something much more modern, and as a result you're getting these ports. The discussion of price is something that neither you or I is going to change, so either you accept it and buy it or you don't.

Edit: I was going to bring up something like the last of us, which was also criticized, but the poster below did that.
 

julian

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I think it's fair game to see something you feel is overpriced and say "Hey, this is overpriced."

I don't think it's fair game to say "Hush hush" to price complaints.
Who did I tell to hush hush?

Dude. Sony made a handful of free PS3 to PS4 ports and then made virtually every PS4 game work on PS5. Some of them even run at 4k 60 now for free.

Sony and Microsoft had made numerous ports, remasters, and BC efforts over the last 2 gens that are free-to-not full price. I can point to any number of remasters, ports, remakes from them that required substantially more effort than what Skyward Sword Switch looks to be, and frequently they were free or $30/40. Microsoft in particular is amazing at this.

Don't console-war drivel this up, please.
Don't rewrite history here. They rereleased Last of Us for $60 the next year at the same time the Wii U had 99% BC. There were a very small handful of purchases that transferred from PS3 to PS4 and claiming otherwise is complete bullshit.
 

KalBalboa

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Don't rewrite history here. They rereleased Last of Us for $60 the next year at the same time the Wii U had 99% BC. There were a very small handful of purchases that transferred from PS3 to PS4 and claiming otherwise is complete bullshit.

The Last of Us for PS4 had additional content ($15 story DLC), improved visuals/assets, double FPS, higher resolution, and it was $50.
 

dabri

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Anyone know when Amazon is expected to list the joy-cons for preorder? I missed bestbuy and gamestop. Would like to preorder these those.
 
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As annoying as I find it, I would probably agree to the idea that actively getting angry about this is kind of fruitless as this kind of practice is not likely to change unless they have 2 or 3 major flops doing the same thing. even then they might still carry on depending on small their investment is. This will likely sell a few million copies as evidenced by a zelda branded game in a niche genre selling four million and other remasters with limited changes doing well very well too. but indifference seems not enough too so idk what the best way to feel about this is.
 

KalBalboa

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As annoying as I find it, I would probably agree to the idea that actively getting angry about this is kind of fruitless as this kind of practice is not likely to change during this year or until they have 2 or 3 major flops doing the same thing. This will likely sell a few million copies as evidenced by a zelda branded game in a niche genre selling four million and other remasters with limited changes doing well very well too. but indifference seems not enough too so idk what the best way to feel about this is.

I think the key takeway is to not defend or apologize for it.
 

julian

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Ah, now I must be "sad" and stupid for criticizing Nintendo for charging $60 for the port. Sorry you got something concretely wrong.

I think we're done here.
No, you're sad for console warring and arguing how great Sony was for letting me play a handful of PS3 games on my PS4 as if it was some great point that served any purpose or wasn't some insane rewrite of history. You literally had to ignore half of my very short post to make your argument.

Also, rereading your Last of Us point is funny since this port also doubles the frame rate and improves the visuals and adds some QOL features, but I wouldn't say that means it's worth $60 just like I wouldn't say it made the Last of Us on PS4 worth $60 either. In fact, I didn't think it was worth $60, yet you have no issue defending it in your post.
 

Alvis

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the thing is, skyward sword had the exact same problem. so if they can solve it for that i'd hope they can solve it for them.

wind waker hd has an additional problem, which is that the upgraded lighting is probably more demanding on the GPU than the gamecube style lighting.
I'm sure WWHD can run at 60 FPS anyways. Remember that it was already 1080p on Wii U, not 720p. At worst they can offer a choice between higher resolution or 60 FPS. But I doubt it'll be a problem. The lighting might be demanding, but that's it. It still uses Gamecube assets.
 

KalBalboa

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Never realized that a portion of nintendo diehard fans are such free market apologists

It's good for the ignore list, I s'pose.

When you see things like Gears of War Ultimate or The Uncharted Collection for like $30/40, followed by things like all the Xbox ecosystem BC and "free remaster" stuff, not to mention the 60fps/4K PS4-to-PS5 patches, it just begs the question why on Earth folks could die on a hill for $60 Wii/Wii U no-frills ports.

Going back to the PS3-to-PS4 transition, I can point to any number of remasters/ports that collected multiple games or included pay DLC, new assets, etc, and those games usually had serious effort-on-display like Halo CE Anniversary, Crash trilogy, or Shadow of the Colossus (for like $30-50). That Tony Hawk 1+2 collection just came out and it was $40 for a ground-up remake of two games.

This seems as bare bones as the Mario Sunshine/Galaxy efforts, and those were part of a 3-game collection at least.
 
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maximumzero

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Dude. Sony made a handful of free PS3 to PS4 ports and then made virtually every PS4 game work on PS5. Some of them even run at 4k 60 now for free.

Nintendo is charging $50-60 for Wii U ports to the Switch.

Sony and Microsoft had made numerous ports, remasters, and BC efforts over the last 2 gens that are free-to-not full price. I can point to any number of remasters, ports, remakes from them that required substantially more effort than what Skyward Sword Switch looks to be, and frequently they were free or $30/40. Microsoft in particular is amazing at this.

Don't console-war drivel this up, please.

As someone that owned and loved the Wii U, this generation has certainly been a bit of a downer as it certainly feels like a third-to-half of Nintendo's first party software has been re-warmed leftovers from their previous platform.

Yeah, yeah, I get the "lol nobody owned the Wii U" argument, but I can only speak for myself.
 
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CesareNorrez

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We are still having the same arguments about Nintendo's pricing policies. It has done nothing except inflate egos and actively derail discussion about the games, discouraging others to participate.

I would love for Nintendo to price their games at a level where I can afford to buy everything I want. It sucks I have to pick and choose and wind up missing out on some games because of Nintendo's stubbornness to make all the money. And it sucks that their instinct on prices keeps being rewarded, and that includes by me.

Bringing up other companies and how they are more "fair" doesn't push the discussion along any further either. Nintendo has a value that Activision simply does not. Once again, thanks to Nintendo's continued policies. And refusing to buy their games doesn't even matter. They can bomb out like they did with the Wii U and still wind up having those games hold their value. Some artists, franchises, and brands just have this cache that lets them get away with it.
 

Zool

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We arent "happy" with it, but it's been repeated ad nauseum on this forum with every port Nintendo does. There's no point to it anymore, it brings no valuable discussion
Yes it does. Stop talking about things like these won't make it any better. We need to keep on talking about this.

Heck, it's even getting worse with this Wii port, being waaaaay more expensive.
 

.exe

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Nobody can stop me from complaining about Nintendo'a awful pricing, deal with itttt 😸

It sucks and it demands repeating as long as it continues. There's an ignore list for you folks who get hot and bothered about it.
 

Xun

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As someone that owned and loved the Wii U, this generation has certainly been a bit of a downer as it certainly feels like a third-to-half of Nintendo's first party software has been re-warmed leftovers from their previous platform.

Yeah, yeah, I get the "lol nobody owned the Wii U" argument, but I can't only speak for myself.
I really adore the Switch but I fully agree.

For Nintendo games the Switch is a disappointment as a Wii U owner, most definitely.
 

DongBeetle

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Nobody can stop me from complaining about Nintendo'a awful pricing, deal with itttt 😸

It sucks and it demands repeating as long as it continues. There's an ignore list for you folks who get hot and bothered about it.
The issue is a large amount of people make their product purchases a part of their identity. So by criticizing the company, many people automatically take it as you attacking them personally lol I can't imagine being a corporate cheerleader for a multimillion dollar stone cold corporation that doesn't give a shit about me
 

KalBalboa

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We arent "happy" with it, but it's been repeated ad nauseum on this forum with every port Nintendo does. There's no point to it anymore, it brings no valuable discussion

What would qualify as "valuable discussion" then? Positive-only posts regarding Nintendo? Praising Nintendo for being the irrefutable worst at recycling content & BC? The sticker price is hard to ignore. Pricing is constantly discussed on Era for good reason.

This is what I'm getting at with the "hush hush" thing. If you want to live in a bubble, hit the ignore button.
 

jokkir

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I don't see the gyro controls working too well if Taiko Drums is anything to go by for any precise gyro controls
 

ManNR

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As someone that owned and loved the Wii U, this generation has certainly been a bit of a downer as it certainly feels like a third-to-half of Nintendo's first party software has been re-warmed leftovers from their previous platform.

Yeah, yeah, I get the "lol nobody owned the Wii U" argument, but I can only speak for myself.

Conversely, as someone who fell out of gaming during the Wii & WiiU eras, I am enjoying all these games I missed.

Definitely understand the frustration for those who invested heavily before.
 

Phendrift

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What would qualify as "valuable discussion" then? Positive-only posts regarding Nintendo? Praising Nintendo for being the irrefutable worst at recycling content & BC? The sticker price is hard to ignore. Pricing is constantly discussed on Era for good reason.

This is what I'm getting at with the "hush hush" thing. If you want to live in a bubble, hit the ignore button.
I mean, what else is there to discuss about the price?

We could talk about new content the game could be getting, improvements they could make, the base game in general, how it could fare in a post BotW-world.

But instead the thread is caught in a price discussion- something that talking about won't change, something that's been discussed ad nauseum for every port they've released. What are you hoping to change? Are you hoping to tell others who want the game not to get it because of the price? I get "is it worth it for this price?" Discussions/recommendations. I think that's valid. But whining about it over and over doesn't really make sense to me. It's not interesting to talk about, it's not productive in terms of Nintendo isn't going to look back on this thread and change their mind about the global scale market analysis they conducted that led them to this price.
 
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